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Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,917 |
I'm always amazed to see classes keep writing rules that split the class that they pull in. The Lt.PS is allowed in PPL to run component chassis and NTPA rules are locked in until 2026, the SF have different rules in all 3 organizations, in 4.1 there is talk about allowing component chassis, and the LLSS is such a mess with every organization writing their own rules, be it weight, turbos, cubic inch etc. The class has such potential to some day be a national class yet they can't agree on almost anything. And we wonder why the sport won't grow. How can it grow when the pullers can't think outside their own wants. Their own sandbox. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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LBB
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I just thought I'd clear the air with the LLSS. LLSS already has a national set of rules, the only thing thats holding them back from being a GN class is NTPA/ PPL. The rules are formed, the tractor count is where it needs to be, and they put on a duel of the fuels show that is needed to fill the void for the lacking numbers in current super stock classes. Its time to bring LLSS to the big stage in 2026. But I do agree, there are lots of different rules for LLSS across the country but at least there are national rules that are currently in place. |
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Markg
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LLSS class should never be a GN class. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,917 |
I totally disagree, the LLSS put on a great show. They make good HP, the dance around the track and are very entertaining. I can think of several classes that are so short on numbers I always wonder why a promoter would choose them. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,784 |
One primary question that NTPA should address is what should a Grand National class be? Which classes meet those criteria?
Hot Farm? Classic SS? 4.1? LLSS? I'd say no to all but it would be interesting to get feedback. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2025 09:07AM by The Original Michael. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,917 |
And the other question is what GN classes should be eliminated? Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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Dude
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I've watched more GN pulls this year than ever on thanks to Full Pull Live, and as bad as I hate to say it, but if we're being honest here, both the diesel and alcohol SS classes have been disappointing at times when it comes to the tractors in the class that actually run. I hate to pick on them, but compared to the other GN classes, they put on the least consistent show. I am not suggesting they shouldn't be a GN class, but I am saying as a promoter I'd probably rather have a single turbo tractor or truck (1500+ hp) class in there place. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,763 |
As big of a ss fan as I was at one time,its went slowly downhill,and agree if I had to get rid of one it would be ss,and replace it easily with a llss..on the other hand do llss pullers really want to follow that schedule,or stay mostly on a local type travel schedule. Id bet if bg hooked em it would be the biggest number of hooks in a class in bgs history,and yes more than 72 sf |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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Puller
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Patches I am a LLSS puller I will have to agree with you I don’t think the guys in this class would want to drive that much but I think at every GN pull you would have 15 to 20 but they would not be the same ones every time but at the big name pulls there would be a lot more and at BG every body would show up |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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Puller
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The LLSS class is a good class I am not sure it is ready to be a GN class yet we need to get all organizations on the same page and we are so close NO COMPONENT and keep the motor in stock location then it’s time to start talking GN class there could be 50 plus tractors at BG |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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Registered: 07/06/2017 Posts: 432 |
LLSS is all but doomed. The rules seem to get changed at the drop of a hat, heck, NTPA changed them several times last winter. Couple Kentucky groups are flung component, Can’t get turbos to hold up. Small rear ends are having a hard time holding the power with the evolution of new tires. The class, like many others has about out ran it’s original intent. |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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Ask us about "updating"
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They need to "update" and go light superstock! |
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Registered: 04/06/2008 Posts: 989 |
I agree Cody. Technology has pushed these rearends far beyond what they can handle |
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Badgerfan
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I love the LLSS class, if I ever went bigger it is one I would look at. But... It is not a GN class. No one can agree on rules and the show quality completely depends on the track and sled setting. One day they look fantastic the next day they struggle to move the sled. Light pro or Limited pro would be a better show for GN then LLSS but... I also disagree that they are a GN class. All 3 were created for the state regional local level to help boost numbers and improve local show quality.
We need to fix the problems in the current classes instead of promoting or creating more to GN to help it survive. GN is supposed to be the biggest and best classes that you can't see every day, every where else, at every local fair, or ffa event. State and regional should be your smaller classes with a bit of cross over. Why would a local fan travel an hour or 2 or more for a Tomah or BG when they can go to a Baraboo or Weyawega and see the same classes? I am not picking on events here I am pointing out a issue. Why would someone low budget build to pull local when they have to compete against the few that can afford grand national quality equipment or grand national level pullers on a regular basis. We always ask where all the tractors or trucks went, we pushed them out because they can't afford to run. They don't even have anywhere to drop back to anymore if they can't afford to run GN but still want to run. There was a day where there were rule differences between the GN, Regional, and State level classes to keep them fair, more affordable, and to keep GN the biggest and best show but for what ever reason that went away and now there is no difference. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,917 |
Badgerfan, great post, thanks. The part that I take issue with is the part where "we need to fix the classes that are GN". Unfortunately we are past the point of fixing OSS and DSS, the only fix is to combine them, and the NTPA is never going to go down that road. And if a class ( LLSS, Lt.PS, 4.1) is going to be added a GN class needs to be dropped. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Registered: 02/19/2009 Posts: 551 |
I wonder what rules would apply for GN LLSS class ? We see that aftermarket heads allowed on some clubs , we got components, let's see does anyone need something else? So this means the National Rules won't work or needs a rewrite. I think sometimes common sense goes by the wayside, If everyone wants unified rules you gotta stick with one set. David Runkle |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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lewis c
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THE LLSS CLASS IS STARTING TO PRICE ITSELF OUT |
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Europe has a limited SS class
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plb
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Having seen the Eurpoean class of limited supers develop over the last several years, It has turned into a great class over there. Rules are about the same as the Super Stock class exept they can only run 1 turbo charger. The weight is the same as the SS class as well. Check it out. |
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Re: Europe has a limited SS class
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Carlsson
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I'm not 100% sure, but I guess there are a bit more restrictions for the LimSS, alike that they've to apply stock cylinder head as basis, limited to 8.1L.
But anyway, a great class to learn the hooded alky business (several with EFI). |
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Re: Why do hooded tractors keep splitting?
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.02 cents
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Because everybody spent too much money and they all feel like they deserve to win because they spent some money. So when they can't win they just go and create a class that they think they can win. Cant wait to see who wins the super-pro-economy-unilimited-2wd-hot stock shopping cart title next year |
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It's not just in pulling
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,784 |
Over in NHRA, there have been a bunch of funny car explosions this year, with many split bodies.
It happened again to Ron Capps yesterday. Even though he has a major sponsor in NAPA, in his interview afterward he expressed concern for the expense of having to get yet another funny car body. There have been lots of supercharger explosions. Different form of motorsport, but it illustrates how the quest for more hp is nearing the limit, whether in a turbocharged diesel tractor or nitro funny car. |
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