Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2

Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 The NFMS a few years ago decided to combine the DSS and the 650 alcohol SS into one class. What was a great idea at the time has become the graveyard of the DSS class. What a disappointment to watch the DSS not make the call. It used to be that 40% of the DSS couldn't make the second session of a 2 day event, now at this event 50% couldn't make the first session. The cold weather I would have thought would favor the diesel over the alcohol tractors, it didn't. Something needs to be done to save this class, leadership needs to become leaders ( a person that makes the hard decisions ) and fix the class. Now before anyone says that I must dislike the class, quite the contrary I have always liked the class. That's why this down hill path is not enjoyable for me. Please fix the class before it's to late. On a side note I'm sure I will get a list of all the DSS tractors that are in the country, my question is when and where are they pulling? http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344507#msg-344507 Mon, 20 Apr 2026 09:22:30 -0700 Phorum 5.2.23 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344625#msg-344625 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344625#msg-344625
NTPA only had 5 venues for the HSS class in 2024 with Tomah and BG as 2 of the 5. NTPA only had 6 tractors make the full circuit with 2 being Chizek and 2 being Gansemer. So 66% of the class running the circuit were only 2 teams. This needs a serious discussion as to the viability of being considered a National Championship class .

As for the DSS class,... the elephant in the room that nobody wants to discuss is the Ross tractor,...it moved the bar on HP and lowered the bar on durability at the same time. So the rest of the class raised their own individual HP bars and then lowered their durability at the same time. These actions have been catastrophic overall to the class for parity and numbers of passes without a tow tractor being summoned several times during the class increased exponentially.

There is no answer for this class . It is what it is..

Now for the PS class it seems to be maintaining itself as for now with a recent influx of apparently big money guys that like the bought not built business model,..which is cool since we are still a free Constitutional Republic. The longevity of the class is in question as the bought not built mentality is basically,.. run it like there's unlimited part$ and labor and get all the likes on social media while fist pumping for the fans,...LOL. Time will only tell if the bought not built guys stay in it for the long run,...as they are still rather new as of the moment.B)-]]> heavy superstock/ps reality Pulling Forum Wed, 26 Feb 2025 14:13:15 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344609#msg-344609 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344609#msg-344609

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Jake Morgan

So which is it Dick, you said my idea of detuning them is stupid but yet the hyper block ruined the class....

My father never said detuning them was stupid. He never responded you your comment. I responded to your detuning comment. Also, I never said detuning them was stupid. I simply asked "What is the point of the class then? Why have a class with multi-turbos that has less horsepower than some single turbo classes?

It's a simple question and an honest question. I'm not saying detuning is dumb, I'm just asking why even bother with the class if you can make more power with a single charger.

Sorry for misunderstanding. The point is even at 4000 hp theyll put a good show on. They have a completely different sound than single charger class. With 30,5’s they look different than any single charger class. Plus maybe if they would actually stay together you might get more tractors back in it]]> MG1206 Pulling Forum Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:24:56 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344606#msg-344606 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344606#msg-344606

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Under_Pressure

IMO the idea of DSS needs to go away and it needs to just go back to HSS, diesel and alcohol together. The focus needs to be on saving SS period. It is one of the foundational classes of pulling- it has the longest history and actually offers something different from the endless parade of single-charger diesels and blown hemis. Pulling as a sport should make its survival and growth a point of emphasis, and that starts with realizing keeping the class split is benefitting no one.

Winner winner chicken dinner. You are 100% correct, sir.]]> The Original Michael Pulling Forum Wed, 26 Feb 2025 06:57:39 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344605#msg-344605 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344605#msg-344605
IMO the idea of DSS needs to go away and it needs to just go back to HSS, diesel and alcohol together. The focus needs to be on saving SS period. It is one of the foundational classes of pulling- it has the longest history and actually offers something different from the endless parade of single-charger diesels and blown hemis. Pulling as a sport should make its survival and growth a point of emphasis, and that starts with realizing keeping the class split is benefitting no one.]]> Under_Pressure Pulling Forum Wed, 26 Feb 2025 06:15:21 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344597#msg-344597 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344597#msg-344597 bbailey Pulling Forum Wed, 26 Feb 2025 04:17:19 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344596#msg-344596 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344596#msg-344596 Anderson Farms & Trucking Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 20:44:41 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344595#msg-344595 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344595#msg-344595

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Anderson Farms & Trucking
Patches I'm right there with ya, I remember back in the early 90s when I had my D21 " Titty Sqeezin Fool " , it was competitive, those were the fun days and you didn't have to spend a small fortune. IMO those were the best of times when the Super Stock classes were 5500lbs -- 7500lbs -- 9500lbs.

is remember your tractor well.in my opinion the best,most exciting tractor,the one people in the stands were rooting for was brian shramek youngblood.people didn't give a hoot who brian shramek is,didn't care anything about him as a person.they people that love the sport were in love with youngblood,simply because it used a real allis chalmers block under the hood.they were rooting for him,and at the same time rooting against hyper blocks.same thing in pros with cope against the recast ih and deere blocks..if the massey guys had a readily available Perkins block and half a dozen of them could work together and share data the deere and ih reign of pro would be over in 1 winter.the v8 architecture would dominate]]> patches Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 20:35:11 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344590#msg-344590 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344590#msg-344590

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Jake Morgan
The list Brent Yaron posted sure looks impressive on paper.... BUT.... How many of these Diesel Supers could beat a top tier Light Pro at even weight (8000lbs)? Thirty? Twenty Five? Twenty? How many could beat a Pro Stock at 8000lbs? Fifteen? Ten? Five?

There are more than several on that list that would be 50-100' behind a top running DSS on a power track. But put all of those outdated or overpowered older DSS in the same class against each other and you would have a very entertaining class! There was a time when the Outlaws had two tiers of diesel supers that ran exactly like that.]]> Face in crowd Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:58:47 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344589#msg-344589 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344589#msg-344589 mc Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:19:04 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344587#msg-344587 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344587#msg-344587

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MG1206
So which is it Dick, you said my idea of detuning them is stupid but yet the hyper block ruined the class....

My father never said detuning them was stupid. He never responded you your comment. I responded to your detuning comment. Also, I never said detuning them was stupid. I simply asked "What is the point of the class then? Why have a class with multi-turbos that has less horsepower than some single turbo classes?

It's a simple question and an honest question. I'm not saying detuning is dumb, I'm just asking why even bother with the class if you can make more power with a single charger.]]> Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 18:00:23 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344584#msg-344584 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344584#msg-344584 The Original Michael Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:46:03 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344582#msg-344582 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344582#msg-344582 .anymore a dss isn't far from switching to another class,what other choice do they have? Cause the ntpa sure isnt/hasn't done a dam thing to keep dss at the top of the pecking order.they chose the pros when ss split.plain and simple]]> patches Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:34:00 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344581#msg-344581 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344581#msg-344581 lewis c Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:29:40 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344580#msg-344580 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344580#msg-344580 Money man Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:28:49 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344579#msg-344579 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344579#msg-344579 Anonymous Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:16:25 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344578#msg-344578 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344578#msg-344578 Peter T. Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:11:21 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344575#msg-344575 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344575#msg-344575

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Dick Morgan
I agree, that and ridiculous cubic inches. Once again total lack of leadership.

So which is it Dick, you said my idea of detuning them is stupid but yet the hyper block ruined the class. You do realize without after market blocks there wouldn’t be a class over 3000 hp. Super stocks has always been a class of 8-10 elite tractors then a bunch of others that run older not update equipment just out having fun is the nicest way I can put it. For whatever reason people are willing to spend more on pros than supers]]> MG1206 Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:56:52 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344573#msg-344573 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344573#msg-344573
What is the point of the Superstock class then? Why have a class with multi-turbos that has less horsepower than some single turbo classes?]]> Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:49:17 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344572#msg-344572 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344572#msg-344572 Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:46:51 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344570#msg-344570 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344570#msg-344570 Pterosaur's T. Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 16:03:06 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344569#msg-344569 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344569#msg-344569 mc Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:47:36 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344568#msg-344568 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344568#msg-344568 ... Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:43:43 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344566#msg-344566 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344566#msg-344566

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MG1206
Detune them 1000 hp so they’ll live and go down the track. Lighten the sled up and it’ll appear to be the same show.

What is the point of the class then? Why have a class with multi-turbos that has less horsepower than some single turbo classes?]]> Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 13:54:57 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344565#msg-344565 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344565#msg-344565
How many would be able to run in a pulloff against the Light Pro or Pro Stock? Half?

The Diesel Super currently has about a dozen tractors at or near the top tier, sadly you NEVER see them all at any one event.

As for the Alcohol side of the equation? What are the dyno numbers compared with five years ago? How about ten? Are they making many advancements in power?]]> Jake Morgan Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 13:53:19 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344556#msg-344556 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344556#msg-344556 Anderson Farms & Trucking Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:44:14 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344555#msg-344555 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344555#msg-344555 Dick Morgan Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:41:49 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344551#msg-344551 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344551#msg-344551 patches Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 07:05:11 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344546#msg-344546 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344546#msg-344546 OG Pulling Forum Tue, 25 Feb 2025 05:30:07 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344542#msg-344542 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344542#msg-344542 MG1206 Pulling Forum Mon, 24 Feb 2025 21:15:03 -0800 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344538#msg-344538 Re: Some observations from the NFMS. Part 2 http://www.pulloff.com/phorum/read.php?2,344507,344538#msg-344538

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Wyatt Schulte
8 is pretty low for how many good ones are in there. I could count double digits of good running supers

And if they all apply and pull at the NFMS then that's one thing, but until they do, it's time to get rid of it at that event. Too many other deserving classes.]]> Stick a fork in it Pulling Forum Mon, 24 Feb 2025 19:30:49 -0800