The current fuel delivery system works. It is expensive but pretty darn reliable in the grand scheme of things. If the members of the class want to change it, let them but otherwise you're trying to fix something that isn't broken. Bryan Lively - 
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You're muddying the waters. Let the class decide if it's allowed. Don't spend other people's money unless you wanna jump in the class. Bryan Lively -
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Jake, I believe I am absolutely well reasoned considering that we talk until we are blue in the face on this page about how classes are losing numbers because of escalating costs. EFI is another avenue to pour money into a class that doesn't need it, money gets spent well enough as it is. And again, the ones who should decide the direction of a class are the ones who pour money into it, not keyboard punchers like you or me. Yes I get it that it's not a mandate but an option for teams.... And, Jake, by your metric to get younger people involved, shouldn't we encourage entry level.classes to allow EFI? We need to be developing pullers for 5 to 15 years down the road and by that time EFI may just be a perfectly sensible option across more classes. Build from the ground up, not the top down. We should have had this conversation 15 years ago, but it's all hindsight of course. I don't say it enough but I am glad to have this page to debate issues, thank you Jake for it. However when the floor is open for debate it best be understood that differing, spirited opinions will be offered. I approach this sport much differently than I did 20 years ago. Back then I was obsessed with the act of pulling a sled only, now I focus on more than just the actual pull...everything that goes into the existence, growth, and future viability of a vehicle and sled entertaining fans. So, for now, and one more time for those in the back that couldn't hear, don't fix/tinker with/alter a rule set that doesn't need it. Bryan Lively -
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Michael, go look at my past posts where I have commented on any number of those bullet point issues.
I have been consistent about my belief that we shouldn't spend other peoples money. Its my opinion. Your opinions run opposed to mine. So be it. I respect your right to an opinion but don't think for a second I am required to agree with your opinion. To propose a thought or thoughts and think there won't be pushback is naive, and I fully expected you to respond to my dissent. That's the beauty of open and free discussion. Thanks again Jake for the page. My posts are observational or with a historical slant rather than editorial for the most part. I decided to chime in on this one because I am tired of opinions trying to "fix" things that work as-is. Again, it is my opinion. You have the right to like it, love it, leave it, disagree with it, hate it....be honest about it at a minimum. The world would be pretty dull if we were all yes-men to a particular train of thought. One more thing: |
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Research this sites archives Lewis Conner,.....you will find an article on "Is the Prostock Class Dying" It was written more or less 10 years ago,...... 
Al Gore said we would all be dead from global warming by now too,...... 
My point is,....predicting the future is really really hard.
Accepting reality can be harder,.... and reality is,...the 10 Pro is a expensive class and economics dictate life. Case in point......study FDR's New Deal,....and tell us how that has "helped the Nation" these last 85 years ....... |
Life is full of unanswered questions Lewis Conner. Perfect example,....Did he really get 81 million? 
Or is that answer "two embarrassing"............. 
As for your demand to have someone else produce a list of Prostocks in the Country here's some advice,....do it yourself. |
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First, you got the title wrong... Is The Pro Stock Class Broken? was the title. Second, I never once used the word dieing in that article. Third, when I wrote that article there were probably twice as many Prostocks as there are nowadays (maybe more than that). I made some bold predictions back in the day: - Like Components in the Pro class... I was reamed out as crazy because they were unnecessary - BBJD would become dominant... they weren't at the top of the class back then - I asked about aftermarket blocks... not a thing back then in the class - I asked about billet blocks... not a thing back then either - I questioned allowing cross breeding... back then everyone said NO ONE would ever do this. They said it was an idiotic suggestion. Funny how all of those have come true and I was questioning those things long, long, long before they were even on anyone's radar. People constantly try to re-write the title of my article and they try to rewrite what the article said, but I seemed to hit on quite a few issues about the future when the class was at it's absolute peak for numbers. I agree that predicting the future is hard, but I'm not upset with that questions I asked in that article. I did write another article... not specific to Pro Stock, just random predictions for the future of the sport and most of the classes... I did use the word dieing in that article... Random Predictions and Ramblings "Prediction for Pro Stock: I predict that the numbers will dwindle in the class over the next 4-5 year. As I predicted last year all the organizations will allow component tractors. The color will go to 80%-90% Green. The small block JD tractors that choose to stay in the class will gradually change their setups to big block tractors. There will be a few Red tractors that do the R&D and make the little DT466 run near the top but it will ultimately lead to a loss of reliability and in the end they will get left behind. In an almost last ditch effort to gain color the ATPA will allow all Ag blocks and eventually aftermarket blocks for non-green tractors. This will signal that the class is grasping at straws and is very close to dieing. The price tag will be double and the fan interest will be minimal. Turbo limits and pump limits will also be proposed as a solution to this class. The class will become a very small niche class with pulls at a select few events. I will continue to support the PS class and die hard fans will still enjoy watching the 680 Deere roar down the track with tremendous Hp but this class may eventually be combined with the Diesel Super Stock and it will ultimately be replaced by the LPS. The only salvation I see for this class is CID limit in the mid 500’s and unfortunately I don’t see that happening." I'll admit that I underestimated the number of wealthy people willing to spend so much money for such a small return... it still amazes me that guys will pour that much money into the class to win peanuts. I'm thankful for it, because I still like watching that class, but personally I can't wrap my head around it. That underestimate had a huge impact on my prediction for class size and subsequently fan interest and I readily admit that. I underestimated the emotion and ego associated with the sport. However almost everything else I wrote seems like a pretty decent predictions... except cost, I underestimated that too. So I guess I was wrong, the class was fine back then. It was 100% perfect and wasn't broken in any way. No way at all. It's 15 years later, the class is half as big, four times as expensive and people are still asking if it's broken. Clearly nothing's wrong for some people because they still have good numbers... clearly everything is just great in to eyes of some. I've always wondered who the people are that think there's nothing wrong with the USA because we are still a great nation... I've always wondered who are the people who can't see the flaws we have even though our country is still the beacon of light. I think we live in the greatest country in the world, but I'm not so blind as to say we don't have any problems. Right now it seems like we have some huge problems... but clearly nothing is wrong with our nation because people still want to come here (at least that's how many view Pro Stock so it must be true for the USA too. Clearly nothing has ever been wrong with the Pro Stock class either. Clearly it's 100% perfect and clearly it's always been on the perfect track with no issues for some. For others (like me) I think that class is awesome, but I think it could have been better. I think if Pro Stock (and Super Farm) cubic inch limits were lowered 15 years ago we wouldn't have ever started so many other single turbo diesel tractor classes. I think the rise of so many other single charger classes are proof that both Pro Stock and Super Farm had/have their fair share of flaws. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
