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Dick Morgan
Should a tractor be called a JD, CaseIH, Fendt if the engine is a SBJD or BBJD ? Is it the sheet metal or the engine that makes the tractor. And yes pulling will never tell the fans what is really powering the tractor down the track. And before anyone says that the fans really don't care, I beg to differ, alot of fans really think it's a New Holland, Fendt, or any other off brand.

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O’Bryant
The most fair way to remedy this situation is to put a bore space limit and a deck height limit on them. This would take the advantage away from the bbjd and allow you to build a red or blue engine that was not at a disadvantage.

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Dick Morgan
So if all the engines are basically the same then why are almost PS puller running JD blocks?

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Dick Morgan
And that's the problem, 680 cubic inches is just plain ridiculous, granted nobody in the beginning of the class ever though that PS would be getting the HP that it is now, and 640 for SF and Lmt.PS is equally ridiculous. It's always comes back to terrible rules. However the question is still the same, engine or sheet metal?

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long timer
MG 1206, no the PS class was not created for JD. In the beginning, there was No Cubic Inch rules. Sometimes in the very beginning of NTPA, it was talked about but rarely enforced, usually only with the MM guys with their 800 motor told to put in the stock 504. Otherwise, cubes were overlooked.
it took a few years after NTPA sanctioned PS, that engine cubic inch rules in all the classes became a concern. I have stated on here, for many years, that the largest PS engine at that time was 680, so that became the PS standard.

And, MG, why should 540 be the magic number? Oh, that's right, that is a glorified red IH motor. And a gray Perkins V8. And what green and blue stock cube engine comes close to those cubes, in order to be competitive?

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avercusauto
So, this has been a discussion too many times on here. I want so bad for the engine to match the sheet metal. But at the end of the day, I do enjoy the different brands at an event. Even an IH with a deere block gives the red guys someone to cheer for. As for the 680 cubic inch limit that has also been talked about repeatedly. I do think there could be a way to remedy that. Give them some options. Something like 680ci weighs 10,000pds, 580, weighs 10,200pds, 480 weighs 10,400. All other rules like turbos, heads, injection stay the same. Everyone running a big block deere can keep doing what they do, anybody wanting to try something different, can.

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avercusauto
To Dick, I am not talking about running different classes together, but to give the ProStock class some engine options.

To MG1206, It will never work if you don't give it a shot or let it be an option. The cubic inch numbers and weight that I mentioned were just a simple example. You may have to adjust the weight to get everything to work. But it could work. Other classes and organizations have done it and it work.

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Lucky Stryke
Used to be rule in the truck classes that if the engine didn’t match the brand it had to say the engine type on the front fender in a certain size. I don’t know the exact rule but sure someone does. Ryan