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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
In another thread about the US vs.Sweden and their response to the virus I compared that with a Fleet of Quadtracs vs. my three Cub Cadets. I want to expand on that a little here but about the economy without derailing the other thread.
The Quadtracs vs. Cub Cadets Comparison: For all you people who are really, really concerned about the economy... I care too, but I guess I see it a little differently. The fleet of Case IH Quadtracs I used in the comparison in the other thread were all from Stamp Farms. Not really owned or paid for. Borrowed against the future as collateral and it eventually caught up with them. It really, really, really caught up with them. Much like we're doing here in the US... spending money we don't have, borrowing against the future and it will catch up with us as a country too. Unfortunately it's going to be much worse than what the Stamps are facing. But hey, Congress passed another "stimulus" yesterday... so.... we'll just print some more pretend monopoly money. If only there was a way farms could print money, like maybe faking their yields to "print" corn (I'm speaking hypothetically of course). Maybe this virus is just the bad yield that finally caught up with us). It's that bad year of weather and that perfect storm. Our economy was pretend for quite a while. We are broke and taking on more and more debt. We (the Fed) buy our own debt and other countries just pretend to look away because they are heavily invested in the USD. Sound familiar... anyone? anyone? What? Did I hear someone in the back say Boersen Farms? We have a winner! The US is one step away from having a Super Farm named Ghost Rider! Actually it's more like the US owning a fleet of 3 Greenline Express Prostocks. Or maybe that's what our economy was the past few years/decades... spending money we really didn't have to be a player on the Grand National Circuit... I mean World Stage. We've been faking it for a while. We loan money to everyone, we give money away that we don't have. Maybe this is just the straw that broke the camels back. Maybe this is a world correction that will hit us extremely hard economically because our government has been living a lifestyle it never could afford. The pretend economy looked great on paper but was it really ever good or were we just picking up some Grand National wins before it all implodes? Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Exactly, the stock market at 26000, really ?????????????????? everyone so stupid to think high numbers mean something,put the index at 100 based, then it looks and acts more like it should, come on people,07 and 8 were wake up calls with all the new houses being bought with little income, borrowing is great,-only if you can handle the interest AND principle and have disposable income to back it up. We need to pay for some things in order to keep the wheel greased, all deals done on paper are deals gone bad quickly when handed out like candy, no equity, no collateral,nothing except wishes and wanna be attitude, well there ain't no free lunches and the time to pay is past.When you had to have 30% down to but almost anything, you worked damned hard to keep that loan paid because your hard work was at stake, now just use it up and walk away, how is that worki'n for ya? |
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Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,347 |
In my little corner of the world in an Indianapolis suburb, our mayor has been tearing down a number of long time businesses, constructing multi-story combo business and residential units. These filled for a while, but the storefronts have become largely vacant with high rent and lack of parking. Meanwhile, a number of single family houses have been purchased and replaced by more of these types of places.
My point- In my area, it seems like the local leadership is all in with new commercial development when existing developments are not near capacity, while losing single family homes (ie- property taxes). What could possibly go wrong? Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2020 04:48AM by The Original Michael. |
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wages don't keep up(for most) with the extra inflation, can't service debt load when people spend ahead, no savings no equity, no rent, living beyond means never has and never will work, you are not entitled to what you can not afford, simple first rule of economics. |
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The problem is we don’t manufacture anything anymore. Seems our only businesses are service businesses or turning farmland into subdivisions. Everyone talks bout bringing work back from overseas, but who’s gonna do it? Nobody wants to work anymore and those that do are untrained. What we need are less universities and more tech schools. In Germany they have a two tiered educational system, one for research and one for actual work. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,445 |
I'm not sure if we need less University's, however we certainly need more trade schools. There is a glaring shortage of skilled help in this country. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 241 |
What I see, but have no answers;
1) People are not afraid to not work. In our fathers and mothers time, if you did not work you did not eat, had no place to live and risked death. 2) Because people are not afraid to not work, we rely on foreign suppliers to provide what we want. 3) Because people are not afraid to not work, we import labor by millions to perform tasks. 4) There are lots of technical schools that are not operating at even close to capacity and several that have closed due to lack of students. 5) We have done such a good job of letting no one go hungry and no one go homeless, that people are not afraid to not work. I do not know how to install work ethic and ambition into people, whether it is for them to go to higher education or to dig ditch. I am fortunate to have three children that are all working at careers that they enjoy and allow them to live the lives they want. So how do we instill work ethic and ambition into the younger generations? Rich |
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Registered: 12/05/2019 Posts: 4 |
high schools should be pushing the vo-tech coarses instead of the college prep coarses. get kids interested in a trade early |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,140 |
"In Germany they have a two tiered educational system, one for research and one for actual work."
It's a little bit more complex than that  - but you know that.Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
I agree about bringing manufacturing back to the US it's something that needs to be done, especially for things that are critical to our national defense, pharmaceuticals and raw materials, etc... as well a vaccines. They should all be manufactured here... never imported unless from countries that are our clear allies like most of Europe and Israel.
I also agree about personal savings and families living within their means. It's more and more common to see both parents working and a family still living paycheck to paycheck. From what I've seen its often a problem with personal decisions. Getting in over their head on a mortgage or car loan. Spending and racking up credit card debt on personal possessions that are fleeting. Taking loans on things where the term of the loan in longer than the lifespan of the item the loan is for. The "I work hard, I deserve this" mentality even though the finances say otherwise. Is it a problem with wages? Maybe for some, but maybe it was just a poor choice or choices that led them to a poor paying job. Personally I'm 100% against a minimum wage of any sort. Maybe I'm crazy but I just don't think it's been a benefit to society overall. Do we need more trade schools? Well, first we need more students being encouraged to use their ability in a trade school. "If we build it they will come" only works if there is an actual demand. We need to change a number of things, first and foremost I think we need welfare reform. We need to get rid of the safety net for those who choose not to work. We need workfare and we need to reserve welfare for those who are truly, truly needy. If able-bodied Americans were forced to do the jobs that were "beneath" them then we wouldn't need to import as much labor from other countries. Our welfare on all levels is hurting us more than helping. My complaint with our economy is our national debt and deficit. We pretend like it's not real. We pretend like we can just keep spending without any repercussions. We keep voting in the same terrible career politicians that can't seem to reign in this countries spending. Our social programs and entitlements are a disaster. The Republican were once fiscally conservative but now they spend like white trash that won the mega-millions lottery. There's no checks and balances when it comes to spending. Our federal government is completely out of control, and some states... like here in NY can't seem to do any better. We're printing money and we're going to devalue our dollar until it completely crashes. Read this quick link about the Weimar Republic. Does it sound eerily familiar? Replace "war" with pandemic. Or you can read this quick link about Venezuela. We are "stimulating" our own demise. It will catch up with us. It's caught up with every country that's ever tried it. Somehow we pretend like we're different. We'll add more and more welfare/socialist programs and we'll get mincome, "free" health care, and all the other dreams of such genius ideas as the Green New Deal. We are willfully running toward our own slaughter and we're all making excuses along the way about how we need it. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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"BINGO", more need to say it believe it and Live it,(what Jake said), |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,140 |
Comment:
"We need to get rid of the safety net for those who choose not to work. " You might want to have a look at what they do here in this regard: If you get into welfare, it's handled by your local town government - and THEY can offer you jobs. You refuse three times and they cut your welfare money drastically. You have to send out x amount of applications every month and prove that to the town office. You fail - money cut. The local government may also offer you job training if they think otherwise they can't find you anything - you don't show up every day? Money cut. You take the job training - you receive 65% of your last salary. Stick and carrot... works great here. Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2020 10:09AM by Sascha. |
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Registered: 01/23/2011 Posts: 241 |
Jake for President |
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That safety net would also include,
Federal crop insurance, loan protection programs and other agriculture welfare. |
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Jake has my vote ! |
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The safety net needs to include some basic health insurance too. Too many people go to the emergency room for every ache and pain when they have no insurance. Farmers, self employed business men and the like shouldn't have to depend on sending their wife to work at Walmart, so the family can have insurance. It doesn't have to be a Cadillac, but at least some basic coverage so if I get hurt or have a heart attack then at least my family won't lose the farm paying the doctor bills. Somebody needs to start looking our for the working man (or woman) again instead of the corporations. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
No, the government shouldn't be in the insurance business. The government should not be in ANY business. The role of the government is to regulate business (as minimally as possible) and to safeguard us. It's not to compete with business and it's not to "create jobs" despite the fact that we get that same idiotic question at every presidential debate. We don't need a government safety net for health care, we need health care reform, we need to remove the laws that limit heath care companies from not being permitted to do interstate commerce. I should be able to buy my health care from any provider I choose, right now I can only buy from select providers that do business in New York State. Why! I can buy car insurance from who ever offers the best rate, why is health care different? I should be able to buy from ANY provider. Let the free market drive the price of health care down by allowing true competition. Let people buy what works best for them, farmers included.
Another part of health care reform is stop the garbage about pre-existing conditions. Again, like car insurance, adjust the rates based on behavior, not genetics. That's the role of government, simple regulations when absolutely necessary. What I mean is if someone has MS, CF, etc... don't allow providers to make their healthcare any more expensive. They had no control over getting the disease. If people choose to smoke, are morbidly obese, or have made other poor decisions then they should pay higher premiums. Personal accountability. As for Farm subsidies, yes, I'm infavor of ending them... all of them. I don't care if that makes me unpopular with some of you, but let the free market decide what your crops are worth. Almost every other industry is supply and demand driven and farming should be to. I know I know, weather... yields... other excuses. Other industries have external factors as well and they have learned to deal with them. Farmers will adapt and the industry will flourish without government control... and it is control. Free market, and not reliance on Washington is always a better option. It's just another social program that costs all of us money. Most of that money disappears into government. Sorry again if this offends some of you, but you'd all be truly be better off with control over your own products. For those who lean towards all these social programs, please name me one single thing the government does efficiently? One! Don't say taking our money for taxes because they can't even do that well, it's probably what they do best but they suck at that too. The tax codes is so convoluted and confusing that I don't think the best experts truly understand all the details. Nothing the government does is efficient and almost everything the government does now days would be better handled by the free market. Any safely nets should be extremely minimal and for those who are in dire straights. All these bloated social programs are rot, ever growing rot and decay. We need to trim the rot before it's too late and it kills the whole tree. Again, this is just my opinion. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,140 |
"The role of the government is to regulate business (as minimally as possible) and to safeguard us."
Wouldn't that mean the government would have to set minimal standards of what health insurance would have to cover and do away with things like "pre exisiting conditions"? Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Registered: 02/08/2014 Posts: 406 |
Oh come on you're all giving us "Fake" news. Just kidding. Fuel and interest rates are so cheap and the banks are advertising for business "site unseen". So I think I'm going to plant 100x the acres of corn this year so I can pay the rent on what I usually grow. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
Yes, Governments set standards (hopefully minimal standards only when necessary). Like building codes, they keep us safe. Just like speed limits. Limits in front of schools are different than those in rural areas, some expressways in certain areas probably don't need any limits. Standards, but not one size fits all. The government should NOT provide the insurance, and they should NOT build the car. That's goes for every industry.
I want the smallest government possible, not this overreaching monster we've created and we continue to feed. Again, this is just my opinion. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 02/19/2009 Posts: 526 |
Dick as you stated earlier, about farm subsidies and getting rid of them . I agree , but the government needs to do something to get the middle man out of the farmers pockets. I dairy , so last month did some numbers which involves are prices compared to the price in the local stores. Now this was at 17 dollars per hundred we were getting . 2.49 a gallon which is 8.6 pound in store . Which takes 12.5 jugs of milk to make hundred weight which the stores are getting 30.75 per hunderd .There is a 12 dollar difference per hundred between the stores getting and what the farmers are not getting. I am sure it's doesn't take 12 dollars per hundred to process and deliver. |
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David, how many cows you run thru the parlor, just curious on the amount of feed per cow it takes. |
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Registered: 02/19/2009 Posts: 526 |
I have a stanchion Barn, milk about 45 cows , enough for a one-man job , kids have no interest , so no use of expanding. Running about 85 pounds of TMR per day per cow. I don't push them because our milk company went to a quota system 4 years now. Feed cost is around 2250.00 and at 17 dollars per hundred , a milk check after deductions is about 3400 a month . So not alot wiggle room , but all my Machinery is paid for and not a big bank loan . But , take in consideration that I raise all my feed , so that feed cost is also crop expenses. The part that I don't like is the price of the unexpected expenses, that what killing the farmers |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
David,
First, I'm Jake. Second, the middle man is entitled to make money too. How much? I don't know that's his business. I don't know what it cost to process and deliver the milk to the stores. The processors pays for insurance (probably pretty expensive since they would be liable is people got sick or died from consuming their product), wages, trucking, packaging, utilites, constant cleaning to keep the facility food grade, etc... How much money they make is their business. The farmers business as a producer is making milk and selling it to a processor. If you're not comfortable with the processing fee then you should consider getting into the processing business and cutting out the middle man. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but that's the reality with all businesses. Dairy should be no different. It's not the job of the government to set the wages for the middle man, that's what the free market does. If the middle man is gouging then farmers can start a co-op with other farmers and process the dairy themselves. Farmers could also consider getting licensed to sell direct if your state allows. Here in NY you are allowed to sell raw milk if you meet certain strict guidelines. There are options. Just like in all business there are options and there are choice that we all have to make. Again, personal accountability and personal decisions. Do most machine shops get to set the price of materials? No they simply buy from a middle man that suits their needs and not directly from the foundry. There are shops that have made their own foundry to cut out the middle man. Again options and personal choices. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 02/19/2009 Posts: 526 |
Jake, ok what if the middle man is gouging the consumer and the farmer at the same time who's to regulate that if you want the government not involved? And this is for all products , fruits and vegetables, beef , pork and dairy. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
Then the free market will step in and find a new middle man. Just like in any other industry. It happens every single day in every non-government controlled industry. The supermarkets and stores that sell the milk will buy from a different supplier. If the middle man really is gouging on either side then it's a perfect opportunity for competition. Again, you could work together with local farmers and start a Co-op and compete against the middle man with your growing diary processing business (it should grow quick since it can gouge and making money hand over fist) and the Co-op can either continue to gouge until someone puts you out of business or you could offer your services at a much more fair price.
As for your $12 difference between you and the store... do you think the store is making any of that as profit too? Is the store making $6 and the processor making $6? Does the processor make more than the store? Less? I don't know. Does the store get a government check if the milk doesn't sell and goes bad? I don't know. Should they no! Should the the processor get a government check to cover their milk product waste? No. They are business, just like Farms are businesses. The middle man is evil is just nonsense. The middle man provides a service, when he does that poorly he goes out of business. When he does that well everyone prospers. The free market can regulate the middle man very effectively. Why do we always have to look to the government when the free market can sort it out quicker and more efficiently. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,140 |
I fully agree on the free market - except for one thing:
Monopols. You can't have those... Well.. and another thing: Stuff that runs with sirens shouldn't be 100% private. The market always includes and needs failure and you don't want that in your personal safety, fire fighting and health... And you might want to google a little bit what the "Chicago Boys" (Friedman's students) caused in Chile. "strong inflow of capital and an overvaluation of the Chilean peso. As a result of the overvaluation, Chile's exports declined and the country was flooded with cheap imported goods. [72] The low regulation of banking and lending, as well as the abundance of money and low interest rates, has resulted in risky business practices in the privatized banking sector. During the global recession that followed the oil price crisis, the price of the most important Chilean export commodity, copper, declined. The country itself went into a severe recession, which was accompanied by a collapse of large parts of the over-indebted financial system. Many companies had to close." Sounds familiar? Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2020 07:58AM by Sascha. |
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Agreed, but we have plenty of laws on the books against monopolies. That's the type of minimal government regulation I was eluding to earlier. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Hmm.....sure sounds like the best solution would be to "regulate the supply to the demand"........so everyone makes a fair, guaranteed profit, and the consumer gets a safe product for a fair price they can rely on.
If only there was a way to manage the supply system to the consumption side.......Hmm......... |
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Because some humans are not team players, -only selfish money hungry, never enough mentality,People need to be really Happy that The NFO never got a strong hold over the whole country - or we would all be paying much more for food, Car and steel workers made sure their pay was high enough,look what a pickup costs, with the manufactures paying for all benefits for yrs after,medicines and recreational none essential drugs included,funerals 10 - 20 K, 1500 per hr dr. lawyers,dentist,accountants, ------ majority of jobs do not pay enough to support those kinds of expenses.They want 25000.00 to reshingle a house with normal roofs, 1300 sq. ft. Equitable is only good if you are on the receiving end. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
In a Free Market Economy supply and demand is self regulating. It works in other industries. Why is farming different?
For those who want government regulation and intervention, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion and we can disagree and still be friends. All I ask is that you please be honest with yourself. Be honest and have the integrity to admit that you don't fully believe in the Free Market. You prefer some or all socialist policies. You'd rather rely on the government to constantly intervene in some, or all, of your life. Lots of people feel that way. In fact more and more people feel that way now days. Some are half in on socialism, some are all in and love AOC, that's fine just admit it. I actually have more respect for those who admit they are all in than those who say they hate socialism when it benefits someone else but love it when it benefits them. Jut be honest and consistent. If I feel differently, no hard feelings. For the guy who said $25,000 to re-shingle a 13 sq roof... I've done my share of roofs and I'd take that money all day long. Heck, I'll do it for $20,000. Obviously roofers in your area are in high demand and short supply. Again, if that's what you're paying then someone will eventually start a business and undercut that price and quickly take over that market and drive those prices down. The other option if you're able bodied is to learn a new skill and do the job yourself, it's probably about $4,000 in materials for a complete tear-off. I know I don't want government coming in and setting the price for my roof... or what I could charge to do a roof. That's my business, not theirs. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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I think what Jake is referring too is the premise that if the middle man is gouging both the producer and the comsumer, another middle man will move in seeing an opportunity for profits. It's essentially true capitalism. Milton Friedman was a believer in this concept. |
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Always has and always will be a difference in thinking -- if you are the Payer, or the Payee.We all want to sell high and buy cheap, just common sense, a fair parity price, not exobanaint prices. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
If the price is high then it's either the demand is high, the supply is low, or both.
I'll price some jobs high because I know that I don't want to really do them, or I know the customer is going to be difficult to work with, or because I don't have much spare time. If they still go with my estimate it's because I'm in demand or my supply of time is low. If that the case then I should be able to ask for more money. If they choose to go a cheaper route then that's fine too. Sure it's a difference in thinking, the guy buying wants it cheap, the guy selling wants more. The Free Market sets the price that's fair. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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