03:23:14am, Thursday, April 25, 2024
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John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Anonymous User
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I have heard so much bullshit lately around our area about John Deere 6030s not being able to pull in the farm stock classes.
Did Deere not build this tractor to farm with or what ? Did they only build this tractor so guys could pull with them 30 years later? I think some of you guys out there ought to wake the hell up and stop crying about everytime a 6030 shows up at a farm stock pull. First of all ,what is farm stock or out of the field class ? Why dont we all just stop trying to fool everybody (cause your really not anyway) and all just admit our tractor really is'nt farm stock or out of the field, which basically means right how it came from the factory. My father and I have been farming all our lives and have been pulling for over 30 years, we know the difference between the two. You might fool the people in the stands that don't know a thing about tractors, but who are you really trying to kid? (yourself) Second of all the ONLY WAY you can run a farm stock pull fairly is NOT by limiting RPM,or turbo size, Or tire size, or even cubic inch. The ONLY WAY you can run a farm or out of the field class and make it fair for everyone is to have a set MPH class or some places call it a pace class, which is usually around from 5-8 MPH. ANYTHING running over that speed in the 12000,14000,16000, classes are NOT in the right class anyway, And I dont care what color tractor you have! But it doesnt matter because the reduced speed will even out the playing field. Let me tell everybody right now a SECRET, especially for those of you who think you know it all - Tractor Pulling is not PULLING, its RACING !!! Thats right RACING !!! The person that goes the fastest usually wins. You see I said usually, because there are always exceptions to the rule. I dont care if you put the SILVER BULLET in a farm class. You limit his speed to 7mph and he wont be able to do sqat. Thats just the way it is. The BIGGEST problem with these classes is that some places dont have a MPH class. They are just too ignorant to see that open MPH for farm classes DOESN"T WORK !!! Thats why we come back to the point of keeping the John Deere 6030 out of the farm classes. Just limit the MPH not the guy who brought his tractor there to pull and have a good time. |
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Farm Stock Pulls
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Bring it to our pull in Peoria, if it looks like it did out of the factory I don't care how it runs...I just want to see it do its thing. Speed limits aren't the answer either, they just add another variable and in my opinion a very subjective one. They also make it very boring to watch. Want to slow the farm tractors down? Make them run a stock charger like we are, and if they are still flyin...set up the sled so that if they want to run fast it will kill that tractor with heat by 300 feet. The real tractors will prevail there, b/c no one wants to melt a tractor down more than once. Most people would @#$%& if they knew what really came on a 6030 for a charger...they would welcome it into the farm stock class with open arms...believe me.
One thing we all have to remember here is that this isn't little league, we can't all get a trophy... |
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Registered: 06/17/2008 Posts: 137 |
6 or 8 mph has worked well in southern Indiana at 13500 and 16500 dual wheel classes for a number of years, even though a number of the participants could run 12 to 18 mph at 12000 pounds. You have to have a little mercy on the people running the pull, even monitoring rpms at a non-sanctioned event is a challenge. Pullers have all seen the high cube, big buck 6030's, run away with a sled, but so can a 700 plus cu in ih or case----. The 6030 and the MF 2800 were about the only 175 to 200 hp range twd tractors that were truly not just turned up 125 hp units, like the 1566, 7080's and tw-30 Fords. They were "big blocks", the deere has a P-pump, which every one says is an unfair advantage, but it is a stock item. The 531 blocks, no longer being built, and the 619 are both capable of being built into 900 cu in units---just takes cubic dollars. There are drawbacks to the 6030, no powershift, 7th and 8th gears are far apart, and everything in the rear end and trans are hugh, and expensive to have custom built, and seldom do you see one weighing under 11500, even attempting to run in a farm stock class. The ITPA 12000 farm stock open cubic inch champion is an international, with a couple of 6030s still competitive in the class, but they do not dominate, based on their rules, which are not posted on their website but I believe are limited to 3000 rpms, and about a 2.75 charger. PPL open 12000 pro farm, 3.0 charger, any cubes, 3000 rpm has a number of 6030's (3 owned by one individual) but his 680 cu in tractor is competitive with his larger cubed tractors, which I believes illustrates that there are deminishing returns to builting 800 cu plus engines, that are hard to match gearing with and they result in loss of usable rpm range, compared to a 600 cu in engine. the high dollars tractors, of any color, are going to perform accordingly, but the mph classes are the simpliest rules to enforce, and allowing true farm tractors a shot at a respectable showing. I love seeing the old 318 detroits in 4520 and 5020 pulls, and would like to see a 800 cu in v8 4wd engined 1566 pull, but they could only compete in a mph class, and wouldn't none of them beat a decent 466 with a built pump and 3lm466 charger!!! |
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What's it coming to?
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In this type of situation, the only thing that can mitigate all the little differences/nuances of different color/make/model tractors will be a class that only contains that model tractor. These tractors were built with different purposes in mind from the beginning and you have to choose what it is that you are trying to accomplish as no amount of rule making will ever make two ultimately different machines similar in a number of ways. Tractor pulling should be about just that, as it was in the beginning, seeing who has the strongest horse. That "strongest horse" statement could include a plethora of different characteristics as well...is that the best weighted machine, the most expensive, the biggest??? Up to the promoter to decide I guess. The point is, there were not two tractors created equal, albeit they were created to do similar work (and hence tractorpulling has evolved). The pulling world can't produce a class that is identical...ergo, two things are possible, create a class that is model specific, or create a class with a variety of color, a variety of winners (be it all 6030's or not), and a variety of budgets (or lack thereof). Someone will always be mad at a pull, for what reason I don't know, guess they played alone in the sandbox when they were little too. |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Farm Stock Pulls
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To me, farm stock means stock turbo and certainly not 3000RPM...also, any 6030 that even weighs 12000lbs is pretty far from stock appearing anything... |
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Anonymous User
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I have seen some actual farm stock tractors get down and grunt their way past some fairly hot tractors at 8 mph. Either way this should be an interesting thread.
POPCORN!!!!!!!! GET YOUR POPCORN!!!!!!! LOL |
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Registered: 04/07/2008 Posts: 781 |
we get some magnums and new hollands at 15000 and up run pretty good.A stock 6030 or 2805 have a hard time making 13500 if farm stock. 12 mph works good so far might slow down to 10mph |
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deere boy
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i have a 6030 that we pull farm stock with and im not stomping out anyone by any means. it runs good but im not running away with the class its all opinon of the sore losers |
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CPR
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I'll challenge that one. Speed limits are not subjective one bit, especially on a horn. With a rope, sure some of that comes into play, but I actually like the rope because of the strategy, technique, and driving skill involved. Suer, fans want to see smoke and noise and there's a place for that in any show. Get an announcer who can enunciate the nuances of a speed limit class and strategy and driving skill involved and they'll get up and yell, especially for the hometown boys. |
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Because
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The problem is 6030's came from the factory with a 531,not a 619 like everyone puts in them to pull with... I have a stock 6030 with a 531 not turned up and believe me its nothing special but put a 619 in them and they are a horse...We have 10 mph classes in my area and no one even pulls a 6030.. |
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Anonymous User
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We all have been down this road before. The 619 is a stock replacement and that's the way it is so get over it. Or at least I'm over it and I'm a IH fan. Up here in South Central MN, there is a pretty hot 6030 that pretty much dominates the 16000 class and they don't run much faster than 14-15 mph down the track. The Binders scream at 18 mph and they come close. The differance I see is 42 " tires on the 6030 with everyone else running 38"... Must be something to that ,huh 
Got my beer ready with the popcorn ! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2011 10:36AM by BGR. |
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Because
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Why do 6030's need a 619 replacement motor...Make them run the original 531...Theres (4) 6030's in my area and they are all running the original 531.. Theres even a 531 for sale on here.. |
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6030 guy
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well, they don't make the 531 any more I understand...the 619 can still be purchased new I think... |
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Because
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I'm well aware that the 531's arent made anymore...However,perfectly good 531's are being taken out and are being replaced by 619's..Whom else gets the luxury of going up like that.. There are still lots of 531's out there..I was on a farm that had 15 of them in 5010,5020,6030 JD's....Its not like the last 531 has been used up...My 6030 still has the original 531 but it will never be pulled nor will it be replaced with a 619..I pull other color tractors.. |
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6030 guy
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The fact that YOU won't pull it or put a 619 in it is your choice. However, just b/c there are used ones out there doesn't mean someone wants one. There are a great many 1466's out there that don't have the stock 436 in them...instead it's a DT466...same principle as there are thousands of those lying around too. |
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Anonymous User
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I will give you red guys something really to whine about when i get the 12.5 liter i am working on installed in my 5020 and yes it will bolt up just like a 619 . |
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BBJD Lover
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You will be screwed when they make a rule that says "stock appearing fuel system for that model tractor." Then what are you going to do with it (assuming that it's common rail, as that's the only 12.5 that I have ever seen)? |
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Anonymous User
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I can dummy a P pump on it easy enough, but the over head cam may get me caught. |
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thinkerer
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I don't buy the factory replacement argument. There are still plenty of 531's available just as there are 436's, and, foregoing that option, in this day and age where you can get parts made to get 800-900 cubes or more, you should sure as hell be able to get parts made to be 531 or 436. That said, if there is no "stock cubic inch for make and model of tractor" rule that is actually CHECKED and ENFORCED, the argument is purely academic and a moot point. |
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Anonymous User
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What I want to know is why everyone has to be a sore loser on here and whine about every tractor that comes along and beats them (like a 6030) |
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Anonymous User
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N^^^^^^^^^^ Yea, what he said.^^^^^^^^^ |
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farm puller
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How in the hell are you going to check and enforce a cubic inch rule at a farm stock pull? This is an absolutely ridiculous post that has been beat to death on here and we are tired of it, If you would spend half the time and energy trying to figure out how to make your tractor run that you do trying to figure out how to hold everyone else back to your pitiful level maybe you would have something. If you want to pull then pull there is a level for you but leave everyone else alone otherwise take your stock tractor and go bale hay with it or whatever you do and maybe you can go sit in the crowd at the next pull and be one of those lawn chair experts and tell everyone around you about all the cheaters. |
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the 531 put in the 6030 is not the same 531 used in the 5010&5020, it was made just for the 6030 it was maid with extra cooling capacity and more horse power, the turbo charged model came from factory @175 h.p. where the 5020 was only 115 h.p. check your deere parts manual it will verify this statement. the 6030 is in its own family, very few 5020 parts will interchange with the 6030 including the transmission |
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Well if my parts book is correct,the only difference between the 531 and 619 is bore diameter.With that said probably not to hard to make a 531 block 619 cubes.Oh yea,the 619 came in the big 4wd tractors,and the 6030 also came naturally aspirated with a roosa pump,but not very popular though.As for the post about the 46 inch tires and 38 inch tires,it's all about traction.A larger diameter tire puts more lugs in contact with the ground increasing traction.Everyone have a good day because this argument will never be over.Happy pulling! |
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Most 6030 tractors came with a P pump and a 6" charger. |
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ya think??
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in response to awsome johnny.. did u ever think that the extra cooling capacity that u stated came from the bigger radiator in the 6030 dumby?? i do beleive that john deere did not cast the water jackets any bigger on the 6030 then on the 5010-5020... the only diff between the 2 eng is the pistons,camshaft, and the 6030 was jetted for piston oil squirters-coolers in the main bearing galleries.. look that up in ur parts book and smoke it!! |
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in response to (ya think) you should check the deere parts manual,i can guarentee you that deere did cast a different block for the 6030 than the 5010&5020 they do have more cooling capacity in the 6030 block, had one of each in my shop side by side last winter they are 2 different casting;s, |
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Anonymous User
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If I'm not mistaken the bottom end has more webbing for durability in the 619. That said, I'm a Deere fan and the 531/619 can both be made to run well over 750CID and they've caused alot of damage to every single pulling class they're in. If everyone could build a 640 Perkins like Carlton Cope, then we'd be hearing whining about them too.
Thinkerer is right - unless you check CID at the pull, then this is a silly argument. I can punch out a 531 to the same CID as anyone elses 619 and it run just as well (in non-PS classes). |
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thinkerer
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Farm Puller - if "we" are so tired of this subject being beat to death, then why was it brought up again, and why do you continue to beat it yourself, especially with nonsensical rambling like that? Checking cubes is an easily enforceable rule and I don't see what's so ridiculous about it. People like you with your "big fish, little pond" mentality are what has ruined farm stock pulling, quite simply because you are AFRAID of real competition. That's why you stay in the farm classes, because any other class has rules that are consistently enforced, putting you on an even playing field upon which you can't compete. If this were not the case, you wouldn't throw such a hissy fit about rules that keep big time wannabee pullers like yourself from outspending, outcubing, and outrunning the field by 50 feet. If you're so big time, why don't you move up a class or two and show your stuff?
As far as my tractor and it's "pitiful level" is concerned, it runs plenty good enough, and I have the trophies to prove it. |
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The Big Bad 6030's
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The big bad 6030's must be afraid that their 531's wont keep up with a 436 or 466 IH,504 Case-etc so they have to slap a 619 in...Is the 531 such a lousy engine that pullers are scared to pull them..Its still 65 cubes bigger than a 466 IH..Is it fun beating up on tractors with smaller engines..Does anyone on here actually pull a 6030 with a 531 in it..
If the 6030 boys want to pull with a 619 or one built to 680 then there are classes for them..I personally like the 6030's and if I were to pull one it would have a 531 in it to pull at farm stock type pulls....If it wont beat a 466 IH then I guess that I'd quit.. |
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Big bad 6030
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The IH guys put a 466 in place of a 436...that's only for 30 cubic inches...you my friend are just a retard. |
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my big bad 6030
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my 6030 still has the original 531 block in it and the fuel system, but what i cant figure out is when i go out and go pulling is how am i getting beat by a couple of 1066's? iv got a bigger pump, and more cubes then them from factory and they are still beating me? no i dont think thats right, and as soon as i put a little bigger charger, pump, lines and injectors on mine like they did, you know what gonna happen? their all gonna quit pullin because im gonna be waxin em! you international people are a bunch of CRY babies! get over it! |
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must be new!!!
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Hey big bad 6030, is this the first time you have ever pulled??
FYI, their is more to it than a big pump......Its called Weighting and tires!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont be upset b/c you cant weight a tractor right. |
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must be new!!!!
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Too many big bad 6030's........that is for MY big bad 6030 |
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Corey prewitt
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What the hell does that have to do with anything, the last time I checked I dont think you can buy a new dt 400 series block from ih, oh wait they went out of buisness. How many people have ever bought a brand new 619 from jd to put in a 6030 farm tractor very very few im sure. |
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Where I'm from, farmstock is limited by 12mph & 3000rpm usually. If your tractor cant keep up at that pace, spend more money. Lets be honest, no one wants to watch a farmstock tractor go down the track at 8 mph, thats when people leave pulls! I love when people complain about this stuff, at 12mph there is no tractor that dominates, I pull against, Ih's, deere's, mf's, allis's, and even a few whites. No one cares what you run for a turbo, as long as you have a factory core pump on. I dont care who you are, if you have 1200hp or 600 hp, 12mph is 12mph and at that point its who's tractor is set up the best. I've beat many tractors with more hp than me, and I've been beat my tractors with less. Stop Whining! |
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Anonymous User
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Part of the problem is that the 6030 is in a class by itself in size and horsepower. I know we discussed this at our local pull club meetings.
We have a 6030 that comes to our pulls and usually puts 30-40 feet on the nearest competitor. We have plenty of complaints about that and not all from guys running red. We have several guys running other model green tractors that aren't any happier than the red guys. So the club determined it was better to make one guy mad than ten. But we did add another class so the guy can still pull if he wants to. |
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Registered: 04/07/2008 Posts: 781 |
4840,2805,7080,2590,magnums,new hollands,etc all came with more factory hp and can compete |
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Anonymous User
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I think everybody is still missing the point of this whole discussion. What deere 0603 was saying from the beginning
is that if a john deere 6030 fits into every rule that applies to the farm stock class or out of the field class, why should he not able to compete in that class just because he runs a 6030. How can you single out one tractor out of the hundreds made and say he can not participate in a farm stock pull because he might have an unfair advantage. Thats just not right. Someone always has to win and if that someone is not winning, lets just keep banning tractors from that class until that someone wins. What a screwed up way of way of thinking and running a pull. Shouldn't we be just a little more concerned about having a good time and most importantly having fun. |
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Anonymous User
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I agree with green dream if you fit all the rules you should be able to pull. Around here we have 2 farm stock classes, pace and nonpace. I know you can never please everyone but as long as everyone has a choice there is no reason to complain. The pace needs to be 6 to 8 mph, more than any pure stock tractor can keep up with. Nonpace run what you brung and hope you brought enough and dont complain if you get beat. |
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thf
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If your going to ban a 6030 with a 619 then you need to ban all the jd's that went from a 404 to a 466 or a 466 to a 496 and all the ih's that went to the 466's and all that went rotary pump to inline pumps. I know one thing when a 6030 in our area dosn't show up the fans are not happy! Just go pullin! |
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thinkerer
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thf - you are exactly right and I agree completely. None of those things should be allowed in a true farm stock class.
To address the question that started this thread, first you have to keep in mind that a tractor pull is a show like any other. The event promoter is putting on a show for the sake of charging admission, and most could care less about classes, rules, etc. beyond what is going to attract the most and best variety of participants for the sake of attracting the most spectators. What is fair to the competitors is far less a concern than the bottom line. Capeche? Ok, so here's what happens. You allow a particular tractor, in this case, a 6030, that, though maybe legal under the rules, has an advantage that makes it difficult or impossible for other tractors to be legally competitive with it. So your farm stock class over time either becomes a 6030 class because that's what it takes to compete, which is bad for the promoter because he now has no color or variety, or worse, everybody that doesn't have or doesn't want or can't afford a 6030 just quits showing up. This is bad for competitor and promoter alike, because now there is no farm stock class at all. This isn't a fairy tale, gentlemen. Saw it happen 20 or so years ago, and the farm stock pulling is just now coming back around here. Fair or not, butts in the seats is what pays the bills, and, as has already been said, better to make one guy mad than 10. |
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Pull Promoter
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Well said thinkerer! There are so many different tractors out there that a True farm stock class is going to very difficult to acheive. However that being said the owner/ driver of this dominating tractor whether it be a 6030 or any other brand/model should have the common courtesy to run their tractor in the right class. Some people may enjoy whipping the local Johnny blow smoke with their strictly pulling tractor, but is that really what pulling is about? I think all too many places are going away from where it all started and if you dont have a high dollar tractor the motto seems to be "keep it in the shed or quit yer cryin" Sometimes guys want to run their tractor in a no pace to see what they got, but also they want to see what they got against other stock tractors though too and not a hotter tractor. Why cant the little guy have fun? When a class is put in to make it fair for the 6030's or other hotter tractors they whine just as much as the farm stock guys do when they have to pull against the hotter tractors. I'm sorry but if you can please every puller on any given day you are acomplishing a miracle. The only way i can figure to make everyone happy is to have 40 classes and then everyone can get first place. It doesent matter if you are pulling for money or bragging rights there will still be a few crybabies in the crowd. |
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Anonymous User
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Beating this poor horse is getting old, a good running 466 deere will run with a 6030 so will a 1066, the key to it is to limit the whistle size so everyone is running a similar turbo. If that big sucker can't breathe it's gonna choke! Seen it proven and the whole class came a whole lot closer together. Nuff said. |
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Amen Brother! |
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Registered: 06/17/2008 Posts: 137 |
Although it would be time consuming to tech in a very large class, what size charger do you guys thing would be a good max size for a farm stock, or near farm stock classes---2.5 intake; 2.75 or 3.0 out? or is that too large a charger to be effective? With hot farms at 2.75 and pro-farms at 3.0, they are making big hp!!! I was just wondering if a 2.5 or 2.3 intake charger would have much of a limiting effect on a higher cubed tractor, or a 13 mil p-pump tractor? Thanks in advance for any input from anyone experienced with those size turbos. |
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more to say
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Just cuz you're tired of talking about it doesn't mean the rest of us are. Who do you think you are to be saying nuff said? If you're tired of the discussion, don't participate. |
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anyway
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The only reason you guys bought those 6030s in the first place is so you could go whoop up on the locals at the fair. Your whining about them not allowing you to pull doesn't choke me up at all. What goes around comes around. How do you like your high priced big cube yard ornament now? |
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Anonymous User
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its a shame that the only way some people think they can win pulls is by making lame rules to elimate one of the best pullers ever made ! 40 years of pulling and still setting the field,thats CLASS. long live the 6030! |
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Puller McGavin
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To those of you who think it is not right to let a 6030 pull because they put a 619 in place of the 531, why is it OK that every other Tom, Dick and Harry does it? Most all 4430's got a 466, about all red tractors got a 466 and the 766's go from 360 cubes to 466 cubes over a 100 more cubes! But, let a 6030 try to go up 88 cubes and it is the end of the world. Just about every whining puller I ever spoke to had a lame excuse of how he wanted to beat his competition by getting them disqualified instead of beating him on the track. The 6030 is just a tough tractor to beat in it's weight classes. No different than a 1066 is hard to beat in some of the lighter classes. Funny no one here is bashing allthe truck motors in 766's or 1066's. bunch a whiners.... get in your shop and get to working on your tractor. |
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Anonymous User
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I agree, puller mcgavin, do your homework and run with the big dogs,how many 1066's have 466's in them? I don't believe they came from the factory that way, so why is it o.k. but it isn't o.k. to put a 619 in a 6030? |
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Registered: 05/08/2011 Posts: 102 |
This is one of the dumbest arguments I have ever heard of. If they want to limit the class and avoid the argument, just limit it by cubic inches, like all the classes do around here. It has even gotten to the point around here that you can't find a farm class under 9000lbs that will even let a 6 cylinder tractor hook in. All the rules say 2, 3 and 4 cylinders only.They're aren't many classes for any of the smaller 6 cylinder tractors like an IH 560, 666, or oliver 88s and the like. |
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go massey route
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Put a 903 cummins in a 1150 massey if you want to stir the s***. Its been done. Trane of thought is 619 in a jd 4 wheel drive and a 903 n a massey 4 wheel drive. Now theres something to think about. I cant wait till a ford guy does the same thing. U know they put 903 in those ford fw60 4 wheel drives. |
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I'm Impressed
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So it takes a 619 JD to beat a 466 IH...Thats only 153 more cubic inches..Why cant a 531 JD beat a 466 IH? |
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Registered: 06/27/2008 Posts: 83 |
the 903 doesnt swing the stock crank of the porkins, so go ahead and waste your time, it wont fly. |
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has wings
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They let if fly in southern indiana. Maybe just not everywhere. |
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or not
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Or don't "do your homework" and just go buy a 6030. |
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big crank
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I don't know what everybody is getting all wound up about, cuz the solution is obvious. For way less than the cost of a 6030, you could go buy a 1466 and build a 640 for it. Top it off with a P pump and there you go, instant level playing field. |
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outcast
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One of the fairs a couple counties over had an ad for their pull in the paper the other day. One of the rules is "no association tractors", which I guess means if you pull a farm stock with a sanctioned organization, you will not be allowed to compete. This is ironic to me, because our tractors are legal under their rules, but many of the tractors they will allow would not be legal under ours. Makes a person feel downright unwelcome............... |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Builder
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How many of these 6030s that everyone is talking about are actually 6030s and not a 5010 or 5020 converted?
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Puller McGavin
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Probably about the same number of 766's and 966's that have a 1066 badge on them. |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Anonymous User
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This is how i see it if you are going to run a farm stock class set the rules up for a stock class. If the axles have been cut off and hubs welded on its not a farm tractor any more! If the lift top has been removed to shed weight its not a farm tractor anymore.If you have removed the pto or modified it in any way its not a farm tractor any more! All or any combination of this will help weed out any brand of tractor from a class it shoud not be in. |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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funny
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But yet this all does absolutely nothing to keep this tractor from pulling a disc or digger or plow in the field. Where do you draw the line, and how specific do you make the rules? A tractor that comes in week after week all shiny and waxed probably doesn't see much actual farm use either-so why do they have it? You make a big deal out of the larger tractors but what about the small..say 4500-5500 classes? Most of those guys don't even have farms, they sit in a shed til the next pull, and get wrenched on over the winter. I agree some things are not in the actual parts book originally, but also a lot of things get subbed thru the years because of parts availability and with adapters from Deere or Ih themselves, parts are changed. I'm not talking about weld on hubs and such, but seats could be added also to drop weight...again-where are you gonna draw the line and just begin to go pull against the guys and see how well you balanced your tractor or how well you read the track. If the guy has a thousand weights on in the light class, what does it really matter? Remember, cabs can be added and removed too. Let it go.....John Deere and IH never produced Hiniker or Year-a-round cabs-this would be aftermarket addons too-correct? They are not in the parts book under any numbers-I guarantee it. As another poster said-better start checking fluid levels also. people don't farm with great stuff insulation in the rear ends to take up room so the oil level increases without adding weight. Lots of things to cry about-but what does it all really do?Its only weight, that's all. Are you gonna disqualify a fat guy on a small tractor if he slides his fat butt to one side so the other tire gets more traction during a pull? Seen it happen-made all the difference in the world. Best you can do is limit speed, rpms, tire size, and some real obvious things like turbo size.Weld on hubs, clamp on hubs, pressed wheels....still makes it possible to
mount a wheel on a tractor. Doesn't make it any more powerful. How about fluid? Can I protest a guy with fluid-or without-making his tractor lighter by getting down to a lighter weight unlike me because I have fluid? |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Anonymous User
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whatever happened to the appreciation of a good horse. the 6030 is a man child of a tractor. when one shows up, you have your measuring stick. instead of trying to shun any puller or tractor, accept the fact that they are a good runner and try to better yourself to compete. |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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me
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How many tractors that pull FARM STOCK are true stock. Where I pull I would say 5 out of 15. You can follow all the rules about Sheet metal, fenders, bla bla bla. A 6030 even if tuned up can still be beat by a small block red or green. What keeps the red tractor from being bone stock except it may have truck motor in it. Is that ok ? The motor may be stock but at 640 red green etc. is that ok?
The bottom line is if you get rid of a 6030 then it will be replaced by a hot something. I guarantee it! |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Just love
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I don't care about anything else. I just love the way they look.
BIG AND MEAN!!! |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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Anonymous User
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I guess that about sums it all up right there. You Love them or you
hate them, either way they are a good looking, powerful pulling tractor on there way soon to a pull near you. So be ready for them, because you know without a shadow of a doubt, they will be ready for you !!!! |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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driver
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And right from the factory almost the right cubes |
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Re: John Deere 6030 in farm stock class
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what is the turbo size on it i got a 6030 with the bosch pump and i got her at 312 but she likes her turbos thanks |
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speed limit
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Registered: 12/21/2010 Posts: 38 |
I know it makes it boring to watch, but if you truly want competition, a speed limit settles all of it.
We pull a lot of farm stock around here, and there are alot of hot tractors. But with our 6mph speed limit the tractors with 3" chargers and huge cubic inch can get beat by a measely little 354 perkins. The high horsepower tractors get to the end of the track and blow the tires loose and have nothing to show but a plume of smoke. The big HP guys come to our pulls and get beat in the speed limit just to put on a big show in the no speed limit farm stock class, but at the end of the day a speed limit sets apart the real drivers from the money pit tractors |
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I think more farm pulls should do what we do in Embro, ie. in 10500lb class all tractors weigh and pull together,, if your 6 mph or less your measurement is entered in farm stock results and if you pull 6.1 mph or faster your measurement is entered in Hot stock results.
[www.embrotractorpull.com] |
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plum krazy
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people who win in the speed limit classes,have power -- wait for it,know how to use the rules for the best result,and understand too much "WILD USE' of the power is futile. |
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Here's a real 6030
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Registered: 03/02/2011 Posts: 31 |
[youtu.be]
Here's the link to a video of my 6030 and yes it is a real 6030, 1976 model. Whoever said a 531 can't run is obviously wrong. |
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Re: speed limit
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Registered: 04/10/2011 Posts: 183 |
We have allowed 10MPH in turbo farm stock classes(11k,13k,15k) with no upshifting after the first 100ft (same as shut down) Seems to be working in SW WI. |
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Seen too many times
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The speed limit is not perfect fix-all either. I don't tknow what your smokin but a stock out of field tractor will not not spin out at 6-8 mph, not in southern IN. THen the built"farm stock" tractors sandbag halfway down the track and then upshift and pin the ears back. I'm not against building a tractor up, but how is that fair for the kid that unhooks the disc and comes to town to play? Our pulls were a whole lot more fun when they dyno'd everybody. That's the TRUE equalizer. Give them 50 or 75 over and let'm run. Bash away! |
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Takes a pretty warm "farm tractor" to tote 6mph @ 12,500. 12mph farm stock pulling is just a joke. |
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me
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I see a Tantrum built 531- 6030 on the for sale page. Any videos of it pulling. |
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Re: speed limit
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plum krazy
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never will be fair,never was,can't be,someone always spends more,thinks more,does more.so far we have some freedoms left in this country,cheating,doing your home work,wanting it more,having more are all examples.I go all over,LOVE IT when a local says his tractor is all stock,!!!!!!!!!!!just saying, "EXCEPT FOR (a long list),love it,his intepertation. |
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