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Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Earl F.
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If 8000 lb Triple Bypass ran against a GN 10000 lb pro stock, who wins (pro on the 24.5 tires they normally run)?
Would the hp and torque be enough to offset the extra ton the pro has? |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,766 |
Full pull combos them at canfield and tp has won but the gn pros are at stark |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Cc
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All the top diesel supers wipes the floor with any pro dss make another 700-1000 hp and 2000 more ftpb of tq not taking away from how cool pros are but it’s been done multiple times and Dss always comes out on top. For example when bone twister came to Gordy like in 2015 when it was new he put 10 feet on the pro stocks and weighed 8,200 vs 10,200 I talk to him after the pass said he didn’t want more weight it wouldn’t help him get his setup right he was testing for Louisville. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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ummm
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Patches = What is "tp"?
CC = PS technology and horsepower/torque has increased substantially since "2015" - thus I believe your statement as applied to today is false. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Cc
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How? Today 2025 supers make almost 1000 more up then a pro?? Again you put the best pro vs the best dss and it’s a wash the pros gonna be behind 20ft take a mid range pro and mid range super and the pros are behind 10ft dss woth dss at 8200 and pros at 10,200 like I said dss wipes the floor with a pro all day |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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FUNNYGUY
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You’re delusional if you think in modern times that the top pro stocks aren’t gonna wax the supers asses. Turbo technology has came so far that the single turbo limit isn’t as much of a disadvantage anymore, combine that with the pros having a substantially bigger motor and then the weight. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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My Thinking
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I would tend to agree with that thinking..To settle things it sure would be fun to see Ross's DSS go up against Simons or Masterson's 10 Pro tractors.. The Atlantic Pro Pulling league has pulled a combo class for awhile but it looks like its dying...The Pros weigh 10,000 and the Alky and DDS tractors weigh 9,500..The Pros have pretty much dominated..Of course the horsepower levels are different there..Heres a 2025 video with only 3 tractors in the class.. [www.youtube.com] |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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mc
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the extra turbo's, even with less cubic inch will produce the inertia to run a gear to turn the wheels quicker with the 30.5s, the pro's shud not be able to compete, oh and don't forget about the extra chunks in the box that the pro's don't have to drag. So many scenarios. If it is pro's with 30's at pro weight against supers with super sled setting etc etc the supers win unless they burn the tires off, so where next, a situation where the supers get to run at pro sled weight, as long as they don't burn em off the line the supers win, the majority, i can only assume, cuz i don't know, need some R n D to finish that equation, but it does not accomplish anything to know, it is apples n oranges, it's just an AWESOME MOTORSPORT that's fun to watch, kept alive by fantastic people called farmers. |
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Registered: 04/06/2008 Posts: 989 |
Well said mc! |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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maybe
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Agree with this thinking and wanted to add a little to it. Seen this debate several times and never understand why the weight is not taken into account. How can you compare an 8k set-up to a 10k set-up? Seen LSS’s that didn’t weigh-up run HSS and as soon as the box tops out, they spin out (regardless of how strong they are). To me it's the same situation with 8-10k. Sure, there are exceptions to that here and there, track conditions, who is in the class, etc. If you want to really compare them, they need to be set-up at the same weight and tire size. In other words, what would happen if you dropped a top tier SS engine in a PS chassis or a top tier PS engine in SS chassis and competed in these respective classes (gearing as such adjusted as needed of course)? If the dyno numbers are as close as people say here, it should be pretty close for either scenario? It also says that the extra 140 cubes PS have offsets the extra air the SS’s have, is that true? Realize there are a few areas out there that almost have this competition scenario, but not quite and sounds like these places don’t have a balance of top tier SS’s/PS’s competing? Don’t have anything to back this up, but “feel” the SS engine would way out pace the PS engine even-up like this, but who knows? Like stated above, it really doesn’t matter, just good debate leading up to the big show this weekend. Safe travels everyone. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,766 |
Applying backwards Wilkins hooked ss with 30s a few times
1988,maybe or close to thst.had some very good hooks,made pulloff a few times to. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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A sled operator should be able to tell you . |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,766 |
Shoulda been tb for triple bypass.both classes have went up.were speaking of 1 ss tr too,not the class average |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Cc
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I’m delusional?? lol no I’ve seen the dyno numbers the best running pro stocks are 5200hp a good running dss is making 5500hp Ross is making 6000 hp so ether way a pro is gonna be behind a little bit or a whole lot lol “but it’s a bigger motor” hahaha |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Dyno sheeter
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You’ve seen Ross’s dyno sheet? What pro have you seen at 5200? The sled operator would probably be the best guesser on this subject if ross has the top pro covered. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Registered: 12/26/2019 Posts: 144 |
I would think that a sled operator could answer this question. They know what it takes to stop both tractors.
That said, just my opinion, but Tinker Toy weighing 10K, and Triple Bypass weighing 8k .....................I'm betting on Tinker Toy. |
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Registered: 02/23/2012 Posts: 590 |
I believe 5200 on a top pro is old news, I think 5500 is more realistic, as far as who wins I’d like to think it would be the pro, but I believe it would depend on track conditions and who was running on kill |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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mc
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and what sled setting are you going with |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,766 |
Didn't chris Cain hook his ps in ss at ss weight a complete season a few years ago ?. |
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Posts: 374 |
Yes and if I am not mistaken finished 5th or 6th in points. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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Otto
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5 or 6th in points just means he made all the hooks. How did he compare against the actual DSS tractors on the track? Even, 10 feet back, 50 feet back? |
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Posts: 374 |
Yes. I agree completely and probably should've elaborated on why I mentioned that. It speaks more to the low numbers and reliability in the DSS class at that point and time. |
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Posts: 374 |
Your comment got me curious on what the actual number were that year. I was incorrect and he actually finished 3rd in points with 5-4ths and 2-5ths. Average distance behind the leader was 55.957 ft. The biggest being 96.535 ft at Rockwell session 5 with Travis being at 319.790 and Chris at 223.255. The closest being 20.54 at Dodge City Session 1 with Steve Blagrave at 309.125 and Chris being at 288.585. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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My Thinking
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I was just looking at the Napoleon,Ohio NTPA 10 Pro results ...I see that Simon put 40 ft on Chris Cains tractor....Cain wasnt that far behind some real good tractors and he beat several good ones.....That might put Simon close to the top DSS tractors...
SSD was also at Napoleon with Ross and Payne putting 30 ft on the 3rd place tractor...It would be fun to see Ross at 8,000 and Simon at 10,000 but that will never happen. |
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Re: Triple Bypass vs pro stock: who wins?
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TAP
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Taking HP out of it and simply talking about weight and tire size differences don't forget this Fk = μk × N
Fk = kinetic friction force μk = coefficient of kinetic friction N = normal force 2000 pounds is a big difference when calculating kinetic or even static friction. Using simple numbers of N=10,000 for Pro Stocks and 8,000 for supers the wider tire would have to provide a greater co-efficient of friction. Let's say the μk is 1 for pros, then the Fk would be 10,000. In order for the supers to have the same or more you'd have to have the μk of the wider tires to be 1.25 so 25% greater friction. Now based on what I've seen both classes are full throttle by 50-100 feet on a smooth pass so are either class really "overpowering" their tires? I don't know. For arguments sake let's say the tires can handle all the power you can make then is comes down to acceleration or deceleration (momentum). This is what carries the sled through increased resistance at the end of the track. That's why top speed is generally a very good predictor of distance. F=MA, again at 8000 pounds you'd have to deceleration resistance that is 25% greater than at 10,000 pounds. That's when you can start talking about HP and what speed difference that HP can give you. 
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