04:20:07am, Thursday, April 16, 2026
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Component chassis ruining pulling
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Registered: 08/22/2019 Posts: 145 |
The last thread about Lt Pros and 4.1 Limited Pros and having component chassis brought up a point. Once you go component, what is left of an actual tractor? Maybe the hood and fenders? A component tractor is custom built front to back. You don't even have to start with a tactual tractor. You can build it from scratch. Currently the 4.1's are a non-component tractor. So how much more of them is an actual tractor, not much. Yes they still have a cast rear housing, but it's filled with all aftermarket parts. There is still very little actual tractor in it. Yes I am sure there are a couple parts here and there that are off of tractor, But a 4.1 still isn't a ag tractor. The thing is custom built front to back, just like a component tractor is. And regardless of a tractor being component or not, they look the same to the average fan going down the track.
Something else that goes hand and hand with this is horsepower. Pullers, engine builders, chassis builders, etc. should all in a way, be pretty damn proud of themselves. The technology that is in some of these tractors is insane. Go back 20, or even 10 years. How far everything has come is incredible. Van Haisley told me one time that he remembers the first time he made over 1000hp on the dyno, he couldn't believe they were making that much power. And it's every class, trucks, minis, mods, Pro's, etc, they are all miles ahead of where they were years ago. Look at when the minis started going to planetary rear ends. The lightest class in pulling and they were creating too much power for them to hold together. I am not saying the 4.1's should be component. But I do understand if they do. We have done a very good job at testing the limits of these machines. And remember, when you fix the weak link, you find the next weak link. |
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Re: Component chassis ruining pulling
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nailed it!!!
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Thanks for pointing out that while some Ag chassis classes are still out there, they are essentially housings and nothing more. This is no longer the "tractor" some are attempting to cling to. That's just a fact.
Counterpoint: Drag racing started out with OE frames & parts and evolved to absolutely nothing OE now. Circle Track started out OE frames & parts and has evolved to absolutely nothing OE now. For those clinging to cast iron tractor beliefs.......how is the evolution of those two motorsports different from what we see in pulling today? Honestly I think the "no component chassis" argument is based on the fact that when you go this route, you take the balancing challenge (ballast weight) out of it and that's what has most people upset. Everyone gets the same ability due to common engine position. Mostly this is removing the one advantage every IH based tractor has, and letting everyone have it. Apparently that doesn't sit well with some people. Levelling the playing field is evil I guess. Lol! |
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Registered: 04/03/2016 Posts: 837 |
You might want to look at this first. [www.pulloff.com] Levelling the playing field is evil I guess. Lol! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2025 12:23PM by Jake Morgan. |
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Yes all men are created equel all tractors are not. Old man John Deere should have moved his engine forward Like old man IH did. Tractor pulling is not about tractor pulling anymore its its about a bunch of home made bull. Recently it was stated how tractor pulling was going no were, but monster trucks were booming. Make these tractors into two wheel drive trucks with monster truck rear tires. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2025 12:26PM by Dick Morgan. |
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Registered: 02/15/2020 Posts: 44 |
With the new trend of covering up everything with sheet metal, the only way to really tell a component from an ag chassis is by the rear wheel bolt pattern. At least from the stands.
I understand this is a hobby. No one puts value on their time, but if you did, the time saved and ease of service on a component chassis will save the end user money over the life of the tractor. I understand no one really wants to start from scratch, but you'd be kidding yourself if you think anyone running a competitive 4.1 couldn't afford a component chassis. On another note, if there were to suddenly be a handful of good ag chassis on the market, that may entice some people to enter into some of the more higher level beginners classes such as hot farms and 85 limited pro. |
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Interested Spectator
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What percentage of fans in the stands can tell if each tractor is a component or cast chassis? That is what truly matters, the fans!!. The fans are there to watch there favorite brand tractor compete for the win. The average fan not only doesn't know, but doesn't care if it has a factory rear end or factory engine. Component's have done a good job of adding color to every class that has allowed it, that is what the fans want to see. Pullers are entertainers and without fans there is no more places for the pullers to entertain. |
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You are wrong about the fans in the stand ive heard it for years they dont know the difference .Well they do its verry few that shows up to watch a pull that makes this there first rodeo Joe Blow that bought a 4440 John knows what the rear looks yes maybe the little farm boys girl friend like my wife was years ago dont know |
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Registered: 06/16/2017 Posts: 376 |
You are exactly right! I hear it all the time too. People that say the fans don’t know or care, gravely underestimate the fans. Components are fine for super stocks and big pros, but all this does is keep driving the cost up to keep making more power. Now that light and limited pros will be component, they need to just get them and the 5.0’s down to one class. 5.0’s and component 4.1’s makes no sense at all having both of them. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,782 |
Id agree too,most fans know a bit more |
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Re: Component chassis ruining pulling
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day later
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Haven't we had this argument before, Cast Iron VS component. Safety wise, Component wins, not so much of a deal in hotfarm. But when you get past 2000 HP or more, cast iron just doesn't work longterm. Better to build a component once, without cost of grinding out a bunch of cast Iron? And having a bull gear eat something and split a cast iron housing? I guessin which side the Insurance companies that insure pulls will come down on. |
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yep
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Shhhh!!! You can't go around telling tractor purists that a component is a smart investment and a wise choice from a safety and service/long term ownership standpoint! Are you crazy?!?! It's not a tractor........that's all you will hear (insert adequate sarcasm here). Lol!
It's amazing how virtually every other motor sport started with OE type stuff and as power and competition drove it, they evolved to better things - purpose built components from better materials and designs - to withstand what they were throwing at these vehicles. Why is a cast iron transmission and differential housing the hill some people want to die on? Makes zero sense. |
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Re: Component chassis ruining pulling
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Puller
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Not to mention there isn’t an endless supply of 1066 and 4430 rearends just laying around. Saw a tiktok where a guy said he spent better part of a year looking and only found 3 for his light limited. |
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Re: Component chassis ruining pulling
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Puller
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I think that was Jacob ohl with his 4.1 |
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Interested Spectator
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How long until they are doing recast rear ends? We have recast blocks and heads because the OEM parts wouldn't hold take the horsepower.
What is actually IH, JD, or FORD of a Light Pro engine? Is there any competitive tractors that are running an OEM block and/or head? Fans don't care about that, but will care about the rear end housing. Saying that components keep driving the cost up is wild. What has driven the cost up is the desire to win and keep building more horsepower. Turbochargers, Fuel systems, and Recast heads and blocks, these have driven up cost. Pullers will spend what ever it takes to have competitive horsepower. But some of them draw the line in the sand when it comes to updating technology on the chassis, that is baffling to me. |
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