05:55:23am, Wednesday, April 15, 2026
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The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,935 |
I see that the NTPA has mandated that pullers need to register on the Monday before the upcoming event. This is obviously so the truck and tractor betting will be able to establish the betting well before the next pull. I wonder what will happen to a puller signs up and doesn't/ can't make the event
Will they have points taken away, not be able to pull at the next event, what if you're waiting on parts etc? Of course nothing will happen, how can when there isn't enough pullers in certain classes to start messing with. But my real fear is when the high rollers in Vegas, Monte Carlo find out about the opportunity to bet on pulling they will flood the market. And yes I'm done asking any questions on how this will work. But if it does great. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Posts: 114 |
[ntpapull.com]
According to this article it closes 48 hours before an event starts. Maybe you're right or maybe it's being misinterpreted and it opens, not closes, on Monday. Time will tell. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,935 |
I certainly could be wrong on the cutoff time, however my point is still the same, why. Is this the NTPA just turning over the operation of the organization to someone else? And I'm still wondering how is this rule/mandate going to be enforced? Or better yet what are the odds that this will be rescinded, I'm betting on 50-50. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Fan 2
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Why don't you email Greg Randall and ask him rather than do it on here?! I'm sure he would answer your concerns. He has always replied to me and I'm a nobody! |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Badgerfan
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I agree with Fan 2, email NTPA and ask if it is that big of a deal to you. Then you can come on here and share what you found or complain if you don't like there response. Oh I'm sorry I forgot form the last one with the truck show they should automatically know that "someone" is going to complain on this forum and they should explain every little detail.
In complaining about FullPull having something to do with this you talked about another reason why this is a good idea but didn't give it any credit. Could it possibly help the NTPA and Promoter plan for who is coming when planning pit parking, advertising, or show layout? Could it be to help speed up the registration process at the event so drivers don't have to stand in line and wait to register when they could be working on there pit area or talking to fans? Why is it a bad idea for NTPA to do but Outlaws already have something similar if I remember and no one complains about them? I really don't think it is a dumb idea. If it is for FullPull only then so be it, it adds other benefits for promoters and fans knowing who to expect. I like what Fullpull has done so far and am excited to see what they all bring in the future. There brining more fan involvement and upbeat coverage getting other people excited. That's what our society is now a days, if its not upbeat, exciting, and fast paced its not going to fly. Like it or not that is the way it is, our friends across the pond realized it and look at there events and attendance. If you want the sport to grow changes need to be made. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,935 |
Thanks for your response, however I'm not sure that I need to call them to ask a question about something they have already done. And it's called a forum where everyone ( including you) can share their opinions. And to the contrary am neither for or against betting. However I'm still a little lost on how this will work. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2024 04:12AM by Dick Morgan. |
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The gambling thing with pulling seems to be a heated issue. Gambling on pulling is not going to go away it is here to stay! Everybody will have their opinion on what is right or wrong but that is normal! The Kentucky Derby was up 11% viewership from 2023 and that coincides with over 11 million dollars more bet than last year! In a nutshell the gambling thing is hot right now and it's a growing trend! If it draws more eyes and more attention to pulling GREAT!! |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Pulling fan
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Looks to me like ntpa must be getting a kick back from the gambling. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Registered: 06/15/2021 Posts: 20 |
A week ahead cut off might be extreme but I like the idea overall. I think a 24 hour before start time cut off would be reasonable.
Filling out registration and pay online before the event would be so much more convenient. No more long lines at the registration trailer. When we get to the pull we would just have to go to the tailer to pick up our number.... |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Registered: 03/17/2009 Posts: 499 |
I think early registration is great. But then I think pullers shouldn't be required to pay until they get there. Obviously, you can still pay early online when you register but that way if you can't make it due to breakage or illness or what have you, the sanctioning body doesn't need to figure out a refund policy. Then you still have a cutoff time and all non payed registrants by that time then become a scratch.
Something like, must be registered with in 48 hours prior to the pull, must be payed by within 4 hours of start time.... just for example Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/07/2024 04:50AM by Oly. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Ppl early pay
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Dumb idea .
I ask the same thing about ppl We have to have our yearly dues in by March 1st You save 200$ for the year . I suspect they want to draw interest off your money. But , in the same token , do I know if I will have parts and be ready to start the season. No I don't. But I sign up anyway in case . I suspect a week ahead of season is way different than months ahead . I now that there has been a trend with all organizations over the years to sign up for pulling earlier and earlier over the years . It may be a shortage of help or people also . We are seeing it at every level of business. There are labor shortages for skilled jobs every where . Nobody wants to do it |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Vegas baby
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The new entry rule is for the betting app. It really doesn’t have anything to do with anything else. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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chip42
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I’m fine with early registration and payment…I just don’t like it being a requirement. Say there is a rainout for PPL or a bigger state organization and they want to go pull somewhere but NTPA mandates early registration so they can’t. You are losing pullers that could have been there. Or say somebody had breakage and finally gets something back together but they aren’t registered soon enough…still losing out on pullers. I’m fine with an hour or 2 before the start of the pull but don’t make it a day or 2 before the pull…that’s just plain dumb. Have a price break if you are registered and paid early…and if this is all about betting it’s just a chance you are going to have to take with more variables of pullers that might or might not be there. There are injuries and trades in sports…deal with a couple pullers that might or might not be there. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Here's a possible example for ya....
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In late July, PPL's schedule shows Goshen running minis and mods on Thursday. On Friday night they are 300-400 miles southwest in Evansville, IN.
However, also on Friday is NTPA Ft. Recovery which is 2 or so hours away from Goshen. They are running minis, unlimiteds, and for the Saturday afternoon session RN mods. What if Goshen goes ok, but there is a big rain event in southern Indiana on Thursday, and Evansville's Friday pull gets cancelled the day before. Some of these guys could go to The Fort since their PPL pull got rained out, it was announced the day before, and it's only 2 hours away from where they're already pulling. That would also mean more entry fees and a better show for the fans with some top notch equipment. Well, that won't happen under the new NTPA system unless a puller is expected to be a psychic. Any NTPA people care to comment? |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Registered: 03/17/2009 Posts: 499 |
This is why I said no entry fee due early in my previous post, not that you can't pay early but that way you could sign up for two events.
You could sign up for Goshen and Fort early and if one or the other rains out you head to the other and pay when you get there and if you don't end up making one or the other, you're just a scratch on the line up sheet. No harm no foul no refund policy |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Posts: 114 |
Per the NTPA Competitor text I received yesterday, it is correct that it is an early week deadline for GN competitors. Easiest solution to combat rainouts later in the week would be to choose to enter all GN events at one time and receive your refund for a scratch. No harm or foul. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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but wait there's more!
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The next best idea that NTPA came up with is how a puller will be turned away at the gate if they aren't signed up a week ahead. Somehow this is growing the sport! |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Next Great Idea
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With a hold my beer moment… we have yet another grand slam of an idea.. if you haven’t seen this yet- [ntpapull.com]
What a kick in the teeth to competitors who continue to support NTPA, this includes GN and RN competitors alike. |
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About pre-entry
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,804 |
There are 2 sides to this. NHRA has done this for years and it's similar to what NTPA is doing, but there are important differences.
With NHRA, the general public can see who has entered a race starting about 2 months out. Entries close noon Pacific (3 eastern) on Monday of race week. It is unclear how this will shake out with NTPA, but the final NHRA entry list is pretty much who will actually show up. One huge difference- pulling teams have one semi. Full time NHRA teams have 1 semi per entry (x however many entries a team has), plus it seems like multi car teams may share another trailer, and the mobile kitchen trailer. In other words, one pulling semi carries 1, and sometimes 2 or 3 vehicles. 1 NHRA semi carries the car (and backup car if primary crashes during quals), plus additional support vehicles. NHRA nitro teams take up huge amounts of pit parking space. This is an issue that pulling teams do not have to nearly the same degree. Plus, there can be over 500 sportsmen entries at the same race. I hope the final NTPA entry list is who will actually be there, and not a bunch of Free Entry guys who may not be there. If done right, and published for the general public, it could be a good thing. If done in a clunky manner, it could be embarrassing |
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Re: About pre-entry
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Puller
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I have no problem with the early entry. Even though it is different as you said about the NHRA vs NTPA.
What my problem is with the new NTPA Select, Such requirements may include participation in the GN free-entry program, possession of a point standings position at or above a particular threshold as of a certain date, promoter invitation, or a combination thereof. |
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Re: About pre-entry
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Posts: 114 |
The GN Select process literally isn't new to pulling whatsoever and the reasoning for it is valid. It's just what Chapel Hill has been doing. Not an NTPA decision, it's a promoters decision. If the promoter doesn't want a long show they have every right to limit competitors while also setting a fair standard on how to select competitors. Don slama has done it pretty much every year with the TWD class at Hillsboro by requiring a Badger State or PPL license. Same reason Farley is doing it with TWD. Where as the outrage then? |
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Re: About pre-entry
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Puller
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Your point is valid, you are correct they have been doing this and yes it is the promoters choice. Farley is not the problem…requiring a GN license not a problem at all. It is this,Napoleon, Ohio in August (SSD, PS, TWD, FWD, MINI) will require a free-entry contract, a top-15 point standings position, or invitations by the respective promoters.
So hypothetically if you’re 16th in points, without a free contract or an invite you are not coming to Napoleon. This is right before Bowling Green as well all know. So if 20 FWD, TWD or Mini competitors are chasing points. And you sit outside top 15 without a free entry contract. Good luck, thanks for coming now you miss out on at least 15 points. If this was a requirement to have a GN license, there would be no issues. Yea it sucks for a few RN pullers that come to play right before they travel to BG but that’s not the end of the world. But if you’ve been hitting all the events and sit 16th in points because we all know breakage happens. Now o well thanks for your membership, but you cannot even attempt to improve your final points standings. |
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Re: About pre-entry
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Reality
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If you are chasing points and are currently 16th by the middle of August,….you are not going be the champion, However you should be able to hook Napoleon if you’ve competed all season. This new requirement will make parking a lot nicer there ,….. |
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Puller
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I never said champion, as I said improve. But yes, parking will be much easier. |
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The DOT
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If parking is an issue then maybe there needs to be limits on the length of the haulers... You don't see NHRA or NASCAR haulers being 90-100 feet long. |
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RW
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I'd worry about other things before hauler length. Most NHRA nitro teams bring at least 2 semis per entry plus many with a motorhome and a hospitality trailer. So if a puller's motorhome is combined into their hauler, they're actually taking up less space. |
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RV attendant
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And you’re exactly right. Said teams park their motorcoaches and even unhook their toters to park in the designated RV lots. Not in the pit area |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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No one is taking over NTPA. Not NHRA.
For several years NTPA has tried to replace the recommitment program. This past season top 12 and additional pullers are GNPC license holders who are eligible for points AND competition. The contracts and labor intensive precom program had its place in pulling. Provided promoter will list of pullers, Pullers got hats and media guide inclusion merch etc. The new system mirrors other associations entry process and will help tech with puller order and line ups. LINE UPS will be available to pulblic as they have been in the past. This new process benefits pullers, fans, staff and is Not because of any other group or associations. FULLPULL et al will benefit but has no insistence in the policy. They are live streaming and that doesn't effect NTPAPULL.COM which will continue as ntpa video library. GN select, new WPI Board President, GNPC GN license holders etc are on ntpa pull.com. Why do fans leave after seeing before the end 40 vehicles compepetition. |
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Re: The next NTPA dumb idea.
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Dick
Don't know if you found your answer. NTPA IS NOT BEING TAKEN OVER. Registration/precomit program has been looked at for a number of years. Getting to a streamlined system, based on GN license, taking away cumbersome contract/penalties, making class order/lineups easier was Why the precomit program doesn't exist. For past several years competitors have complained that precomit participants have been lower in points than per hook event cherry picking the schedule Now, in order to get points, license and getting points determines the outcome. Fullpull and other groups are not taking over NTPA. Yes it's true fp will benefit from early event entry, but NTPA did not put together this program to benefit its live streaming 3rd party vendor. I don't believe vegas or anyone from Monte Carlo.will bet and take over pulling. 2024 brings many SPONSORS into pulling. They didn't sign because of all line betting or gaming. |
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So who entered Benson?
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,804 |
Is there a link available to the general public that shows who entered the GALOT pull? I'm not talking about pulling order that will be up an hour before show time.
I'm asking about a list of who pre-entered for the event after entries closed a few days ago. Thanks |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Posts: 1,283 |
It looks like under the competitors tab they have a link to SN/GN Event Roster. It seems like once registration closes they will have the list posted there.
https://ntpapull.com/ntpa-grand-national-event-rosters/ Brent Yaron Hooked Up Pulling Productions hookeduppullingproductions@gmail.com |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,804 |
The only roster is from Louisville. Didn't registration close on Monday? |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Posts: 1,283 |
Closes on the 28th Brent Yaron Hooked Up Pulling Productions hookeduppullingproductions@gmail.com |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Scheduler
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Looking at the bottom right corner of my computer screen, it shows 5/29/2024.
Looking at the link posted above, I don't see a competitor list for Benson.. Where might the competitors be listed? |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Posts: 1,283 |
Being released on a Facebook live at 7:00pm central Brent Yaron Hooked Up Pulling Productions hookeduppullingproductions@gmail.com |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Scheduler
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I looked at the NTPA website and do not see any mention of a FB Live Event. Who is running the show?? |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Obvious
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It’s not NTPA running it… it’s scam money obviously…. Don’t forget to get your mortgage from us. |
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Re: So who entered Benson?
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Rudy
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But would it not be nice to see the list growing as a fan??
Instead of showing the list when the registration has closed?? |
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Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,804 |
Thanks Brent. I had in mind the pull was during the holiday weekend.
So, the entries were posted on the full pull website. Made me wonder: What other motorsports organization would outsource posting their event entries to a 3rd party, gambling and video vendor? It is not unreasonable that full pull would show the entries, especially from the gaming aspect. However, I do not get why NTPA would not post these on their website first. If I want to see entries for an NHRA or USAC event, I get that from the sanctioning body's own media. Has WPI/NTPA ceded control of some event functions (beyond video) to a 3rd party group? |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Registered: 03/17/2009 Posts: 499 |
They are on the ntpa website... |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,804 |
They were on full pull last night. They were listed on NTPA afterward. I checked NTPA's site immediately after checking full pull and they were not there. Again, what other motorsports group would allow a 3rd party to post lineups before announcing from their own media? The only similar scenario would be CBS with the NCAA basketball selection show, but that's aplles and oranges. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Registered: 03/17/2009 Posts: 499 |
I don't see what it matters were they are posted first I guess.... Secondhand places post results before the organizations do also, but no one seems to care about that. They are just trying to promote the sport by making the list drop exciting, no matter who drops it. Just my two cents. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,804 |
Results can be posted in real time by anyone with a phone and internet connection. The pull happens in public for all to view. An entry list is by definition only known by the sanctioning body or those who they have given that information. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Registered: 03/17/2009 Posts: 499 |
Full Pull Live is just promoting the sport like I said. And Ntpa has apparently allowed them to use the lineups as a way to get people involved through social media. Website traffic is down but social media is up. This kind of change in promoting the sport is only going to help it grow and get in front of more eyes. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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OG
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The knowing the entries a week in advance is a great thing and should have been done years ago. The complaining about the "partner" releasing the list and not the NTPA is petty petty whining. There is some glacial movement forward promoting this sport, it's decades too late but celebrate its arrival. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,935 |
I don't think posting the lineup so everyone can see it is a bad idea. I do think that giving just one entity sole privilege is my concern. From what I understand that also applies to videos taken by other social media platforms. This is almost looks like the NTPA has turned over part of their leadership responsibilities. While it's great to support the sport, the national organizations need to run their own shows exclusively.
And again posting the entries is not a bad idea, however only time will tell how accurate the lineup will be at showtime. I realize that everyone want to chase the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow but a good dose of reality needs to take place. This is certainly not personal, I don't care what group is involved, to much input from someone that has a financial gain is unhealthy. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2024 07:37AM by Dick Morgan. |
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Follow the money
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Agreed with your concerns Dick. And nothing against Full Pull, just seems like they have been given executive authority within the NTPA.
My biggest concern with the entire Full Pull/NTPA affair is where the money goes. I truly believe that they do want to grow the sport and make it bigger and broader but my concern is this. Does Full Pull think it is ok to make money off of fellow pullers? Maybe this comment belongs in the are pullers being treated fairly section but I'll post anyway. It is my belief that if you are a registered NTPA Grand National Puller, you should be able to watch all Grand National live stream events for free. And this isn't about the $40 a month fee. All pullers spend thousands/hundreds of thousands of dollars on their vehicles, haulers, etc. It isn't about the money, it is about where it goes. In previous years, you bought the livestream and paid the organization. Now my money is going to Full Pull which is run by fellow pullers and Beer Money and who knows who else. I just find it shady that they will make money off of fellow pullers. Just my thoughts |
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Concerns
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It sure feels like the decision making is oblivious. If anyone has watched the May NTPA with Dr Dan Schroer great addition for the NTPA team, maybe background checks are irrelevant but nothing is anything surprising out of this organization ?——- [www.daytondailynews.com] |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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OG
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Management from someone who will succeed financially from the advancement of the sport is EXACTLY what the sport needs. Alignment of goals has been lacking. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,935 |
I'm not following your logic, who and what management are you talking about, the owner of the company or the subcontractor that works for the company? Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2024 01:14PM by Dick Morgan. |
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Re: Name one other motorsports organization.....
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OG
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The management of Full Pull will benefit from the growth in interest in the sport. The more "fans" they get to watch and/or gamble on the sport the better their business will do. Pullers and management interests are aligned.
The management of the NTPA benefits from creating classes, events of any level, and competitors. The more memberships and sanctioning fees they generate the better they do. Growing viewership is not really their goal. Grand National level pullers interests and NTPA management interests are not aligned. |
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