09:12:10pm, Monday, December 08, 2025
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was bg good or bad
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why
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bg is the biggest pull but nobody is talking much about it. what gives? |
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some goofy stuff
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, Why do they run the diesel supers 2 nights, the lite supers should switch with the diesel supers and run an night session. Why do the run the light and open supers in the same session and at the SAME time,,,dumb, dumb. why run the diesel supers and the Pro Stocks at the same time. Run one track with mods, or trucks and one track with tractors. to many announcers and not enough good ones. I don't care if you are a blue shirt, if you can't announce and don't know anything about the sport don't announce. where is the light unlimited. why 22 prostocks in the pulloff with the NTPAs great 320 rule, how about a 350 rule. to fast on some sled resets and to slow on some. show ran tooooo loooong |
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I wasn't at BG but I have been involved with and around pulling 30+ years. When and why did the Full Pull go from 300 to 320? Whats the point of a "floating finish" and going longer makes no sense either. Get back to basics, FP is 300ft and shut her down, eliminator operators should set up for it and everyone is in the same boat.
Unless I missed something sled operators who are skilled should be able to set up the eliminator to stop the tractors by 300ft or close to it and yet provide enough leeway for a few tractors to end up in a "Pull off" but hearing about 22 tractors in a pull off at BG is absolutely dumb. How many tractors where in the class? 40 or more so your rerunning over half the entire class, thats wrong, period! Dont even give me any of this "Fans get more for theor money stuff". The fans would get much more out of a 5-6 tractor pull off then 22. And I totally agree that if your running two tracks that one track should be running smoke and the other a modified class, never both lanes running diesel tractors at same time. People who are true fans dont understand whats going on and then they get bored with it. Just my .02 cents........Red712 |
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one timer
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sled are not as easy as people think |
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Registered: 07/14/2011 Posts: 59 |
Hi, One thing about sleds that peeves me is that if they would go back to having a weight box that actually did most of the work (after all, it IS called weight transfer sled) then the pulling would be better. I don't know how many times I've seen the box all the way up at the 250 foot mark but it hardly slows the tractor down, and then they slam the pan down and hope for the best... Lame. They might as well start with the sled at the 200 foot mark, with the box all the way up, and then drop the pan at the 250 mark and call it good! I think the sled builders need to go back to the drawing board and build a sled that actually transfers enough weight and not just "drop the anchor" at 275 ft. I think the way to go is to redesign the pan/grouser bars so that the sled is easy to get moving, then drop the pan somewhere around the 150 foot mark to load the tractors and then have the weight box finish the job. In other words, drop the pan first, before the box is all the way up and then let the weight box transfer weight to the pan and have it top out at maybe 290 and have the full pull at the traditional 300 feet. Also, I'm not a trained engineer but, wouldn't making the pan smaller make it harder to pull when the box moves up over it? At the same box weight, a smaller pan would have more weight per square foot and wouldn't that make it harder to pull (or maybe I should say make it easier to stop the tractor)? Later ....... Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2014 06:59PM by Little Wood Duck. |
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and
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and how does this post relate to BG? |
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holy cow at the misinformation
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wow there is some bad misinformation here. First off, the pan DOES drop on the sled way before 250 or 270 feet as Wood Duck stated. On most all sleds the pan will drop between 150-200 feet depending on track and what equipment is pulling. Then the box will top out sometime after that. Once the box tops out the PUSH DOWN is triggered and it pushes down on the pan. I can't believe how many people think a sled holds the pan up till the very end of the run and then slams it down all at once. That's just not accurate with any sled I've seen run in the past 20 years. Watch this video to see Bauer himself explain it:
video: [www.youtube.com] Red712, if you were at BG you would have known that out of the first 3 tractors in the Pro Stock class only one went over 300 feet and it was 301! So I'm sure the sled operator and all track officials thought it was a good setting. It's not like the first 3 blew it out past 320 and everyone said lets run it! So they thought they were making the right decision. Sometimes this isn't as cut and dry as it looks when we're at home keyboard pulling. |
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Fast puller
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You obviously have no idea how sleds work. One we would need two semis to haul enough weight to stop the classes. Plus the speed is what people want. Go back to 3 mph class is you don't like it. Very rarely does a sled slam on the pan. You have never actually watch the pan you have proved that by your statement. On a good sled the pan goes into floating mode around 150 to 200 feet. Then when the box tops out then the hydraulics slowly (not slamming) apply pressure. It s takes a couple of seconds for the whole pressure to get applied.
You want the sled easy to move but want more a heavier weight box. Well those to go together at all more weight equals a hard starting sled. A smaller pan equals a sled that can't stop as much and also makes the sled less stable at higher speeds. Sled designers don't need to go back to the drawing board you just need to stop being a keyboard puller |
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Registered: 09/04/2008 Posts: 278 |
I agree with everything Some Goofy Stuff Said !!! 100% |
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sledder
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Have any of you ever tried setting the sled? Sled operator has to read the the track as much or more than a puller. They don't set the sled for what the track looks like for the first hook. Between the operator and the competition director, they have to set the sled for what the think the track is going to do. The first 4 tractors ran and there was only one over 300 (at 301) their first guess is that it was probably a fuzz to tight. But as the night went on it proved that the track got a lot better than they were anticipating. You'll have this kind of thing especially when half the class are tractors that doesn't havehave quite as much snuff as the GN tractors do, it's hard to set the sled. You don't just throw some weight in and pick a gear. It's reading the track and deciding what is goi.g to happen as the night progresses. As far as all the things the Little Wood Duck Was talking about, all that stuff worked in the 70's and 80's when 20mph was plenty fast enough. Now that they are reaching speeds approaching 40mph the old sleds don't work well. It's more of a drag race now than a pull. Whoever gets the most speed has the moat momentum and will inturn be able to go farther. They are really only pulling to the point where the pan drops. Then it's all about how fast you were going. But every once in a while, on a really good track and on the right sled and setting that doesn't hammer them hard at the other end. You'll see a show where they are clawing and digging and actually dragging it out to the very end. Those are the nights the give you goosebumps. Last year in Wooster Ohio i believe Lowry was running the semis, winning distance was 360+ but they were hooking up and dragging it the last 40ft. It was one of those nights where the pulling iron was able to just grab a hold and the sleds just couldn't slow them down. Standing at the end of the track watching that night those trucks were working hard for the last 40 ft. If you think you can come up with a better design then go for it. I wish you luck. But the sleds have changed because the quality of the vehicles have changed. We aren't pulling SS that make 1800hp anymore. |
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Keep em Separated.
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Not all fans want to listen to blower motors while turbo'd tractors are running. I never liked the blower/turbo being run together., and have avoided pulls that run them at the same time. BG probably does that in response to their fans. I hope so. There was one year at BG where there were 40-45 TWD. They had problems changing the sled, and after most of the class was run they restarted it. It was announced that for the spectators enjoyment they were going to see all those TWD's rerun the entire class. The fans Booed. There's beautiful noise and there's obnoxious noise. My vote is to keep them separate. |
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JOHN
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It is a drag race,not a pull anymore when speeds are reaching mid thirties and more,most sleds can be a progressive power pull,but as fans we want to see hard charging speed,I pull also,but have many tractors,some fly,some poke along,some can do both,I like the variables,too many sleds"DROP THE PAN" on small light weight tractors,no need for that.When we have smokers with no smoke with 3000 plus HP,it takes some specialized equipment to do a good job.I have pulled the Blungart sleds which are awesome, progressive with the pan slowly coming down early with a nasty heavy hit after 300.Pulling has moved ahead,just like the world of electronics,no end in sight. |
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I was there and this is my thoughts. I didn't mind seeing that may pros but thats my favorite class. Always thought more weight and a slower box would be better but Baur has it the other way. The box always slams the top and makes a bad spot in the track. I missed the ticker tape going across to tell me the leaders and of course the announcers could be better. Don't expect them to know the pre hook guys but should know the gn guys. Over all a pretty good show with a few problems. But what shows perfect? |
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fan
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Havent been in years but i thought they used to have an announcer from michigan. Heard him several times and he was very good at keeping the crowd informed. Maybe his name was Hartsell. Not sure if that was him but the guy was good at his gig. |
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Pllnfn
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I agree. It's better to be able to hear the tractors running. I hate it when they are running two tracks and you can't hear a great running tractor run. You just as well coulda stayed home and watched the video on youtube. |
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mgc
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i watched live stream,it was an awesome event BUT that Denver guy was BRUTAL 3 4ths of what he said seemed to be the wrong info or not even close,saying the tractor names wrong Ms kale's tractor is called RIDE THE LIGHTNING not RIDING THE LIGHTNING dum bass. Smoke on both tracks at same time is wrong.22 in pulloff is wrong.ESDON NOT WINNING IS THE WRONGEST WRONG OF THEM ALL,LOL.my hero's are farmers and tractor pullers. |
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It's not dragracing
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people say that one track noise drowns out the other track if one is a blower motor and the other a turbo motor. WELL don't run the two tracks at the same time. It's doesn't matter whats pulling on either track,,do not run the two tracks together, it's not dragracing. makes a bad show. the idea of 2 tracks should be to always give the fans something to watch..not the best run show for BG. the announcing needs people that know the sport if your gona talk about pulling. Miles does a good job, he just needs more excitement in his voice , like the old man. |
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fsp
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Glad I didn't go. Used to be a good pull and good announcing. They used to run pickups, mini mods etc. when the smokers were running on one track. Maybe just a simple idea but use a longer chain that would change things a bit. Sounds like Hamburg N.Y. was a good pull. I see Slama went there vs. B.G. |
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I was at the Friday night Hamburg event (Sat. was mostly a rain out) and it was for a one night evening event a good night. Obviously it is not Bowling Green in number of classes and size and scope of the event itself. There is always back and forth about whether Hamburg can succeed now that the Erie County Fair wants the tractor pulling at the end of the fair after the concerts are over, so here are the numbers of vehicles that pulled in the "comparable" classes that are done at both Hamburg and Bowling Green. Super Farms Hamburg- 12, Bowling Green- 45. 2 Wheel Drive Trucks- Hamburg- 25, Bowling Green- 49 (Seems like a lot of 2WD trucks out there looking to pull). Open Super Stock- Hamburg- 12, Bowling Green- 12. Modified- Hamburg- 11, Bowling Green- 12. (The last Bowling Green hook on Sunday had 4 of the tractors at Hamburg join them making a class of 15 for that pull.) If this years turnout means anything, the Hamburg pull is far from dying going up against Bowling Green. There seems to be room for both at this point. |
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announcers
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That wasn't Denver, He was doing BCSN T V overdubs Friday and Saturday nights. He does a better job than that. Ive heard him and enjoyed him at many pulls. |
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BG spectator
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Here are my opinions on what happened at Bowling Green
1. 22 pulloff in Prostock I believe they had such a big pull off with prostocks because they wanted both tracks to be done at the same time. They had 5 classes that night and 2 of them were big (48? in prostock and 47? in TWD). So that they didn't have a track completed and still have the other track going, they brought back a lot of prostocks so that both tracks will get done at almost the same time... keep the crowd interested. 2. running diesels and blowers at the same time As a diesel puller myself, I use my hearing a lot. You look at the gauges and listen to the tractor while building boost and rpms at the line to make sure everything is going to run right. I did take notice at BG that when they ran both the diesels and blowers at the same time, the diesel guys would wait until the trucks or mods were done pulling until they would start building rpms for their run. I don't mind watching the diesels on one track and the mods on the other, it breaks it up a bit... it just might be frustrating for the pullers. But please do not run the light super stocks and the open super stocks in the same session. |
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Registered: 03/05/2011 Posts: 202 |
My only comment about the show is on announcing. They talk WAY too much in my opinion. I don't like when there's never a break in the talking, it seems like they even talk over the turbocharged tractors at times. |
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Tony M
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Regarding the above and other posts in this thread criticizing the announcers, I've got to say I am quite surprised to hear that. I have not been to pulls everywhere, but I've been to quite a few locations for national pulls and smaller, and I feel like Bowling Green's announcing crew is BY FAR the best I've ever heard. Of all the aspects that make BG a great event, I put the announcers right up there as a major positive factor.
They are knowledgeable, professional (actually speak in something near proper English), informative, entertaining, and have likeable personalities. It's hard for me to find annoucers at other pulls that even have one or two of those qualities, and never the full set like BG's do. Though all the guys there are good, I'd say Butch and Denver are my favorites. I could listen to them forever, like good radio personalities. I like the Bowling Green announcing crew so much compared to any other pull annoucers that I'm actually shocked to hear anyone would not like them. Again, they are a big part of what I like about the event overall. I read someone above criticize for calling a puller by the wrong name. Yes, that happens sometimes. But those are MISTAKES, not because they don't know any better - which is what happens at many pulls! I'll forgive mistakes as long as they actually know better, which I know they do. Another above criticizes them for talking too much. I've always been impressed that they can talk that much and not run out of good things to say, and that I enjoy hearing nearly all of it! I appreciate the good sound system there so that you can hear them over a non-blown puller if need be. Some of you guys say these guys don't know the world of pulling? Where in the world else do pull annoucers know more? Way too many at other pulls are old hill-billys who have no idea what's really going on, who the competitors are, how to come close to professional delivery and proper speech, or how to fill the long dead air between hooks with words that anyone wants to hear. I get really tired of listening to old hill-billys. |
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Registered: 02/21/2012 Posts: 819 |
Small pet peeve that aggravated me a little this year.
We measure distances out to three places past the decimal. These digits are tenths, hundredths, and thousandths. This relates to parts of a foot. The first digit is not inches. and the second and third digits aren't tenths and hundredths. 0.985 is nine-hundred eight-five thousandths, not nine inches and eighty-five hundredths. Not that big of a deal, but this is something simple that could be fixed. John Murray Two-time Pedal Pull World Champion Let's Go Pulling, covering the sport of pulling in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama. Watch LGP on YouTube Like LGP on Facebook 
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Tony M
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I have to admit, much as I like them, I had that exact same "pet peeve" and complaint this year! And I'm afraid to say I think it was Denver whom I just defended who did it most often!
He/they did keep talking about inches, at least at one point saying "we take it down to hundreths of an inch." At other times the first decimal place was specifically stated to be inches attached to the distance. Once I think I recall a distance ending .600 being announced as "and six inches exactly." Uh, no, that would be 7.2 inches, exactly. One tenth foot is not one inch, and one thousandth foot is not one hundredth inch. He/they did sound pretty dumb saying things like that repeatedly, making it not just a MISTAKE, but a case of NOT KNOWING BETTER! (or at least sounding like they didn't know any better) That did bother me. I complained out loud about it to the guys I was there with. Good point. |
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mod guy6697
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why wasnt light unlimited mods at BG? i seen them at jerseyville,Il and it was outstanding. these super pulls are missing the boat on not having them!! this is just spectator opinion |
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announcers
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Again Guys, That wasn't Denver, He was doing BCSN T V overdubs Friday and Saturday nights. He does a better job than that. Ive heard him and enjoyed him at many pulls. |
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