Hinton results July 16, 2010 03:17PM
LSS: Crazytrain
4WD: Secret Weapon
DSS: Lost
Mod: River Rat
PS: Ace In The Hole
2WD: Straight Forward
SF: Extreme Pleasure



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2010 05:32PM by TH.
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Re: Hinton results July 16, 2010 05:33PM
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 04:18AM
Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * 2WD

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 Straight Forward Paul Musil 320.59 37
2 Gun Smoke Robert Zajicek 1929 T-Bucket 311.58 36
3 Serious Business Cole Zajicek 306.72 35
4 Grim Reaper Bob Martin 304.4 34
5 Buffalo's Chip Richard Morris 300.62 33
6 Jeepers Creepers Troy Warschkow 300.41 32
7 Super Mule Randy Hall 295.97 31
8 Murphy's Law Richard Mantz 293.25 30
9 Broke & Busted Randy Wendling 2009 Checy Calarado 291.32 29
10 Texas 2 Step Cole Zajicek 1926 T-Bucket 290.45 28
11 Humdinger Bryan Cobb 270.33 27
12 Missouri Gambler Bill Oberste 269.99 26
13 Junk Yard Jewel Nick Paulson 256.74 25



Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * 4WD

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 Secret Weapon Fred Blue 308.3 37
2 Agent Orange Tom Byers 297.67 36
3 Sneaky Snake /4wd Albert Kendrick 297.49 35
4 Redline Richard Clark 289.26 34
5 After Shock Darren Kriz 287 33
6 Black Magic (4WD) Joe Smeal 281.6 32
7 Fischer Nutz Ron Fischer 277.76 31
8 Nuttin Honey Nick Christensen 276.98 30
9 Foxy Lady Charlie Miller 2000 Chev 276.88 29
10 Bad Attitude Farrell Martin 275.45 28
11 Red Hot Dean Christensen 267.26 27
12 Dakota Thunder Dave Kriz 266.79 DQ 25.5
12 Stroker Dustin Ridder 271.22 DQ 25.5



Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * DSS

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 Lost Mark Ulmer 313.67 37
2 Stray Horse David Henderson 306.33 36
3 Road Gear Plus Jeff Parker 294.21 35
4 Smokin Hot Deere Jeff Demers 290.19 34
5 Hot Stuff Richard Cool 274.54 33
6 Anderson Farms David Anderson 267.64 32
7 Naughty By Choice Dale Sykes 1972 IH 1066 263.61 31
8 Red Alert Doug Baird 260.97 30
9 Little Green Toy Doug Nepper 260.16 29
10 Naughty By Nature Dennis Sykes 1972 IH 1066 243.83 28
11 Virgil's Dream Eugene Williams 206.33 0
12 Intimidator Matt Goodwin Case IH MX235 1 27



Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * LSS

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 Crazy Train Brad Bruhn 332.45 37
2 Deere Factor Shawn Wiens 323.28 36
3 Wild Fire Ervin Hake 317.35 35
4 Red Ink Glen Frese Case IH 210 284.59 34
5 Inferno Adam Atnip 2008 IH MX170 278.21 33
6 The Weapon Mark Ulmer 277.54 32
7 Hustler Gary Remmers 1972 Case 1070 276.07 31
8 Just For Fun Tom Scheffler 261.64 30
9 Crazy Horse Rod Psota 36.52 29
99 Channel Corn Scott Whitworth 0 SC 27
99 GreenLightning Frank Bohaboj 0 SC 27
99 Channel Soybean Junior Whitworth 0 SC 27



Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * MOD

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 River Rat Wayne Longnecker 321.27 37
2 Runnin On Empty Jeff Paulson 298.41 36
3 Boneyard Beast Jeff Geiger 296.07 35
4 Thermal Thunder Kyle Petsch T-55 Turbin 286.2 34
5 Turbinator Brett Behrends T55 Turbine 263.62 33
6 Sweet Pain Curt Ulmer 234.55 32
7 Lotta Dirt Justin Gallion 194.54 31



Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * PS

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 Ace In The Hole Jerry Ruhnow JD 8330 359.58 37
2 Unnatural Disaster Mason Hansen JD 5020 341.52 36
3 Wampuscat Rick Behrendt 330.82 35
4 Dirtslingn Deere David Yarick 2003 JD 8520 320.93 34
5 Southern Belle Jim Lindley IH 1466 310.64 33
6 Hillbilly Binder Jim Brackett 308.81 32
7 Hillbilly Express Jim Brackett 298.26 31
8 IH 1066 II ( Dennis ) Craig Dennis 296.57 30



Hinton IA * 7/16/2010 * SF

Position Vehicle Driver Description Distance Points
1 Extreme Pleasure Taylor VanBeek IH 1066 312.43 FP / 320.46 37
2 Magnum Force / SF Norm Kavan 322.01 FP / 319.7 36
3 Red Iron Robert Davison 1972 1066 International 317.71 FP / 312.44 35
4 Dakota Deere Allen Andrews 0 FP / 311.9 34
5 Someday Chad Weitzenkamp IH 314.23 FP / 310.3 33
6 Undone Josh Koepke JD 7810 304.81 FP / 309.65 32
7 Dream On Rodney Deck 305.37 FP / 304.56 31
8 One Bad Apple Bryan Deck 312.56 30
9 Deerestroyer Scott Holtgrew 312.29 29
10 Pride Of The Farm Steve Kavan 309.36 28
11 Red Rock Barry Haverhals IH 1466 307.71 27
12 Burnin' Bucks Mike Dunklau 306.55 26
13 Ultimate Muscle Rick Engelmeyer IH 303.99 25
14 Cornhusker Cadillac Bill Schmitt 303.08 24
15 Extreme Pleasure Unloaded Rod Dekam 302.14 23
16 Spanky's Toy Brett Roberts New Holland 302.09 22
17 Foxxy Farmall Brian Blankespoor 301.95 21
18 Gale Force Randall Blankespoor 299.89 20
19 JD 4455 Leonard Paulsen 299.57 19
20 Fire N Ice Duane Ehmen 1982 Case IH 3688 299.5 18
21 Let It Ride Dave Asmus 297.64 17
22 Farmers Foreplay Tim Lottman JD 7920 295.42 16
23 Unforgiven Jim Nebuda 290.71 15
24 Stray Pony Justin Nagel 288.82 14
25 Red Rascal Jon Wiekamp 284.56 13
26 Turbo Up John Platte 260.3 12
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 04:23AM
Don't understand how someone who goes 312.56 for 7th, 312.56 for 8th, 312.29 for 9th, or 309.36 for 10th all in Superfarm don't make pulloff especially when a 304.81 FP, 305.37 FP, and a 0 FP all make the pulloff. Maybe someone esle can shed light on the subject??
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 05:14AM
they run brackets to see who gets to go to the pull offs then they have a pull off with the top five or so
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 06:15AM
brackets of 5 based on pull order; winner of each to the pulloff. overall longest distance of the runners up also to the pulloff. with 26 hooks, # 26 (Andrews) auomatically wins his bracket being the only one and didn't have to hook the fist time. hopefully this helps clarify.
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 07:24AM
thanks
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 10:46AM
Does anyone else think that it's weird that they made a bracket rule because they didn't want the order of pull and number drawn to be such a big deal in large classes with changing track conditions, yet the guy who draws the 26th spot out of 26 is automatically in the pulloff? And does that mean he automatically "wins" at least 7th place money and points?

It would make more sense to bracket the remaining pullers in the last bracket-- meaning that in a class of 26, six would be in the last bracket.
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 11:34AM
yeah, it would make more sense if they put the 26th tractor into the last group. but then they argued that that wouyld not be fair to the final 6 competitors who would have to face an extra tractor then the rest of them. but then how is it fair then that he hes a free ride to the pull off. thats not fair at all that he only has to bump the sled. he should at least have to make a full pass. give use fans something to watch. we dont want to see someone make it automatically into the pull off just because he dru a lucky number.
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 01:00PM
He didn't even hook to the sled the first time only made the pulloff hook with a cool moter
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 03:03PM
yes at hinton,dokata deere never even hooked to the sled ,then was in the pulloff..the other times the guy at least pulled and then came back to the pulloff... think andrews was afraid to run twice..had a big advantage as he had a cool motor....
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 03:21PM
i'm guessing most others in the same situation wouldn't have hooked either
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Re: Hinton results July 18, 2010 10:22PM
A guy could hook and help figure out his weight and gear for pull-off or go with a cooler engine and that is what Dakota Deere did. Smart move you ask me and most would do the same thing. Its called luck of the draw and sometimes the number one puller in a class will make a half-ass attempt to pull and drop. At least he didnt just bump the sled and take up time for nothing. The puller the night before hooked instead of just going on to the pull-off and broke and couldnt come back for the pull-off.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 01:17AM
There's going to be some sort of unfairness involved when you're drawing a number to pull. I think the best way is to have the final group have to pull with the remaining puller. If you have 27 pullers, then the final TWO classes have six. And so on up to 30 when you can have a sixth bracket. That's the way I would do it. Yes, it means six instead of five in at least one bracket. Big deal. It's still better than having a guy make the pulloff automatically. Plus, it means one less guy in the pulloff and getting the class over with that much faster. I think Onawa, with only one track, had the superfarm class take around 90 minutes.

I actually like the bracket pulling concept. It's especially good when the announcers can (1) explain it and (2) keep up. Nice when they comment on who's going against who in the next group of five. There were some pretty good matchups and every bracket had good tractors. Seems like at the pulls with two tracks, the announcers have their work cut out for them with bracket pulling. Not enough time to keep the fans informed. At least that's my opinion.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 02:03AM
Maybe a solution would be to always have five when possible.

Then you have up to 6 in a bracket when there is extra, Maximum 3 brackets of six.

When you can make a new bracket of 4 you do that and the rest are 5.

It doesnt get rid of all of the "luck of the draw", but it doesnt give anyone a freebie either.

Also on a night there are 3 brackets of 6 used maybe take 2 lucky dogs to give enough opportunities to all competitors.


I am not suggesting this because I believe it will be easy for the fans or announcers to stay on top of it. Just a suggestion to minimize the luck of the draw. Which is the whole reason it started in the first place.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 02:06AM
Maybe at all of these bigger pulls they should do what they do at spencer, only allow top 10 in points to be invited and have the rest be a state class or just not have them at all. This bracket pulling is really pathetic to watch as a spectator.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 02:20AM
I disagree. While I'm not a big fan of pulloffs -- especially when the pulls are already going 5 hours, this bracketing approach does add an element of suspense seeing who can win each bracket as well as hang on to the "lucky dog" spot. I do agree that having a few brackets of 6 might be a better option than someone getting a free pass to the pulloff.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 02:37AM
For fan enjoyment, the important thing is the announcers. They have to explain it and then sell it. It's really no different than keeping the fans informed of the leaders in a regular type of pulling class situation. I think it actually can have a "March Madness" element to it with a discussion of the matchups of each bracket. I like that. I would actually call the "Lucky Dog" a "wildcard" instead since that term is more commonly used in sports.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 03:00AM
I disagree with you on that. This was a great idea by outlaws and made the super farm class a whole lot better to watch. I have been at pulls where the first few pulls are leading and the track is going away and it is over. Go get you a hotdog and wait for the next class to start. Not a fan left there seats and the biggest response from the crowd was the super farm pull-off at hinton and carroll. The announcers did heck of a good job explaining it and it was suspense the whole class. The lucky dog idea made it interesting and the lucky dog came back and won it at carroll on the last hook. Best super farm class I have ever seen. Keep up the great pulls outlaws.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 03:40AM
I have been going to Hinton tractor pull for a long time and the Outlaws have made a big difference in the pull the last 10 years. We were down to just a few tractors in each class and most would hook 2 or 3 times and now we get to sit back and watch close to 100 diferent trucks and tractors. Thanks Outlaws! For years they have hooked the super farm tractors last at Hinton and this year was the same except for the new bracket system. This was great. One heck of an idea by the outlaws to come up with this. It is fair way to pull with the changing track conditions and in the past when the class was about half done people would start leaving to beat the traffic. Not this year. It was 12:30 in the morning and no one left till the class was over. I think the biggest response from the fans was Stray Horse and Lost in the super stock class but the class of the night belonged to the super farm. People were really getting into the new bracket deal and there was some money changing hands too. Announcers did a great job and the fans around me really liked the way it was done. It was exciting till the last hook. Can't wait till next year.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 10:44AM
Outlaws has a great bunch of pullers supporting the events with pretty even numbers. At Hinton it was light supers - 12, 2wd trucks - 12, 4wd trucks - 12, diesel super stocks -12, mods & big pro stocks a little lighter at 8 each. The super farms had 26 and with the pull-off it was one of the best classes to watch. Great night of pulling at Hinton and the Outlaws started on time an ran 7 classes with about 90 hooks in 5 1/2 hours with 1 sled. It was a bargain for $15 and how bout the civic clubs homemade pie. Thats some good eating. Most of the crowd stayed till the end of the pull this year. Great pull and so was Rock Valley. Why is it that he other big association that pulls around here do not have many mods, pro stocks, or super stocks, yet has too many trucks and super farms?
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 03:41AM
i think this would would work pretty good.now at bg when there was 72 in the class,that amounts to 12 in the pulloff,would the pulloff be run as the order you qualified or would there be a redraw for position.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 05:05AM
The way I understand the deal is that they split the class up into each 5 pullers down the lineup sheet. When the first 5 get through pulling the one that had the longest distance goes to the pull-off and hooks 1st in the pull-off. The next best distance of the 5 is the lucky dog. Then you pull the next 5 and the longest distance goes to the pull-off and hooks 2nd in the pull-off. If the second place tractor pulls futher than the than the lucky dog from the first 5 he is now on the bubble. On and on. The lucky dog always pulls last in the pull-off because that is not decided untill the last group. You know exacty how many hooks will be in the class before it starts. If you have 25 tractors there will be 6 in the pull-off (5 plus the lucky dog). This system has alot of good things going for it and is great for any class with big numbers. At Tomah it would work great as that is a draw pull as the track changes in the big classes. It is a fair way to do it as each competitor has to pull against the 5 in thier bracket under the same track conditiions and the next 5 under the same track conditions and then they settle it in the pull-off under the same track conditions. You do not have to wait untill just about the end of the class to know if you are in the pull-off and hold up the show getting back around to the starting line. It equals out the cooling off time. The lucky dog helps if two of the best tractors get in the same bracket. It takes the pressure off the sled guy to have a pull-off without letting half the class out if the track changes. At Henry that was rediculious in the four wheel truck class. They start out around 295 feet and before you know it they are going 350 feet and there are 17 in the pull-off. This would have worked great at that pull and the best from each bracket would have decided it under the same track conditions in the pull-off. Hats off to the Outlaws for trying something new.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 05:09AM
i really like this idea,i think it would be both exciting and entertaining,for diehard fans and new fans alike.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 05:18AM
We were at the show in Hinton Iowa, I thought the bracket system worked great! It keeps you interested in the class and it seemed to go much faster due to the suspense. The only catch would be the guy that didn't have to pull to make the pulloff, make the last bracket six and the problem is solved. Keep up the great job OUTLAWS.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 07:13AM
This system was the idea of Doug Roberts and he tried it 2 years ago at a couple of pulls and the pullers did not like it and voted not to do it anymore. Why did they do it this year? Do the pullers in the class like it? I know that the fans like the new system and it sure helped the class from being so boring. On the western sweep it made the super farm class real interesting and was pretty much the talk in the stands. I would like to see any class with 15 vehicles or more do this bracket system and have at least 4 in the pull-off on those classes.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 09:10AM
What happens when a tractor has to drop.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 05:27AM
At a pull like BG or Tomah you would need more than 5 in a bracket otherwise you wind up with the same problem. 72 in the class would be 14 or 15 in the pulloff which is 3 times as many as your bracket. With 72 in the class you would want brackets of 8/9 (square root of class size) for 8 in the pulloff.

Otherwise I think it's a great idea. You could even run a different class between the brackets & pulloff to give extra cool down time.

Only downside is the luck dog thing keeps the sled from changing settings between brackets. In a case like 4x4 at Henry you still have a problem with the last several brackts. I guess if track conditions require a sled reset multiple lucky dogs could be awarded.

Question - how do you award placings & points beyond the bracket winners & lucky dog? That would screw up the sled reset problem too.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 07:39AM
At Henry it would have worked great. With 25 trucks you would have had just 6 in the pull-off. This was a perfect example how this system would have been fair to the pullers and a heck of a lot better for the fans. Out of the first 5 the one in the pull-off would have been around 295 feet. The second group around 315, Third around 325, 4th around 350 and the last group about 365, plus with the track getting better the lucky dog would have come out of the last group. Everyone knows some of the trucks that went over 350 are not any better than some of the trucks that went 295. It was all the luck of the draw on a changing track. Then all the trucks left could pull it off with a different sled setting and get the true winner.
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Re: Hinton results July 22, 2010 01:47AM
Just got back home from vacation and we thought the pull at Hinton was the best it has every been. Wow, what a big bunch of tractors and trucks. Outlaws pushed them through and we never waited on them to get to the sled. The super farm class was great and we like the new pull-off. Made it one of the best classes at the pull.
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 07:28AM
Bad enough to watch those damn things, now we have to watch them again in a pulloff!! Yippy Skippy!
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 08:07AM
Dear Tom,

It is still a free country, you can leave when a class you don't like comes up, or go take a poop, or get a snack, or don't come to the pull at all.

Please feel free to exercise your freedoms. I hope this will help you with your discontentment.
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Dear Tom July 19, 2010 12:33PM
Yes Tom! Go take a long poop and eat a bad apple or something!!!!!!
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Re: Dear Tom July 21, 2010 02:10AM
Those sf tractors are the one's that need a poop, sounds like there constipated. lol
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 12:36PM
at bg with the huge number of entries in the sf class,could this class not be run on both tracks,as the last class on each track.split the class into brackets as mebtioned above,take the winners of aech bracket for the pulloff,the 1st session pulloff would be on the north track,and the 2nd session pulloff would be ran on the south track.looks like a win for the pullers,and would keep it interesting for the fans too.also would take about half the time,and if you dont wish too sit through it ,go back to the camper..
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Re: Hinton results July 19, 2010 03:36PM
Excellent idea to run SF on both tracks @ B.G. and Tomah !!!!!!
About TUESDAY!
Then they can LEAVE and championship level pulling can move in and put on the show fans pay the big bucks for.
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