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injpumped
A 2.75 turbo limit is hardly a limit at all if you're wanting non sanctioned stock ish tractors. A 2.75 charger will allow more than road gear speeds, and I'm sure you're not after that.

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Ian Radtke
I'd bring the 2H2F for the open class if I could run it as-is (12,500 lb, 3000 RPM, with safety equipment).

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HOI FAIR PULL
Alright fans and pullers, as you may know we're going to be pulling farm stock tractors on Tuesday night at the HOI Fair in Peoria IL again this year. We have confirmed that we will be adding a class as well. There will be THREE farm stock classes on Tuesday night right after the 8000lb Pro Stock Diesel Pickups.

Here's what has been proposed:

10klb stock - 100 or 110 factory HP limit 2.3in turbo limit. 2800rpm limit.

14klb OPEN, bring the hottest of the hot and the baddest of the bad as long as it's stock appearing. 2800rpm and no cut tires.

16k stock - No factory HP limit 2.3in turbo limit. 2800rpm limit.

My apologies for last year's stock classes having the one very hot tractor in them, we will NOT have that problem again this year GUARANTEED! You know if you should be in the OPEN and so will we. Judges discretion as to what is considered not "stock."


Who will be insuring this pull?

WE ALSO NEED SPONSORS FOR THIS YEAR. We are provided the track, sled, and crew so any money for trophies and or winnings come from our generous sponsors. We would love to have your banner up along side the track and your name mentioned throughout the evening by the announcers in trade for a small contribution to the pull.

100% entry fee payback regardless of how many people are in the class. We've always paid back all of the money we took in for entry fees and this year will be no different (I think we paid back to 10th place last year in every class!).

There will not be a speed limit, we will instead be enforcing the turbo rule. If you don't want to pull the intake off, you may elect to forfeit your winnings and entry fee instead.

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two banger
In your 14000 lb open class is that ok if I run a blanket covering my steel clutch and flywheel, would that be stock appearing?o

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two banger
In your 14000 lb open class is that ok if I run a blanket covering my steel clutch and flywheel, would that be stock appearing?o

I would prefer if the tractors didn't have scatter blankets as that indicates to some that the machine is an association tractor. 2800RPM should be low enough that we don't have to run that type of equipment.

That being said, I hesitate to prohibit safety equipment if that particular puller wants to run it. I think we'll have to put a turbo limit on this open class as well to keep the pullers in check. How does everyone feel about a 2.75in inlet rule in the open?

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G nuts
No one said to take anything off, learn how to read. You want to put on a pull than have at it. Until then STFU. If you're so concerned about it don't come. 2800rpm is nothing you need a blanket for, some tractors came factory rated higher than that.

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HOI FAIR PULL
Administrative duties, such as insurance, are the concern of the fair board.

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HOI FAIR PULL
Administrative duties, such as insurance, are the concern of the fair board.

Then I hope for your fair's sake that it has good insurance because from the rules that I have seen in the 16k class, it looks like an accident waiting to happen.
Sorry, but that's just how I see it.

I am 45 minutes south of the HOI fair.

Clark Oltmanns
Lincoln, Il.

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HOI FAIR PULL
Administrative duties, such as insurance, are the concern of the fair board.

Then I hope for your fair's sake that it has good insurance because from the rules that I have seen in the 16k class, it looks like an accident waiting to happen.
Sorry, but that's just how I see it.

I am 45 minutes south of the HOI fair.

Clark Oltmanns
Lincoln, Il.

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HOI FAIR PULL
Administrative duties, such as insurance, are the concern of the fair board.

Then I hope for your fair's sake that it has good insurance because from the rules that I have seen in the 16k class, it looks like an accident waiting to happen.
Sorry, but that's just how I see it.

I am 45 minutes south of the HOI fair.

Clark Oltmanns
Lincoln, Il.

If you don't pull there no one cares if you think there's going to be a problem. Bernie Sanders thinks there's a problem that he can fix too, more than one person thought the world was going to end last year, you're all wrong. Pull, offer rule suggestions, or zip it.

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Paranormal Pumpkin
Beat me to it Dave. Very well put. The point that Clark is trying to get across is the issue with insurance and safety. Rules are one thing. But in reading this thread I have a hard time believing that the 16k class doesn't fall into an open/hot class too through interpretation. Asking that sanctioned vehicles would be welcome to run, but would be better for the promoters standpoint to have said vehicles remove some of the safety equipment is plain asinine. I get everyone can't put together a sanctioned vehicle, and there are those who do this for the shear enjoyment. Those of you who make a commitment and pay your dues to an organization, I hope you understand that by participating in such events makes it harder for organizations to fulfill commitments and contracts. Bottom line if anything was to happen to said vehicles with removed safety equipment its going to fall back onto the organization that vehicle represents. Who's liable and who looks like the fool now? Keep on patronizing these types of events boys and you are liable "bankrupt" your class right out of business. My personal opinion for the fair/promoter is to shop around for organizations who provide insurance, govern rules, and could bring a sanctioned class or two with it. You would be money ahead for the promoters stand point. Having to put up $200 claimer / protest rule for stock?!!!! At want point does this make any of this pull a "stock" pull then? Come on 2.75 inlet?? Where do I stop?

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Paranormal Pumpkin
Beat me to it Dave. Very well put. The point that Clark is trying to get across is the issue with insurance and safety. Rules are one thing. But in reading this thread I have a hard time believing that the 16k class doesn't fall into an open/hot class too through interpretation. Asking that sanctioned vehicles would be welcome to run, but would be better for the promoters standpoint to have said vehicles remove some of the safety equipment is plain asinine. I get everyone can't put together a sanctioned vehicle, and there are those who do this for the shear enjoyment. Those of you who make a commitment and pay your dues to an organization, I hope you understand that by participating in such events makes it harder for organizations to fulfill commitments and contracts. Bottom line if anything was to happen to said vehicles with removed safety equipment its going to fall back onto the organization that vehicle represents. Who's liable and who looks like the fool now? Keep on patronizing these types of events boys and you are liable "bankrupt" your class right out of business. My personal opinion for the fair/promoter is to shop around for organizations who provide insurance, govern rules, and could bring a sanctioned class or two with it. You would be money ahead for the promoters stand point. Having to put up $200 claimer / protest rule for stock?!!!! At want point does this make any of this pull a "stock" pull then? Come on 2.75 inlet?? Where do I stop?

Just don't come to the pull, if you saw the crowd that was there for the last two years of this versus any other night aside from stock pickup night you'd shut your stupid food hole. The fair has an organization, the ITPA, but we go just to watch the locals go at it. Bottom line is that there are hundreds of stock pulls all over every year where they don't want shields and blankets but nothing happens, they're are also pulls where there are a bunch of rules and equipment for safety that people get hurt at. Thems the breaks in motorsports. Duh.

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Paranormal Pumpkin
Beat me to it Dave. Very well put. The point that Clark is trying to get across is the issue with insurance and safety. Rules are one thing. But in reading this thread I have a hard time believing that the 16k class doesn't fall into an open/hot class too through interpretation. Asking that sanctioned vehicles would be welcome to run, but would be better for the promoters standpoint to have said vehicles remove some of the safety equipment is plain asinine. I get everyone can't put together a sanctioned vehicle, and there are those who do this for the shear enjoyment. Those of you who make a commitment and pay your dues to an organization, I hope you understand that by participating in such events makes it harder for organizations to fulfill commitments and contracts. Bottom line if anything was to happen to said vehicles with removed safety equipment its going to fall back onto the organization that vehicle represents. Who's liable and who looks like the fool now? Keep on patronizing these types of events boys and you are liable "bankrupt" your class right out of business. My personal opinion for the fair/promoter is to shop around for organizations who provide insurance, govern rules, and could bring a sanctioned class or two with it. You would be money ahead for the promoters stand point. Having to put up $200 claimer / protest rule for stock?!!!! At want point does this make any of this pull a "stock" pull then? Come on 2.75 inlet?? Where do I stop?

Just don't come to the pull, if you saw the crowd that was there for the last two years of this versus any other night aside from stock pickup night you'd shut your stupid food hole. The fair has an organization, the ITPA, but we go just to watch the locals go at it. Bottom line is that there are hundreds of stock pulls all over every year where they don't want shields and blankets but nothing happens, they're are also pulls where there are a bunch of rules and equipment for safety that people get hurt at. Thems the breaks in motorsports. Duh.

If you just go watch to see the locals, then why don't the locals have their own night of pulling instead of riding on the shirt tails of ITPA? Would the crowd that you speak of for the last 2 years still be there if it was locals only? The fair has NO pulling organization. The fair HIRES ITPA to put on a show.

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Is 16 stock too heavy ? Seems like lots of weight to put on a 10xx . 44xx etc seems most of the stock tractors seem to be in that range , just wondering ?

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HOI FAIR PULL
I can see that there is some controversy here, that's not what I intended.

We will probably just follow the rules for every other pull within a 100 mile radius and say "stock appearing" with a "judges discretion" disclaimer.

If you are not coming to the event or bringing a tractor to the event I am not sure that the discussion even applies to you, that being said suggestions are welcomed. I may not agree with what is said but I can appreciate opinions of others who have been around a while.

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I have no tractor in this pull but to take off safety equipment to fit in a class is not by any means a good idea. Here is why. If a tractor is hot and has a steel flywheel etc. I doubt it will stay within the 2800 rpms or 10% over. What ever that would be unless you have a warning system or device that will keep it at the set rpms. Even if they play by the rules it's not good. I had a fan blade come off a farm tractor pulling a round baler at less than 1500 rpms. The fan blade went out of the tractor putting a hole in the hood and a hole in a road sign. If it had gone out he other side it would have hit a kid on a bicycle. From then on when we pulled at a fair and they asked about our side shields I said shields stay or I go. Think about something coming off and hitting someone at a pull. Some innocent kid may die. If it where up to me all tractors would have safety equipment. I have been involved in pulling for over 30 years and it's always wise to take safety 1st. Your turbo rule is certainly better than a 3" turbo for stock but even 2.8 is bigger than any stock turbo I have seen.