Limited Pro stock rules..... Get a clue you guys! Ok Guys.... Here's the problem... Why change the Pro stock class? Why change the superfarm class??? It seems everyone that comments on this has their own agenda when they comment. So What's wrong here, why does everyone have a solution to fix each and every class, that still seems to cost every puller out there money! Plus, i don't think many of you have done a whole lot of research on this, to know that your "fixes" would cost pullers a ton of money, and flood Mr. Morgans classified sections with parts none of us would be able to get rid of because they wouldn't fit anyones application... If you want to keep the cost of the LPS class down... it's simple... You put a 3.5x3.5 inlet and outlet slug on the turbo... Just like the NTPA Profarm class rules, only you make the slug 3.5x3.5..... It's that simple... If you guys have any clue, you would realize that the slug will keep the super expensive turbo's out of the class, and keep the turbo more affordable..... I've saw these profarm tractors on the dyno, with 466's in them, and change turbo's from a cheap 800 dollar S-4 with the slugs on, to a GT42 w/no slugs, to a columbus billet wheel superfarm turbo with and without slugs, and not hardly see the HP change at all..... I've also saw guys try to run 4.1's with slugs on them on the dyno, and they actually performed way way way worse than the S-4 turbo... What i'm trying to show you is, let's cut some of the cost's, and keep the manufacturer out of building expensive turbo's, and taking the money out of our pockets here. With a simple 20 dollars you can build yourself the 2 slugs you need, and you can run any turbo you want.... The smart guy goes out with 2 or 3 800-1500 dollar turbo's and spends 500 at the dyno, and tests them... Finds out which cheap turbo works, and pulls with it... Those expensive 4.3 intake turbo's, or 4.5's won't be any better than a 3.7 when you are running 3.5 slugs on the turbo.... NO seals needed like the sf class (especially when they are taken apart by many guys, and tinkered with anyways) and it takes less than 3 minutes to tech a guy who has the slugs on his tractor... There's your fix to the turbo problem.... Keeps the cost down, and lets YOU still choose which turbo you want to run... Your not limited to buying this one or that one, or buying from this shop or that shop... YOU get the turbo you want, which will more than likely cost you under 2000 dollars.... The Cubic inch limit... keep it simple... Leave the superfarms alone.. there's alread 100 of these darn things out there... Leave them alone... The profarm class is 466... leave that alone... Just build the LPS class at 540 or 600.... You can get to either Cube limit without having to stroke a crank, and with the 3.5 slug limit on the turbo, you shouldn't need billet cranks yet at that point anyways... If your going to call it Limited Prostock... Then give it some limits... Limits that separate it and differientiate it from other classes... Your making a NEW CLASS... Not CHANGING OTHERS! So build this class, and leave the other classes alone... If the superfarms, Pro stocks, and Profarms were broken, then change them and fix them... They aren't... There are plenty of numbers in them... Is there bitching in them? yes... And there are issues in the classes.. but there's also bitching in every class, and problems in every class... so leave them alone, and build a new limited pro class... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19328#msg-19328 Fri, 04 Sep 2026 13:43:21 -0700 Phorum 5.2.23 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19852#msg-19852 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19852#msg-19852 so george Pulling Forum Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:00:39 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19848#msg-19848 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19848#msg-19848
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not a real tractor[quote then I guess all of those tractors made before the dsl revolution don't count. It continually amazes me how a group of people can't see the hypocrisy of there statements. I love the smoke but with certain combinations the spark plugs just make more sense. I wouldn't have a problem with dsl only but there are already tractors running in the classes that are not dsl. So it either needs to be legal or illegal not grandfathered, Grandfathering now there is a rule that only allows certain tractors.
]]> ol George Pulling Forum Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:41:05 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19843#msg-19843 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19843#msg-19843 not important Pulling Forum Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:42:59 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19687#msg-19687 Re: Dear new reader... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19687#msg-19687 Doug Voth Pulling Forum Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:50:50 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19674#msg-19674 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19674#msg-19674 Color Man Pulling Forum Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:16:12 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19671#msg-19671 Re: Dear new reader... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19671#msg-19671
On the gas and l.p. side of the coin the company made 425, 451, 504 gas and l.p. 6 cyl, engines along with the enfamous 605 and 800 stationary motors. The gas heads on the 6cyl engines can pretty well intermingle, with mild modifications. The plus side to the gas heads, is they are good flowing heads. Someone may say otherwise, but it is my understanding you don't have to run the boost pressure to make the gas motor run. This would obviously help with the weak bottom end and crank case. Thus POSSIBLY making the MM gas motor a viable competition engine. I like my minnies. I love to see them go down the track when I get a chance, "if they make it down the track?" I know that comment sounds a little harsh, but most MM guys know very well the pains in making one of them run in a turbo charged class.

Finally, back to the issue at hand. Gas L.P. allowance, or Diesel only? I don't think that alcohol is a fair fuel for the limited pro, or any new small cube class. However, I think the fans would be rewarded with a good show with the allowance of stock fuel as competion fuel. Also other bonusses with alowing the gas or L.P fuels, maybe an influx of the number of folks willing to then move into light, or heavy super stock. It seems every one has always worried about feeder classes for Pro stock, but what about feeder classes for anything else, I think if these classes were to be diesel only, it would be an opportunity lost for these builder type classes and a lost oportunity for a good show for the fans. As said before, the number of these large displacement tractors was small. This is true, so how many of them do you really think would show up in competition. probably not many, and only a select few would be highly competitive. The main numbers are still going to be red and green and blow smoke, and all this would do is possibly spur some other color in the class, and yes, it would be primarilly yellow, but NOT exclusively yellow. It may be of interest to watch the Pro's out in I believe it is Ohio this year to see if there rule change will bring any new iron to the track, I think it was on this site a while back that there was a thread about that rule change, someone correct me if I'm wrong.]]> ITPApuller2 Pulling Forum Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:47:56 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19647#msg-19647 Re: Limited Pro stock rules..... Get a clue you guys! http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19647#msg-19647 knower Pulling Forum Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:58:56 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19639#msg-19639 Re: Dear new reader... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19639#msg-19639 I have read the post from doug v 6 times and don't understand it. Is Mark C. allowed to run more cubes? I not understanding. A diesel minni with only 4 main bearings would not hold up to good on diesel with a large charger and I could be mistaken do they have a direct injection head?
And why would you want to spend all the money to bore and stroke it to 640 when it comes 504 or some thing like that seems like throwing good money after bad money????? IF you can build a 585 to 640 and run Superfarm or Prostock on diesel then what are you waiting for?? I am not aginst a mix of stock fueled tractors that would add the Praire Gold color and it is not wel represented above farm stock N/A no cube limit classes.
But a lower cubic inch may help in betting more other fueled models in If im mistaken correct me but Minni was the only one to make Large non diesel tractors?? But a limited prostock JD D would be neat LOL.]]> fordtractorpuller Pulling Forum Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:18:45 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19633#msg-19633 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19633#msg-19633 Anonymous User Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:58:57 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19630#msg-19630 Re: Dear new reader... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19630#msg-19630 Doug Voth Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:43:01 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19629#msg-19629 Re: another big cube heavy diesel only class ??? when it comes to computer pullers jake takes the cake http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19629#msg-19629 Doug Voth Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:25:43 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19628#msg-19628 Dear new reader... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19628#msg-19628
Why do I think the NTPA LPS should be 640? The goal of the NTPA LPS class is to weed down the SF class. It’s not really a new class despite what people may think, it’s just a way to split the class up and thin out the numbers. That’s why I think the LPS should stay at 640 with a 4.1, because it’s not really a new class, just the same old class re-badged with a little more power. If the rules go to 540 or even 600 you aren’t going to thin down the SF class one bit.

My other problem with LPS is there are half a dozen variations of classes that call themselves LPS. Of all those versions the East Coast Series has the best rules, but I’ve got real mixed feelings about the A-pump. The class the NTPA is proposing is called LPS, but really it’s just SF on steroids, it’s not a new class, just a split of a current class. Honestly the name LPS just opens a whole can of worms and really sums up what a mess this motorsport is in.

What I really care about much more than the LPS class is starting an actual true new class, a class that is not just a SF in wolfs clothing, but a small cubic inch single charger diesel class. Read my proposed rules for Light Super Farm and Light Pro Stock (search this page for: Light Super Farm or Light Pro Stock). Those rules (or something similar) are where I see the future of this motorsport. Those are the types of classes that will take pulling into the future.

As for stock fuel, again… rules should benefit the whole class and not a select group or color. The rules should be written to address the greater good and not the special interest minority. Rules that cater to the select minority are how we got in this 640-680 cubic inch mess in the first place. Rules that cater to one brand because they built big LPG tractors are just unfair as a 680 rule.]]> Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:19:42 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19627#msg-19627 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19627#msg-19627 Doug Voth Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:10:20 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19626#msg-19626 where you at bart. come on come on this is right up your alley http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19626#msg-19626 hehe Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:09:46 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19625#msg-19625 Re: I love sparkplugs... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19625#msg-19625 Doug Voth Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:07:36 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19624#msg-19624 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19624#msg-19624 patches Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:45:00 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19622#msg-19622 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19622#msg-19622 Anonymous User Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:36:27 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19616#msg-19616 another big cube heavy diesel only class ??? when it comes to computer pullers jake takes the cake http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19616#msg-19616 needed to be said Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:06:49 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19613#msg-19613 Re: I love sparkplugs... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19613#msg-19613 whatever Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:05:44 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19612#msg-19612 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19612#msg-19612 Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:05:07 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19611#msg-19611 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19611#msg-19611 tape measure Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:51:09 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19610#msg-19610 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19610#msg-19610 ol George Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:44:18 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19606#msg-19606 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19606#msg-19606 Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:49:19 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19605#msg-19605 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19605#msg-19605 Thanks Chuck]]> chucky Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:29:52 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19597#msg-19597 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19597#msg-19597 large tractors for LPG or Gasoline. The rule would only benefit one brand, and I’m not in favor of any rules that benefit a single brand or an extreme minority. Moline made plenty of diesel tractors as did EVERY other manufacturer.

As for diesel tractors being 10 to 1 that’s actually not really fair to the diesel tractors, the manufacturing ratio of large diesel tractors vs. all other fuel types is probably more like 100 to 1 or even 1,000 or 10,000 to 1 so the sparkplug tractors are already more than fairly represented with their current classes.

The LLSS is the perfect single charger class for stock fuels.

The Limited Pro Stock class should be a diesel only class.]]> Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:41:41 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19590#msg-19590 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19590#msg-19590 TWOTONE Pulling Forum Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:05:42 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19540#msg-19540 Re: I love sparkplugs...thay cant stand spark plugs http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19540#msg-19540 dont you worry Pulling Forum Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:27:48 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19530#msg-19530 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19530#msg-19530 llss puller Pulling Forum Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:30:41 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19526#msg-19526 Re: Limited Pro Stock http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19526#msg-19526 j rand Pulling Forum Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:41:04 -0700 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19510#msg-19510 Re: I love sparkplugs... http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,19328,19510#msg-19510 doug V. Pulling Forum Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:33:04 -0700