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V8 puller
The curve everybody wanted ti flatten was based on bogus numbers ( the 2.2 million deaths that were predicted) and the only place the medical field was over run was in New York and maybe parts of California. Other place there's been plenty od beds, ventilators and ppe available. Turn off the MSM.

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Jake Morgan

That's one of the biggest unknowns we have right now, will we ever become naturally immune? I'm guessing No (but that's just a guess). There are a growing numbers of cases where people are contracting the virus a second time. Those people were positive, recovered, and have tested negative for a month and a half. Then they have re-contracted the virus and tested positive again. There's also a growing number of cases where people are unable to clear the virus from their system at all. They've continued to test positive for months and have been living in complete isolation for months for fear of spreading the contagion. Months... alone... isolated... Not "locked down" with their family but still able to go to the grocery store... or for walks... or play in their yards... months of solitary confinement with a hope that they test negative at some point

We don't even know yet if you will fight it off in a similar fashion the second time or if your bodies response different? Will your body handle it better? or will your body handle it worse? We just don't have enough data yet.

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plum krazy
but don't you think it needs to run it's natural course, no vaccine for a some what long time for sure,staying home now just delays the outbreak til later???? We need to get immune from contacting the virus.

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The Original Michael

Once again the article doesn't prove Sweden is doing better, it proves it is doing much worse.
Texas Population 30,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 543
Sweden population 10,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 1937

Massachusetts Population 6.9 million, deaths 1961 (and not updated for 4/22 as of this post)
New Jersey Population 8.9 million, deaths 5063
Michigan Population 10 million, deaths 2813.

See, I can also pull stats without context. The 3 states I listed have more restrictive guidelines in place than Texas. Maybe they should ease up. Is that your message?

The actual article does not "prove" what you claim it does. I would ask you to read the other article linked to from Wired, the one demonstrating that states without a lockdown are not faring worse than states with lockdowns. That article also references Sweden, and includes this paragraph comparing Sweden to other European countries.

there is very little evidence that Sweden has become an unlivable Covid-19 hotbed. As of 17 April, Sweden’s Covid-19 statistics were: 13,216 total cases, 1,400 total deaths, 1,309 cases per million and 139 deaths per million. In terms of cases per million residents, Sweden ranks slightly ahead of its close neighbours, Denmark (1,221) and Norway (1,274). But in Europe as a whole, Sweden ranks 23rd in terms of cases per million and 10th in terms of deaths per million.

One other aspect referenced in the first article (Spectator article) about Sweden is estimates of a sizable % of their poplulation already has antibodies. As I understand the Swedish model, they took into account there would be some sickness and deaths, but they would also gain herd immunity quicker. The big picture is if Sweden is generally doing no worse than other countries without destroying their economy, then they would have made a reasonable decision. As (I think) Jake pointed out in another thread, we won't know whether they made the right call until a number of months have passed. Jake is right that at the moment, it's an interesting discussion topic (as is Gov. Kemp reopening Georgia).

I don't want to see people die from covid-19.... but I also don't want to see people die of other illnesses, suicides, and other fallout form lack of resources due to the shutting down of the economy. Everything has tradeoffs. At some point, the economic harm is going to overcome the virus harm, if it hasn't already started doing so.

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Once again the article doesn't prove Sweden is doing better, it proves it is doing much worse.
Texas Population 30,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 543
Sweden population 10,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 1937