06:14:29am, Wednesday, April 15, 2026
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With all the controversy why in the heck should Epperson be allowed to compete. And be paid by ntpa. Seems a conflict of interest to me . Napoleon ohio gn minis |
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Out of the loop
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What's the controversy about, haven't heard ? |
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HP
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Heck, if I had the chance, I'd drive a mini!!!
It would have to be exhibition, because my fat butt would never make weight. |
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thinking
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Jojo, if that in your eyes is a real issue, then it should have been with Richwine in the same likewise situation.
And if it is an issue with Epperson, then in your line of reasoning, if it can even be called that, then his tire cutting business is a conflict. And if that is true, then Vaughn Bauer as a WPI board member should not be supplying the pulling sleds, let alone when his kid is pulling how many different pulling vehicles in how many different classes hooked to his dad's sled, even when dad is the sled operator. And let's go a little further. Then it is a conflict of interest for Chase Richardson, who is a multi-class vehicle puller and Jason Schultz (Remedy tractor), who are the owners of FullPullLive, when there are plenty of independent videographers and photographers who really know how to adequately promote the pulling sport. And in your thinking Jojo, then Bob Barbee and Kevin Campbell and Brent Payne and Les Korporal, all whom build pulling vehicles, should not be allowed to pull their own vehicle. |
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We put the tractor together this year as a way to test some new products not yet for sale. It has just worked out that we have not run it ourselves. Tim Rea started the year with it and the intention was for him to run it all year. He had some other things come up and not able to complete the season. He helped build the tractor and always has first shot to run it. If for some reason we need parts off of it for the other two tractors, it will be used for that. We started swapping drivers around at chapel hill and have had reasonable success with that. It is a learning tool for us and having multiple drivers has actually helped us to work on our setups. I have driven it at an ostpa event doing tire testing. It will be giving up its tires this week so i can try and track down an issue that has arose with mine.
I spoke to Marvin about everyone driving at rockwell, and told him he could run it if he wanted. He took me up on the offer and personally I was happy to see him get down the track on a nice smooth run. He has a competition license like any other driver and is eligible to drive in competition because of that. Doing things like that helps give a different perspective not normally seen by officials. This will continue as we want lindsey to focus on her tractor only and i need to sort out either my terrible driving or tractor issue. This part of what we do is our hobby. We want to do good but we also want to have fun with it. There is a good chance that you will see a couple more drivers this week. Possibly one that normally drives a pro and a driver from another mini team if we can convince him to try it. Also….. it is available for sale so, who knows who will be driving for sure . |
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Curious?
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What’s “all the controversy”? Because at a regional or grand National event, there hasn’t been any besides the weather. So what if Marvin made a pass in somebody else’s ride. He would have been a fool not to. That same mini had two other drivers in Rockwell that weren’t the owner or team member. Again, what’s the difference? Does anybody remember we’re supposed to enjoy this as a hobby? Marvin being director of technical services, yes his official job title, has no conflict with being a driver. Obviously there was enough event staff to handle things. Do you have half a clue how many other guys compete yet are tech officials, board members, sled operators, track builders etc? And 90% of those guys doing both were competitors long before they went to work for ANY sanction body. Now all of a sudden it’s a conflict and they aren’t allowed to pull? Make that make sense. We’re allllllll waiting. |
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Registered: 08/16/2021 Posts: 498 |
If any of you actually watched the pull Saturday night you'd know that it was an exhibition pass. Or at least that's what was said during the livestream. |
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Bad News Travels Fast
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Since when was it announced that it was an exhibition pass? Especially in the middle of a class and not at the end???? This doesn't make any sense.
In the drivers meeting Marvin simply stated that he was running the mini. Several guys looked at one another like we all knew this was a conflict of interest. I'm all for more tractors, more pullers. But to have to the one guy in the entire NTPA that enforces the rules to be on track... Now you can't put the stuffing back in. Nobody ever cheats in tractor pulling, ever. Say there was a protest (never happens) there would be tractors that would not be teched nearly as hard... The Campbells are very nice and standup folks from what I can tell. I am glad they put another mini on the track and glad they gave Marvin a shot. But I'm sure the pullers that pulled after Marvin would have appreciated to know that it was an exhibition pass and not one for points. Marvin hooked number 11 in a class of 21. According to the NTPA page, that tractor is running for GN points and got 15 points at Napoleon. Exhibition......right |
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It was not an exhibition pass. He pulled that tractor and that tractor earned points for the night. Brent Yaron Hooked Up Pulling Productions hookeduppullingproductions@gmail.com |
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Devils Advocate
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Don't you need a competition license to earn points? |
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 803 |
He paid his as an assistant driver under Campbell's Team just as I could. Who knows, maybe I just will this weekend. There's nothing to all of this. He went for a lap and good for him.
CP |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,935 |
Way too much about nothing. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 803 |
I agree. Larry has driven in the past and so has official Scott Doty plus I am sure many others unheralded for doing so. We had some fun with it with Lindsey dressing as him when he came out on the track. It was funny and we all appreciated the circumstance. I would rather they sample what they govern by putting themselves on the line. It can only ever make them better at their job.
BTW, that is the R&D machine of the 3 for them and the Campbells themselves have not driven it at all in 2025. It's been Tim Rea, Kodey Singletary, Brandon Simon, Jeremy Yeager, and now Marvin. If you lost points to it, that isn't their fault. CP |
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Agreed
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I agree entirely. It’s not like Marvin is making his bid at a national points race. |
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Just a opinion
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He paid his as an assistant driver under Campbell's Team just as I could. Who knows, maybe I just will this weekend. There's nothing to all of this. He went for a lap and good for him.
I do not intend to offend anyone. Respect is something you earn by what you say or do over time. You can spend your whole life building respect to only blow it up in 5 seconds. Just because you could does not mean you should. This type of issue is not unique to NTPA but exists all the way from your local pulling organizations to the top (3). How leadership deals with it will tell us the type of people they are. Not saying anything will also be telling us something. Leadership is about respect, integrity and all things that go with that like communication, a vision, etc. Leadership is not about what you can or could do but is about what you should do. What is at the core of truck and tractor pulling? I have reached the conclusion that it's the competition. If you don't think so I challenge you to evaluate all the other things that everyone thinks of as being important take them away and can you still have a competition? A lot of them the answer is yes although it may not be as good or financially sound. Someone is going to say what about the sled? It's part of the competition just like the pulling vehicle and driver That does not mean all the other things aren't very important because they are. If you can agree with that why would you do anything that has the potential of being seen as negative to your core? I am anxious to hear people's thoughts. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 803 |
Not following your slippery-slope absolutism. Explain. CP |
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Just a opinion
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Charles,
I appreciate your response. As I said I do not intend to offend anyone. I am not sure what you are asking for. Which part of what I said is a slippery slope and which part reflected absolutism? Since everybody thinks it's a big to know a name mine is Kevin Wade |
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 803 |
Thank you Kevin. It's a pleasure. I respect that a lot.
Looking over it again, and you can correct me on this and I would welcome it, what you meant was not what I initially read. By core you were referring back to a principle of competition. Marv's lap is to be perceived as anathema to purity or objective observation or judgement. I hope I have that right. I do see your point, but do stand by my observation that he should find out about what he passes judgement on. It in informs him just as it would me. Thanks again and I apologize if I came off wrong. This is what this place should be. CP |
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Face in crowd
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And that's what you have done with your silly posts and overly sensitive feelings. |
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I trust Marvin and Sleds to do the right thing. I don't question their authority.
They have operational control of the event. Full pull, builders and those mentioned don't have control of the event. My opinion is that once announced at the drivers meeting, Marvin relinquished his role as Official for that class. And the event overall until the completion of that class. It's not a big deal. But a tech official should have been identified to handle the class. Sled resets, decisions effecting points, protests, etc for that session would be out of Marvin's hands. I think a one off hook is not great but not controversial. Any other involvement would take an official out of their role for the rest of the points season. ROCK ON TO PULLTOWN. NOTE: Exhibition runs can only be made prior to or following the class. NEVER DURING A RUN FOR POINTS. |
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