06:51:25pm, Saturday, March 14, 2026
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fort recovery
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wow ntpa and whomever is in charge of the fort, you cancel the pull, with a "chance" of rain. it is just as likely to be out of there before start time, as it is likely to rain. Not even trying, several hours before, is another example of piss poor leadership and decision making. what a joke. You better hope it rains, so you can save face. |
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I was there
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,785 |
It had rained. Got there about when they pulled the plug. Skies were grey, but the hour by hour on weather.com showed less than 50% for each hour thru Friday. It did not rain for the 45 minutes I was there, nor did I encounter any on the trip back to the Indy area.
If it did rain, then ok. If not, I feel they could have had the pull. I've seen much worse. |
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Re: I was there
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just when you think that you couldn’t see anything dumber NTPA canceled the pull because of rain and it didn’t rain. wow just wow. this stinks like the promoter getting paid for rain insurance sure stinks of that, now doesn’t it. going to be tough to defend this, but the pullers will need to be the ones to make the waves. |
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In the 40+ years I have attended the Fort, they have never put too much effort into having a pull after rain. Insurance money is probably better. Oh well 
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,785 |
Some vehicles were in haulers, and I don't know everyone's hauler, but at least 11 of the 14 entered unlimiteds are there. Unsure if Purser, Leischner, or Fintak are there. I believe there are at least 11 on the grounds in both SS classes. Again, some may be in the haulers and I couldn't tell whose haulers they were.
Btw, this will be the largest SSD FWD class ever. 27 entries I believe. |
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Just Sayin’
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To me, as many rainouts as there’s been this year, plus some mechanical failures (sleds), you gotta give it a shot. If it rains, it rains. Pullers have sat at the scales or in the hot pit and been stuck in the rain before (most of this year). You just have to give it go.
NTPA has been making a lot of mistakes in their decision making this year |
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Re: I was there
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the bottom line is the NTPA canceled a pull because of rain and it did not rain. That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen and if you wonder why the sport doesn’t grow this is why. to me the promotor collected rain insurance money, go ahead get on here and defend yourself whoever you are? it takes a real man to apologize to everyone, saying i took the money, instead of putting on a pull…at least you would be telling the truth. pull would be half over right now, no rain… |
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Re: I was not there
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r u sure
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Prove that it was some NTPA official(s) that cancelled session 1, rather than the Fort promotion group or its chairman or committee.
Same with the other pulls this year that had a rain cancel. |
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Re: I was not there
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,785 |
If it was the promoter, one way to end this is for the contract to have a clause specifying in the event of inclement weather, the final decision to cancel the pull rests with NTPA, (or PPL, or Outlaws). The TWDs still haven't had a points hook. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2025 01:47PM by The Original Michael. |
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Clueless
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For somebody who knows so much about everything in pulling and has such opinions on things, you sure are oblivious and clueless to most anything that isn’t simply a vehicle hooked to the sled. Ever read an event contract to see how it works? Rain clauses, how much your on the hook to pay for if canceling X hours before an event? Or What your required to pay for if the show gets stated and rained out? No you haven’t or you wouldn’t make a dumb “what I would do” statement |
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r u sure
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Hey Clueless, since you apparently are so, so, so knowledgeable, why do you not educate us what a current NTPA contract says about a situation like we just experienced with the Fort?
In the past, normally the promoter (that can include several executive people from that group) makes the final decision which is usually after consultation with the sanctioning body officials. Thus, it is a mutual agreement to cancel an event/session. But maybe things have changed in the current contracts, since we live in an environment of "change" anymore. |
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Re: I was not there
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So, how much rain insurance and amount did fort recovery ha had some many rain outs this year?
Promoter makes the call. NTPA can give input? People at ntpa and fort are dumb? Most promoters don't carry rain insurance. Sounds like Friday suck because it either rained x number of an inch and they got paid OR it didn't rain, so no rain insurance Consider when it rains the biggest problem might not be the track. Public and pit parking might be main reason. Water on pit roads, scale and staging areas can be under water. On my tour This year ran 4 hooks sky opened up Promoter canceled. No waiting. Wasn't going to work the track. Event over. One fan wanted to know about rain date. Fairs don't usually had them because call nights are usually contracted. Another even canceled by NTPA notification at 8 am. Track under water, no pull. Beer garden and fair closed that night. If it looks like rain will that hamper turn out? How long should a fan wait to see an evening session. Promoter told me having people sit in a Grandstand for over an hour past the scheduled start time is not cost effective for his fair. I did sit in entry trailer at the fort back when pull was called off. Pit area, Banners, sound system all gone, just me in the cope/skoal trailer enjoying an incredible night, by my self until one hour after the scheduled time. WE called event hours before. Before internet and had five people sitting in the top row of the bleachers. I told them no pull. They responded we didn't think you were gonna have it... |
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So, how much rain insurance and amount did fort recovery ha had some many rain outs this year?
Promoter makes the call. NTPA can give input? People at ntpa and fort are dumb? Most promoters don't carry rain insurance. Sounds like Friday suck because it either rained x number of an inch and they got paid OR it didn't rain, so no rain insurance Consider when it rains the biggest problem might not be the track. Public and pit parking might be main reason. Water on pit roads, scale and staging areas can be under water. On my tour This year ran 4 hooks sky opened up Promoter canceled. No waiting. Wasn't going to work the track. Event over. One fan wanted to know about rain date. Fairs don't usually had them because call nights are usually contracted. Another even canceled by NTPA notification at 8 am. Track under water, no pull. Beer garden and fair closed that night. If it looks like rain will that hamper turn out? How long should a fan wait to see an evening session. Promoter told me having people sit in a Grandstand for over an hour past the scheduled start time is not cost effective for his fair. I did sit in entry trailer at the fort back when pull was called off. Pit area, Banners, sound system all gone, just me in the cope/skoal trailer enjoying an incredible night, by my self until one hour after the scheduled time. WE called event hours before. Before internet and had five people sitting in the top row of the bleachers. I told them no pull. They responded we didn't think you were gonna have it... |
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now it’s official, probably the first time ever a pull got canceled because of rain and it didn’t rain, no severe warnings, nothing… the biggest scam ever. i hope the pullers stand up to this promoter and make their voices heard. |
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OG
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1st time ever??? I have been involved in the sport since the early 80's. The "rain out" due to the threat of low gate receipts is nothing new at all. I have driven 500 miles to have a pull canceled because of just this situation more times than I can count. Many take a small hit financially (driving to compete without compensation) so that 1 (the promoter) doesn't take a massive financial beating. |
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Astonishing
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Wild to me with all these accusations about how it “didn’t rain at all” and “I feel they should have had the pull” or brow beating over what you thought was a mistake. Did any of you know not all morons see the pictures and videos Full Pull posted? No, apparently not. I saw standing water, side by sides with mud packed in the treads, haulers with mud up the sidewalks of their tires. Etc. So obviously it rained. And I wasn’t there when it happened. Maybe some of us have more than two piss ant brain cells unlike those who are spouting off that have never had to make a rain decision or some sort of decision that costs a lot of money. |
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Registered: 02/23/2012 Posts: 590 |
The weather is so fickle right now that you can’t trust the forecast and can’t trust the radar, in the past month I’ve seen many downpours fall apart before getting to my place here in Urbana, so unless it’s raining at start time you better not cancel and even then it can still happen, heck Union county had there pull tonight and it was still raining 30 minutes after start time |
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Fan 2
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When I arrived around 3:00 pm it was raining sideways! Not sure where the no rain is coming from? There was an inch of water laying on the track. They were out there working on the track at 11:00 pm and it still looked pretty wet to me. |
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Smart A$$
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Why didn't they use a tarp? |
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they were out working the track at 11? i find that ironic, because it stopped raining at around 4pm and hadn’t rained since. point made, promoter took the insurance money, instead of letting the pull happen. pull got canceled because of “inclement weather” forecasted, it was carefully crafted, in the statement. It didn’t rain at all. scam |
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Re: fort recovery
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Scott Frieders
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John have you ever put on a pull yourself? Have you ever had to make hard decisions that would affect pullers and their millions of dollars in equipment? Have you ever been part of all the logistics that it takes to put on a pull? Apparently not judging by your comments. If you have all the answers why don’t you lend a hand get on a pull committee. As someone who has had to be apart of canceling grand national sessions before it’s not easy. Obviously I wasn’t there so I can’t say but I’m sure they just didn’t cancel the pull for the heck of it. |
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r u sure
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John, according to NTPA Results, Fort Friday night (session 1) lists 24 TWD with distances. How did that happen if no pulling, according to you, took place there Friday night??? |
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,785 |
Because they ran that class today with S2. |
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Posts: 1,278 |
You do know that you can collect on your rain insurance policy AND still have a tractor pull that same night, right? Brent Yaron Hooked Up Pulling Productions hookeduppullingproductions@gmail.com |
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Re: fort recovery
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That tarp post still gets me people think pulling is just the 300 foot in front of them me or anyone else that has a competitive tractor does not want to drag our stuff through mud in the puts then pull out on track and as soon as you let off the clutch throw mud everywhere and suck it up a turbo |
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NTPA, what are you doing?
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Just Sayin’
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Just like Tomah, NTPA ran 2 RN classes before GN classes - with rain coming. Knowing that things can be moved around (session 2 for example - moved up 30 min and added 2WD), can they not have made adjustments to session 3 pull order??? |
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Re: NTPA, what are you doing?
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mc
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it is very very very ehfing annoying. |
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Re: NTPA, what are you doing?
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bri_n15
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This one is no-win situation…
With tracks that had just been stripped after heavy rains, if they had adjusted the order and put GN classes on first and it turned out to still be too greasy/wet for a good show, everyone would be griping about that. So they run a couple small classes of light/limited pros to help work the track in before the GN guys, and everyone is griping about that. (which…btw…worked because the tracks were great when the next classes came up) Fact is, the rains came anyway so it didn’t matter. This wasn’t the same scenario where it got “too late” where GN classes got punted because they wasted time running Regional classes; they weren’t getting this show in anyhow. Probably wouldn’t even have finished the first set of classes if they had tried running GN first… You could talk about just continuing to pull as the afternoon session finishes and starting right into the evening classes while the weather was good…but now you’re screwing fans that wanted to just coming in for the evening session. Then if it ends up NOT raining, those fan show up and find out it’s already over and they missed it. They did the best they could…but there are just only a limited number of buttons a promoter/organization can do. Rainouts suck…but pulls, dirt tracks, etc. were getting cancelled everywhere all weekend. Not much anyone can do about it…except complain. |
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Re: NTPA, what are you doing?
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Face in crowd
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It may or may not have been a factor this time. But the fact remains that promoters and/or organizations continue to screw up their pulling orders by offering their best classes at the very end. It is oh so stupid to run your best classes in front of 1/2 to 1/4 of your original crowd! We have one organization in the plains that is notorious for this. Sad! |
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Re: fort recovery
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Registered: 04/13/2014 Posts: 456 |
Pic of the track from Friday, I wasn’t there in person (friend of mine sent it to me). I was there Saturday night in person and I can confirm it rained, because I got wet! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2025 03:17AM by Stretch. |
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Re: fort recovery
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,922 |
I think that if there's any doubt that the promoter may not be able to get the entire show in because of inclement weather then national classes should always run first. I enjoy regional classes as much as anyone, however the show is a Grand National event, therefore national classes should always take priority. I believe some national classes had started to run after the regional classes and the national classes got rained out. Better time management would have help get more national classes completed. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2025 06:36AM by Dick Morgan. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 790 |
So what order should have been chosen given identical weather conditions with a green track reworked post S2 rains that was finally ready at posted S3 start time, the same 16 runs/per track time frame, the need to set that in motion by 5pm so teams can prepare and scale into staging in an efficient way to maximize runs, and avoid both SS classes running together with a competitor double entered for the championships?
CP |
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FansOnly
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The big tire RN classes, helped to run in the track to give the GN classes a better show. The rains came at a point where the track and the entire venue could no longer take on anymore water.
With the mentality that GN classes should always run first. You're gonna be putting on a very piss poor program 90% of the time. Especially if you think Mini Rods or Mods can run in the grease.... It takes a big tire class like a Super Farm, Lim Pro or the like to stir up a track, and make it better for the smaller lug classes that have higher wheel speed. |
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OG
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Here is the reality of tractor pulling. If there were a large crowd waiting to get in an hour prior to the scheduled start, they would have delayed the start an hour and made some kind of track out of that. Seen it done many times. Since no one was lined up they made the easy call to cancel. It wasn't a wrong decision, I don't blame the promoter either way. It's just the way it is. |
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You are not going to have people lined up at the gate 3 hours before a pull. Many were not even done working at 4:00 on Friday. |
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