LLSS build April 15, 2017 12:52PM
Wana build LLSS. Going to be alky. Pros and cons to ford ih and JD. Leaning towards Ford but need want to hear pros and cons. Any help??
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Re: LLSS build April 15, 2017 01:20PM
IH has a lot of engine options along with several rear ends 560 656, 666 686,that can be bought cheap Fords make a nice tractor you can run the cummins in them if you wanted JD would cost the most to build with not much options for engines and a little bit of a weight problem If your not loyal to a certain brand anything Agco has a lot of options another easy option would be just buy mine and pull next week ive had cockshutts with the Hercules engines olivers with a cummins and cockshutt hoods on them and this IH with a 361 806 and now the dt 360 and have several other engines in the class in 3 or 4 different states if I can help give me a call .270 566 2901
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Re: LLSS build April 15, 2017 01:34PM
Does your organization allow decubing?


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Re: LLSS build April 15, 2017 02:06PM
Yes we are able to do
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Re: LLSS build April 15, 2017 05:21PM
A White with a de-cubed 3208 would be tough on everyone in the class.
If you go to pulls to make friends, do not do this! If you bring your own friends to the pulls, go ahead.
Plan to be back stabbed, bitched about, and then de-cube ing will be banned.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 02:03AM
Can't run V8s in LLSS.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 03:06AM
Take one bank off, run a beefier rod and have a 4 cyl. capable of doing the job.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 04:59AM
Build a 5 cylinder Deutz if you want something different that would run 320 cubes factory with no problem to get the 370 limit 3600 rpms factory in the truck on diesle just stick some spark plugs in it which wouldn't be that hard Deutz made some air cooled gas engines ; and the heads would probably fit
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 10:40AM
I think IH is way I'll go. DONT want cummins. What's best rear, motor to use??
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 10:57AM
Cheaper to just buy a good one. Sometimes you can catch them for sale on here. Did Cut Loose ever sell? That's a sharp one that was up for sale a while
Back.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 01:06PM
Whats considered cheap theres been several sell in the 50s and 60s . And Cut Loose was priced way up there to looks good yes but never was very impressive
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 10:59AM
06 rear ends are too heavy for LLSS. They can be made to work, but will require quite a bit of machining. 460, 560 rears are very popular. Tons of parts for them, and can be made very light. The 666 is also very popular. Tons of parts for it. For an alcohol Motor, the dt360 is your best bet. Similar dimensions to a 5.9 Cummins and a good amount of parts available including some crossover from the 466's. You can decube a 400 series, but in a lightweight class, the heavier motor is going to hurt you. The lighter you can build it, the more moveable weight you have to work with. It's easier to start with a lighter weight base, than to try and pare weight off of heavier parts. Cheaper as well.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 01:16PM
What did the DT 360 come in? Want to start looking at some junk yards? So block crank and head Can be used. Anything else?
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 01:45PM
Where u from? I know where there are a couple dt360's sitting.
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Re: LLSS build April 17, 2017 02:21AM
Wi
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Re: LLSS build April 17, 2017 02:57AM
Where are they at? Price? I'm also looking for one.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 01:38PM
Sorry...I omitted the 656 rear. Also very popular.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 01:46PM
360 wise...the truck block is a bore and stroke of 4.010x4.751 and can be found in many medium duty international trucks. The DTA 360 motors have the best flowing heads out of the box. The Ag 360 is a 3.88 x 5.09 bore and stroke and came in 766's I believe. There are a bunch of guys on here that are far more knowledgeable on tractor engines than I am, so hopefully one of them will chime in. I prefer the truck based block personally. Some guys like to open up the bore on an ag block and put the truck crank in, as it allows for a "combustion chamber" for alcohol motors. I actually prefer to use a deck plate on the truck block for the same purpose, but also to tie the top of the block together.
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 01:54PM
Ag is 3.85 x 5.085...
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 02:30PM
The Agg engines have a taller deck and a stronger crank and are double the price because of availability school busses are the best place they can be found and you can buy a complete engine cheaper than you can buy a good standard crank for the tractor engine I should be getting two busses soon that have good engines but they are plentiful
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Re: LLSS build April 16, 2017 10:13PM
Yes, the taller deck block is where I was going with the Ag block and the truck crank but failed to mention the taller deck. Lewis came through on that and I'm glad he clarified what I forgot. But the taller deck block and shorter stroke crank from the truck motor will give you the "combustion chamber" I mentioned. As stated, I prefer to do it with a deck plate.
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Re: LLSS build April 17, 2017 12:06AM
The rod journals between the two are different also. If i remember correctly the ag rods are 3.00" and the truck rods are 2.50". I think the mains are the same though.
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Re: LLSS build April 17, 2017 01:14PM
The tractor uses the same rods as the 400 series engines and as far as the head flow the truck has a littile bit bigger valves because the tractor had the smaller bore and the truck has round ex ports instead of square ive ported a truck head that flowed 260 with stock size valves and don't think there would be a nickels worth of difference between the two heads the intake side looks the same if a round ex flows better the square could be rounded ,It would be interesting to se how the long stroke would run
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 07:58AM
Bore & Stroke
AG - 3.875 x 5.085
Truck - 4.010 x 4.751

Block
The AG is roughly 0.400 difference taller deck height

Mains
Both - 3.375

Rod Journal
AG - 2.999
Truck - 2.519

Rod Length
Both - 8.44

Rod Cap
AG - Angled
Truck - Straight

Wrist Pin
AG - 1.625
Truck - 1.4955

Heads
Both have rectangle intake and round exhaust ports.

Valves
Both have Intake - 1.710 & Exhaust - 1.455
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 08:06AM
Why hasn't some build an IH German? Go to around a 4.25" bore on a 310. They have a fully counter weighted crankshaft stock. The valves are stagered like a 5.9 Cummins, so it is easier to fit big valves. The head looks like it should flow as good or better than a 300 series. Just a thought.
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 12:49PM
There has been and it was one of the top runners at that time one of the hildabrans had it now its just sitting
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 01:00PM
Lewis how much does ur 806 wiegh?
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 01:11PM
IT has a 560 rear in it its just got the 806 sheet metal Iost 240 pounds changing from the 806 361 and going to the dt360 so its not a real 806 if that's what you were thinking but it weighs around 5100 without me and no weirghts
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 01:05PM
the german engine Back in the day they always had a bad rap as a performance choice.
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Re: LLSS build April 18, 2017 01:21PM
I worked at IH and owned a couple 666 and 686s with bothe engines the only bad wrap would have been the injecter pump and not starting as good as the 312 they were smoother running with less vibes than the 312
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Re: LLSS build April 26, 2017 11:20AM
I have a complete Dt 466 destroked to 370 set up for alcohol for sale .
All work was done by Riverside
Give me a call 715 536 6779
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