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New puller
No front suspension takes some Wisconsin tractors out.

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?
Since when has Kentucky had any influence on ANY NATIONAL ORGANIZATION , -- " NEVER " , if Kentucky had that kind of influence it would have been 6000lbs !!!!! So don't blame Kentucky for the no air ride suspension !!!! Some would like to have it in Kentucky !!!!

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?
Have you lost your mind, Ky has NEVER had the weight at 6250lbs, so how is it a carbon copy? You need to keep up !!!

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David Runkle(earls dream)
They just threw one of there members under the bus with this suspension rule. The guys have been pulling with WTPA in wisconsin for a few years now with air bag suspension and won points. So if NTPA decided to have this class at Tomah , they couldn't pull in there own back yard

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David Runkle(earls dream)
I often wondered the same thing. Why can't all diesels in the LLSS class run 3.4 charger?

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LSS Fan
Are there currently any diesel supers larger than 540? Boxler and Smoke and Mirrors were at one point I believe? Kind of guessed Ross was as well, guess not.

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Read between the lines
OEM block or aftermarket replica must be from an agricultural machine application

this rule change is completely clear by being unclear as long as the engine does not exceed 650ci go for it and somewhere some manufacturer used a big block chevy for a irrigation pump it would seem this opens it up to billet blocks that can spin a BBC crank which may not be cheap but have to be less expensive than the work it takes to build anything else with some off the shelf stuff available

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Read between the lines
Michael re read what I said by being vague the rule opens things up. you are making it more difficult than you need to

unless the NTPA decides to clean up the language of the rule the engine combinations are wide open

all that a puller would have to produce is some form of documentation where a oem built a irrigation pump, chopper, harvester, you name it with a particular engine combination to power the machine as long as the aftermarket block can swing that oem machine crank it is fair game

read rules for what they say and more importantly what they dont say

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Has been
For "clarification" purposes what's your guys thoughts on how to or where to measure the 3.4 smooth bore turbo? Apparently in KY you can run a 3.4 wheel. Just to clarify

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Has been
So the alcohol tractors the housing bore will be measured because the rule doesn't say wheel. Correct?

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Retired Head Tech Official
This has all been brought to my attention, glad to see NTPA putting out a detailed set of rules, but guess they need to be written so that a 4 year old can understand. Harry Bledsoe was found illegal for very similar to this turbo issue. The bore of the turbo is what is measured and always has been, and if wheel must protrude 1/8” into the bore it can not measure 3.0 or 3.4 or whatever, it has to be smaller to fit into the the bore of the charger, and measuring at face of the wheel, at face of wheel not on face of wheel. So, that is measure bore at face of the wheel.

Ok, all tech officials out there have someone make you a set of plug gauges, go nogo, for all different sizes of turbos your club runs. 3.4 for example 3.4 will fit other half or second one measures 3.401 and it will not fit. You have to stand behind rules, and regardless of how rules get altered over the years, know how to check everything that needs to be checked within your club. And a lot of this needs to be checked before season start, and not leave it to protest, that is why you have tech officials. And any organization that do not support there tech officials, you should be prepared to lose vehicles.

Something to think about, have one vehicle that bends the rule, or they interpreted the rule a little different from others, and tech officials let it slide you can possibly loose 2 to 3 vehicles over time, but tech says no you can’t run it is not legal, you may lose that vehicle and maybe a buddy, so that’s 2, but you gain back the 2 to 3 you lost for letting it slide, and also 3 to 4 more for being stern on rules.


Again Turbos have always been measured by the bore at the face of the wheel, and wheel must protrude into that bore size in most cases at least 1/8”. If you think your rules state or mean anything any different from that YOU ARE WRONG...

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Retired Head Tech Official
This has all been brought to my attention, glad to see NTPA putting out a detailed set of rules, but guess they need to be written so that a 4 year old can understand. Harry Bledsoe was found illegal for very similar to this turbo issue. The bore of the turbo is what is measured and always has been, and if wheel must protrude 1/8” into the bore it can not measure 3.0 or 3.4 or whatever, it has to be smaller to fit into the the bore of the charger, and measuring at face of the wheel, at face of wheel not on face of wheel. So, that is measure bore at face of the wheel.

Ok, all tech officials out there have someone make you a set of plug gauges, go nogo, for all different sizes of turbos your club runs. 3.4 for example 3.4 will fit other half or second one measures 3.401 and it will not fit. You have to stand behind rules, and regardless of how rules get altered over the years, know how to check everything that needs to be checked within your club. And a lot of this needs to be checked before season start, and not leave it to protest, that is why you have tech officials. And any organization that do not support there tech officials, you should be prepared to lose vehicles.

Something to think about, have one vehicle that bends the rule, or they interpreted the rule a little different from others, and tech officials let it slide you can possibly loose 2 to 3 vehicles over time, but tech says no you can’t run it is not legal, you may lose that vehicle and maybe a buddy, so that’s 2, but you gain back the 2 to 3 you lost for letting it slide, and also 3 to 4 more for being stern on rules.


Again Turbos have always been measured by the bore at the face of the wheel, and wheel must protrude into that bore size in most cases at least 1/8”. If you think your rules state or mean anything any different from that YOU ARE WRONG...

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unlikely
It's unlikely since this is considered a beginner class but they're already reaching the limits of factory rear ends. Two have lost rear wheels down here in the south this year.

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? 4 so
YOUR the one that said WE shouldn't have let NTPA adopt the class, tell me how to stop it !!!

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HP
patches, you are WRONG!!
The axle housings are STEEL.
The drop out with the pinion, and ring gear, and diff housing are cast. But if those break, the wheel is not going to fall off.
And, anyone building component today would be using a Merritor 20-145 housing.
Also, the axle housing is STEEL.
Two halves of STAMPED STEEL.
WELDED together.
Stop by any truck scrap yard and look at one.
STEEL.
NOT CAST.

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HP
the Doc rear is an excellent choice.
No where did I say you HAD to use the 20-145.
Just try to point out where I did.
Just that it is a better choice than the antique and hard to find sq stuff.

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HP
the Doc rear is an excellent choice.
No where did I say you HAD to use the 20-145.
Just try to point out where I did.
Just that it is a better choice than the antique and hard to find sq stuff.

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HP

The reason we have lost so many member states, is because I have personally pissed every person, in every one of those states clear the heck off.

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S'no Farmer
So,
Two things, first NTPA will adapt any class they see fit it shouldn't real matter to those that don't want to run with them. Second no one is making anyone run with NTPA or for that matter making anyone run a component if NTPA were to adopt them.

S'no Farmer

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The Original Michael
Along the same lines, it is foolish to not mandate tethers for wheels, both front and rear for all vehicles from minis to hot farm to unlimiteds. It is an easily foreseeable tragedy waiting to happen.

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Jake Morgan
A back tire at Gordyville did some serious damage to a wall and a steel crossmember in the wall.

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patches
you do know sqld/sqhd housings are cast too....lol

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Longtimefan
Well Mr. Attorney I’m a purist, I believe my Cockshutt 570 rear end with a 5.9 Cummins attached to it and Oliver 88 sheet metal over it is pulling in its purest form. Is that right?

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Longtimefan
You take like the 460 rearends. Those tractors were made from 1958-63 and rate at 61 hp. So throwing 25x the horsepower to 60 year old cast makes sense in what world? The Oliver 1850 1960-62, again 60 year old cast and 25x the horsepower again. This is a motorsport, dependability and ease of parts is the name of the game. If you want “pure” tractor classes go watch antiques. The John Deere 4010, 60 years old and throwing 35x the hp it was designed for to it. 806, 1206, again 55-60 years old and throwing in excess of 30x the hp to it. Not to mention the grinding that goes on to these rear ends to make weight. I watched a an axle housing bust at Wilmington, Ohio NTPA event this year. If Dave Armstrong would have been at 250’ and had a full head of steam when that happened who knows where that tire would have ended up. I’m over the argument of tractors aren’t tractors once they go component. This is a motorsport and like all Motorsports with ever increasing hp and speed after market parts are needed, not only for durability but for the safety of all involved driver to fan. Some will argue to tune em back, we’ll pulling is still a sport of who is bigger and isn’t anybody that pulls if they are truly honest with themselves going to tune em back. Everybody wants to win. PERIOD. What’s going to happen when new rear ends make it into the sport and those come stock from the factory with plastic bell housings. Components in all classes is the future and its time to stop putting off the inevitable.

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sfd823




This is why some of us want 6500 instead of 6 or 6250.

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Dave Armstrong
Longtime fan I did not break an axle housing please get your facts straight it was a hub

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Fact Check
Fact 1. NTPA wants the License money, 50 Pullers X $700 = $35,000 ! Fact 2. Once NTPA adopts your class, They decide on the rules not the Pullers ! Fact 3. Components Chassis will completely Ruin the class ! Fact 4. 6500 # will change the out come of the class ! I have No Dog in this race, just been around pulling way to long and seeing history repeat it's self !!!

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Jus thinking
I think it’s a good thing when rules are imposed by a group of people that are NOT pullers and there for typically do what’s overall best for a class or organization rather than what is best for themselves or their friends. I’ve seen that happen to different classes over the years then people wonder why it’s such a $$$ game. Also S’no farmer you hit the nail on the head but I think people just like complaining maybe they’re democrats.