Biden voters October 29, 2020 03:24AM
Is there anyone on here voting for Biden\Harris? I assume everyone here is Republican but I'm just curious if I'm wrong.

Re: Biden voters October 29, 2020 05:08AM
If there were, do you honestly think they would share that opinion on here? This forum would be "hostile territory" as it were.



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Re: Biden voters October 29, 2020 02:04PM
Well, I'm not a Republican (my wife is)... and I'm definitely not a Democrat, just an independent. I actually didn't know ANYONE was voting for Biden, I thought this years election was just people either voting: for Donald Trump or against Donald Trump (or just staying home and not voting at all).

For those staying home... don't, go out and vote, due your civic duty, even if you're like me... in a state where your vote doesn't really matter.



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Re: Biden voters October 30, 2020 10:35AM
trumps bought buy russia. just sayin.

Re: Biden voters October 30, 2020 12:43PM
Just keep soaking in all that junk the media feeds you. And the Hunter stuff that all “disinformation”.

People are sheep. You wanna see how ignorant people are? Remember the toilet paper “shortage”?Grinning

Re: Biden voters November 03, 2020 10:07AM
I know lots of people thru church,farming,and tractor pulling..If any of them are voting for Biden they are sure keeping it a big secret...

Re: Biden voters November 03, 2020 10:45AM
What I know, you must live in the same community as I do! We have the same here! Lol
Coincidence? I think not!!! Here comes the landslide!! Get ready to pass out the hankies!!! Lol

Re: Biden voters November 04, 2020 02:08AM
I hope the libertarians that "voted their conscience" and placed a vote for Jorgensen enjoy the new green deal. Truly hope they enjoy it.

Re: Biden voters November 04, 2020 04:21AM
That is sooo true! It really hurt the Trump numbers

Re: Biden voters November 04, 2020 05:16AM
If things go south and Biden ends up winning this thing, how does pulling (among other things) look for the future? America will never be the same, God help us all!

Re: Biden voters i November 04, 2020 05:40AM
Biden will kill tractor pulling an anything else fun anyone does

Re: Biden voters i November 04, 2020 06:41AM
Biden doesn’t worry me, he is a do nothing democrat. Now, when Kamala takes over in 6 months, better watch out...

Re: Biden voters i November 04, 2020 09:45AM
My biggest fear was President Harris and a Democrat Senate... if that ever happens I honestly believe this country will be radically changed (for the worse) forever... thankfully the Senate didn't swing that way. Without the Senate they can't pack the Supreme Court... thankfully.



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Re: Biden voters i November 04, 2020 01:18PM
I live in a red state and am proud of it!!!

Re: Biden voters i November 09, 2020 03:04PM
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I live in a red state and am proud of it!!!

I live in a blue state and I am not proud of it. If Illinois would get rid of Chicago then Illinois would become a red state and I would be proud to live here.

Re: Biden voters November 04, 2020 09:40AM
I guess it depends on what state you're talking about. Here in NY I could vote for Kanye West or Mickey Mouse or myself and it wouldn't matter one bit... unfortunately the democrat always wins this state because of the downstate (NYC) vote. My vote didn't matter one bit.



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Re: Biden voters November 04, 2020 02:04PM
LSS Fan is completely right. The Libertarian candidate sunk Trump. Go through the narrow victory margins for Biden. This election would be over if Jorgensen was off the ballots. - Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and possibly more. Green Party never seems to draw that big number from Dems

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 09:40AM
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LSS Fan is completely right. The Libertarian candidate sunk Trump. Go through the narrow victory margins for Biden. This election would be over if Jorgensen was off the ballots. - Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and possibly more. Green Party never seems to draw that big number from Dems

Blame the Libertarians? That's a pretty lame scapegoat. You're assuming that libertarians would have all voted for Trump. Bad assumption. There are liberal leaning libertarians and conservative leaning libertarians. There are people who would have just stayed home if it was only a Trump v. Biden election with no additional options and that would have had an impact on down ballot races as well. It's not the Libertarians (or any 3rd party) fault if the President isn't re-elected. Why not just blame California... Why not blame surburban women... why not blame Catholics... why not blame [insert small group here].

If the President doesn't win four things sank Trump...
  1. The Media was against him more than any President in history. When 90% of the news stories are negative towards the President it doesn't seems very fair and balanced. They can sway more voter than any Libertarian candidate.
  2. Social Media censored articles critical of Biden but didn't have the same standard for Trump (how's Facebook working for you guys now!). Big tech may be the death of this nation... Google, Facebook and Twitter are not your friends. They have a radical left-wing agenda and people on the right continue to use and support them... for those on Twitter... get off Twitter and get on Parler... find social media that allows free speech. The influence of Social Media is far, far, far greater than people think, watch "The Creepy Line" and you'll be amazed at how much control the tech giants have over this country (and the world). This might actually be the number one reason the election turned out closer than is should have.
  3. Voter fraud is rampant in this election. There will be more and more examples in the next few weeks... and finally
  4. Donald Trump sank Donald Trump. He acted like a child in the first debate and that turned off many Americans. He tweets too many things without thinking. He says idiotic things (like declaring victory) without thinking. He kept Dr. Faucci around way, way ,way too long. He is his own worst enemy. If this election was just about his track record for the past 3.7 years he would have won in a landslide. Instead he made the election about himself and that didn't work out too well. Many of his policies benefited the vast majority of American, but his persona turned off a large portion of Americans.
Again, he should have won in a landslide but he had a lot of forces against him.

When the dust settles I think we'll be stuck with President Biden for the short-term and President Harris for the rest of the term. My hope is that the Republicans can nominate someone like Nikki Haley (not Donald Trump, not any of his family...) to run against Harris... an old white guy doesn't stand a chance against an incumbent woman President.



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Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 10:43AM
Exactly
If he’d stayed out of sight and out mind and kept his mouth shut instead of alienating everyone it would been have no contest
I’m going out in favor of Kristi Noem governor of South Dakota for the next go round if there is another round

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 10:57AM
Kristi Noem would be a great choice too. The one thing against her is that she's white. Identity politics are a huge factor now days. Personally I think it's stupid... seems like we should just care who's the best person for the job, but too many people would rather look at gender (yes it's still a thing... it's even scientific), race/ethnicity, etc... All those things matter to a great number of voters. Kristi Noem is also from South Dakota... not a state with a big population and from an electoral college standpoint she doesn't bring much to the table. don't get me wrong, I think she'd be great and nless she changes she's done some really great things already in her state that would earn my vote but Haley checks a few more boxes to upset an incumbent minority woman.



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Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 11:18AM
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Jake Morgan

LSS Fan is completely right. The Libertarian candidate sunk Trump. Go through the narrow victory margins for Biden. This election would be over if Jorgensen was off the ballots. - Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and possibly more. Green Party never seems to draw that big number from Dems

Blame the Libertarians? That's a pretty lame scapegoat. You're assuming that libertarians would have all voted for Trump. Bad assumption. There are liberal leaning libertarians and conservative leaning libertarians. There are people who would have just stayed home if it was only a Trump v. Biden election with no additional options and that would have had an impact on down ballot races as well. It's not the Libertarians (or any 3rd party) fault if the President isn't re-elected. Why not just blame California... Why not blame surburban women... why not blame Catholics... why not blame .

If the President doesn't win four things sank Trump...

[*] The Media was against him more than any President in history. When 90% of the news stories are negative towards the President it doesn't seems very fair and balanced. They can sway more voter than any Libertarian candidate.
[*] Social Media censored articles critical of Biden but didn't have the same standard for Trump (how's Facebook working for you guys now!). Big tech may be the death of this nation... Google, Facebook and Twitter are not your friends. They have a radical left-wing agenda and people on the right continue to use and support them... for those on Twitter... get off Twitter and get on Parler... find social media that allows free speech. The influence of Social Media is far, far, far greater than people think, watch "The Creepy Line" and you'll be amazed at how much control the tech giants have over this country (and the world). This might actually be the number one reason the election turned out closer than is should have.
[*] Voter fraud is rampant in this election. There will be more and more examples in the next few weeks... and finally
[*] Donald Trump sank Donald Trump. He acted like a child in the first debate and that turned off many Americans. He tweets too many things without thinking. He says idiotic things (like declaring victory) without thinking. He kept Dr. Faucci around way, way ,way too long. He is his own worst enemy. If this election was just about his track record for the past 3.7 years he would have won in a landslide. Instead he made the election about himself and that didn't work out too well. Many of his policies benefited the vast majority of American, but his persona turned off a large portion of Americans.
Again, he should have won in a landslide but he had a lot of forces against him.

When the dust settles I think we'll be stuck with President Biden for the short-term and President Harris for the rest of the term. My hope is that the Republicans can nominate someone like Nikki Haley (not Donald Trump, not any of his family...) to run against Harris... an old white guy doesn't stand a chance against an incumbent woman President.



Jake,I pretty much agree with most of what you said..Trump just wouldnt shut up and pretty much beat himself..Towards the end several of the strong Republicans in my area including me were getting tired of it...I cringed when he came on TV the other night and Trump declared himself the winner..He even caught Pence off guard..

Covid-19 also had lots to do with him losing..I think it cost him Arizona and several other states..China is smiling as they accomplished what they wanted.....If there had been no Covid,Trump would have easily won the election..

I'm sure that theres been plenty of election fraud..2020 cant go away quickly enough...The thought of Biden and Harris running the country for the next 4 years doesnt set well with me and many others...They will try and shut the country down and pulling will be in jeopardy for 2021..

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 05:49PM
I'd say the fact that he lied on a daily basis might have had an impact with the outcome. Alot of folks on the right seem to leave that part out. His handling of the pandemic has been terrible. He's singlehandedly turned us into a laughingstock on the global stage. And the whole time we had "the greatest economy ever", our national debt just kept getting bigger. Maybe people are sick of the fact that their middle class household pays more in taxes than a billionaire. And then a bunch of you hide behind your religious ideals to justify voting for a man that slept with a pornstar weeks after his wife gave birth. And now he's going to go out kicking and screaming like the spoiled, entitled child that he's always been.

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 10:50PM
It's easy to armchair quarterback but I'd love to hear what you think he should have done differently with COVID.



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Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 12:54PM
Grubby,

I'm still waiting to hear what he should have done different with COVID. I don't care about what he said or tweeted, I want to know what you think he should have DONE differently.



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Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 03:37PM
Agree with Jake. What should have been done differently with COVID? You stated everything that Hillary would not have done, but no answers to what should have been done. If you are scared of it, stay home, go to church, or tell us the answers. Millions of Americans continue to go to work and the economy continues to bounce back. Being scared, locking down, and hiding is not the answer for the country. No other country in the world has the answer either.

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 12:00AM
Grubby " PRESIDENT OF THE OPTIMUS CLUB" if you'll tell use where your located theres alot of us will come help you move out of this horrible place, probably even buy you a ONEWAY ticket to china, that way we're not holding you back from fixing this coronia virus mess that was released on the great USA in an election year-- funny how that all happened this yr, they couldn't get the president out of office with anything else so they " the democrats" are behind this too !!!!

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 02:07AM
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I'd say the fact that he lied on a daily basis might have had an impact with the outcome. Alot of folks on the right seem to leave that part out. His handling of the pandemic has been terrible. He's singlehandedly turned us into a laughingstock on the global stage. And the whole time we had "the greatest economy ever", our national debt just kept getting bigger. Maybe people are sick of the fact that their middle class household pays more in taxes than a billionaire. And then a bunch of you hide behind your religious ideals to justify voting for a man that slept with a pornstar weeks after his wife gave birth. And now he's going to go out kicking and screaming like the spoiled, entitled child that he's always been.


Please tell us what lying old Hillary would have done different with Covid-19.....For all you know she could have had just as many or more deaths than Trump..China is having a big laugh over all of this....Sadly no matter whom is president the debt will just keep on getting bigger...Even Bill Clinton added 1.5 trillion to the debt..Obama added 9 trillion to the debt...Biden will add plenty to the debt.

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 03:16AM
She probably wouldn't have kept saying it was "no worse than the flu" for 9 months. She wouldn't have ridiculed people that did wear masks. She wouldn't have told people to ingest disinfectant. She wouldn't have lied about all these miracle cures that don't exist. She wouldn't have had rallies with thousands of people not wearing masks. She wouldn't have completely disagreed with the entire medical community. And then she wouldn't have been responsible for hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN lives needlessly being lost. Why is the religious right not going ballistic because he used fetal cells in his own coronavirus treatment? Why don't you tell me why it's acceptable for the POTUS to lie thousands of times during his 4 year term. Blatant, outright lies. When did that become acceptable? Explain why its okay for Trump to dodge fighting in Vietnam and then viciously ridicule John McCain? How come I pay more in taxes than a billionaire? How come Wisconsin lost 818 farms last year? Where's all the "clean coal" at these days? Where are all the new jobs? Why did the tax-payers have to bail out Wall Street and big business again? Feel free to answer some of those questions.

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 05:06AM
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Grubby
She probably wouldn't have kept saying it was "no worse than the flu" for 9 months. She wouldn't have ridiculed people that did wear masks. She wouldn't have told people to ingest disinfectant. She wouldn't have lied about all these miracle cures that don't exist. She wouldn't have had rallies with thousands of people not wearing masks. She wouldn't have completely disagreed with the entire medical community. And then she wouldn't have been responsible for hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN lives needlessly being lost. Why is the religious right not going ballistic because he used fetal cells in his own coronavirus treatment? Why don't you tell me why it's acceptable for the POTUS to lie thousands of times during his 4 year term. Blatant, outright lies. When did that become acceptable? Explain why its okay for Trump to dodge fighting in Vietnam and then viciously ridicule John McCain? How come I pay more in taxes than a billionaire? How come Wisconsin lost 818 farms last year? Where's all the "clean coal" at these days? Where are all the new jobs? Why did the tax-payers have to bail out Wall Street and big business again? Feel free to answer some of those questions.

If you can find him, ask Hunter.

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 05:07AM
Grubby I will address one thing in you statement above. Coal was a victim of market conditions and market conditions only as technology already exists to make it a cleaner fuel source. Cheap natural gas is what killed coal (even though there are probably some politicians that took credit for it) and subsidizing it as heavily as solar and wind would have been the only way to save it. And guess what, if a ban on fracking is put in place you can pretty much kiss that cheap natural gas goodbye so what then is going to be an energy source to charge your Tesla?

Biden voters just don't get it November 06, 2020 01:12PM
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Grubby
She probably wouldn't have kept saying it was "no worse than the flu" for 9 months. She wouldn't have ridiculed people that did wear masks. She wouldn't have told people to ingest disinfectant. She wouldn't have lied about all these miracle cures that don't exist. She wouldn't have had rallies with thousands of people not wearing masks. She wouldn't have completely disagreed with the entire medical community. And then she wouldn't have been responsible for hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN lives needlessly being lost. Why is the religious right not going ballistic because he used fetal cells in his own coronavirus treatment? Why don't you tell me why it's acceptable for the POTUS to lie thousands of times during his 4 year term. Blatant, outright lies. When did that become acceptable? Explain why its okay for Trump to dodge fighting in Vietnam and then viciously ridicule John McCain? How come I pay more in taxes than a billionaire? How come Wisconsin lost 818 farms last year? Where's all the "clean coal" at these days? Where are all the new jobs? Why did the tax-payers have to bail out Wall Street and big business again? Feel free to answer some of those questions.

Keep drinking the coolaid Grubby, one day you will get a good dose of what you are voting for and unfortunately the rest of us who DID NOT vote for the crap will too, then let's hear about how bad you have it! You must be one of those left behind by some of the old school democrats who have opened their eyes to the truth and have come to realize how corrupt the Democratic party has become in the past few decades and voted for Trump to try and keep the country alive and headed in the right direction. And yes I personally know some old school strong union guys that have turned away from the corruption and voted Trump too! I wish you well Grubby best wishes.

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 11:30AM
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Grubby
I'd say the fact that he lied on a daily basis might have had an impact with the outcome. Alot of folks on the right seem to leave that part out. His handling of the pandemic has been terrible. He's singlehandedly turned us into a laughingstock on the global stage. And the whole time we had "the greatest economy ever", our national debt just kept getting bigger. Maybe people are sick of the fact that their middle class household pays more in taxes than a billionaire. And then a bunch of you hide behind your religious ideals to justify voting for a man that slept with a pornstar weeks after his wife gave birth. And now he's going to go out kicking and screaming like the spoiled, entitled child that he's always been.

Are you going to tell us that Obama never lied? How about Biden, he doesn't lie either? Give me a break. The man's entire career has been based on telling people what they want to hear to get them on his side.

As for the Covid response, On January 31, the president placed a temporary ban on travel from China (where the pandemic originated) as an effort to stop or at least slow the spread of the disease into this country. In response to this, Nancy Pelosi very publicly went to Chinatown, and told people to "come on down". Biden's response was to call the ban overly aggressive, and xenophobic.

Prior to the Covid pandemic, the economy in this country was doing very well. Lowest unemployment rate in the history of that being tracked. Lowest black and hispanic unemployment in the history of it being tracked. Yes, over the last 7 or so months, that has somewhat collapsed, but due to the pandemic, no do to any action of the president.

National debt, like others have said, will continue to grow. If Biden is elected, I see to possibilities. Either national debt will continue to grow, at a rate faster than over the last 4 years, or taxes will rise exponentially. That's the only two options, especially considering all of the "free money" policies that the left want to implement.

Trump has actually worked to implement tax reform. He has worked to close loopholes that he himself used in the past to reduce his tax liability. Those loopholes were structured in a way that they were not usable by a "middle class family". These loopholes were created by elected officials well before Trump even began to run for office.

I don't personally believe in using religious ideals alone to choose a candidate. Yes, my religious ideals go a long way to influence my own personal moral code, and that code does influence my choice of candidates. I know that we will never get a candidate that has never done anything wrong. Personally, I also don't believe that a person's past failures, especially those that don't directly apply to the position they are running for, should disqualify them for the position.

As far as going out kicking and screaming, and acting like a spoiled child, perhaps Trump learned from Hillary Clinton, who still to this day has not conceded the 2016 election, and has spent the last 4 years working to get Trump removed from office.

Now, most people won't get this far, but, all that being said, Trump, in my personal opinion is not the "perfect" person for the job. I personally believe that politics in this country has become too much of a popularity contest, and not nearly enough the selection of the best person for the job. I believe that many of the best potential candidates never run, or even get involved in politics. They stay away because they do not wish to have a microscope aimed at themselves, their lives, every mistake they have ever made, and at the same of their families. I do however, believe that Trump more closely represents me, and the direction I want to see this country take, than his competitors have.

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 12:22PM
Very well said, i agree !!!

Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 01:42PM
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I'd say the fact that he lied on a daily basis might have had an impact with the outcome. Alot of folks on the right seem to leave that part out. His handling of the pandemic has been terrible. He's singlehandedly turned us into a laughingstock on the global stage. And the whole time we had "the greatest economy ever", our national debt just kept getting bigger. Maybe people are sick of the fact that their middle class household pays more in taxes than a billionaire. And then a bunch of you hide behind your religious ideals to justify voting for a man that slept with a pornstar weeks after his wife gave birth. And now he's going to go out kicking and screaming like the spoiled, entitled child that he's always been.

Are you going to tell us that Obama never lied? How about Biden, he doesn't lie either? Give me a break. The man's entire career has been based on telling people what they want to hear to get them on his side.

As for the Covid response, On January 31, the president placed a temporary ban on travel from China (where the pandemic originated) as an effort to stop or at least slow the spread of the disease into this country. In response to this, Nancy Pelosi very publicly went to Chinatown, and told people to "come on down". Biden's response was to call the ban overly aggressive, and xenophobic.

Prior to the Covid pandemic, the economy in this country was doing very well. Lowest unemployment rate in the history of that being tracked. Lowest black and hispanic unemployment in the history of it being tracked. Yes, over the last 7 or so months, that has somewhat collapsed, but due to the pandemic, no do to any action of the president.

National debt, like others have said, will continue to grow. If Biden is elected, I see to possibilities. Either national debt will continue to grow, at a rate faster than over the last 4 years, or taxes will rise exponentially. That's the only two options, especially considering all of the "free money" policies that the left want to implement.

Trump has actually worked to implement tax reform. He has worked to close loopholes that he himself used in the past to reduce his tax liability. Those loopholes were structured in a way that they were not usable by a "middle class family". These loopholes were created by elected officials well before Trump even began to run for office.

I don't personally believe in using religious ideals alone to choose a candidate. Yes, my religious ideals go a long way to influence my own personal moral code, and that code does influence my choice of candidates. I know that we will never get a candidate that has never done anything wrong. Personally, I also don't believe that a person's past failures, especially those that don't directly apply to the position they are running for, should disqualify them for the position.

As far as going out kicking and screaming, and acting like a spoiled child, perhaps Trump learned from Hillary Clinton, who still to this day has not conceded the 2016 election, and has spent the last 4 years working to get Trump removed from office.

Now, most people won't get this far, but, all that being said, Trump, in my personal opinion is not the "perfect" person for the job. I personally believe that politics in this country has become too much of a popularity contest, and not nearly enough the selection of the best person for the job. I believe that many of the best potential candidates never run, or even get involved in politics. They stay away because they do not wish to have a microscope aimed at themselves, their lives, every mistake they have ever made, and at the same of their families. I do however, believe that Trump more closely represents me, and the direction I want to see this country take, than his competitors have.

Stated very well ABOBB; if the truth be known, Hillary, Soros, Biden, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff probably were in on the covid launch with China.
It worked out very well with their plan to utilize the all new 2020 mail in ballots for all / Vote early and vote often / just like in Chicago

Re: Biden voters November 04, 2020 10:53PM
A GOP-led Senate is the biggest need right now to prevent the radical agenda of the Democratic party.

If that's done, we'll have gridlock for two years, and exposure of the Biden/Harris camp for what they are. That will, as it always does, swing the House of Representatives back the other way, which quietly started anyway in this election cycle. The Dems thought there would be a blue wave and the GOP ended up picking up seats.

One more thing - the Libertarian influence on the election only goes to show that we have disenfranchised voters that didn't like either party's choices. It is the beauty of a the republic that every voice can be heard-though we may not agree with it.



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Re: Biden voters November 06, 2020 01:43PM
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A GOP-led Senate is the biggest need right now to prevent the radical agenda of the Democratic party.

If that's done, we'll have gridlock for two years, and exposure of the Biden/Harris camp for what they are. That will, as it always does, swing the House of Representatives back the other way, which quietly started anyway in this election cycle. The Dems thought there would be a blue wave and the GOP ended up picking up seats.

One more thing - the Libertarian influence on the election only goes to show that we have disenfranchised voters that didn't like either party's choices. It is the beauty of a the republic that every voice can be heard-though we may not agree with it.

I agree!

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 04:46AM
Here in NC we had 300K more people voted than was registered to vote. Had almost 2K people voted that were dead. I'm afraid to go outside, might see some "walking dead" folk.

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 06:17AM
No matter how you look at this election, there is fraud written all over it. The dems have been preaching for months about how they would come out on top after waiting for "All the mail in ballots" were counted. Why do you think they been saying that? I know, because of their corrupt plan to infuse the ballot boxes with counterfeit votes. Thats how. Corruption at its finest! When the smoke clears, I believe Trump will prevail.

Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 10:57AM
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Here in NC we had 300K more people voted than was registered to vote. Had almost 2K people voted that were dead. I'm afraid to go outside, might see some "walking dead" folk.

I just checked and NC has 7,361,000 registered voters...With 94% of the vote in there have been 5,387,000 votes...By the way I voted for Trump but whats killing things is that lots of the big cities are going 70% or more for Biden..Rural America was strong for Trump..My county was 79% Trump and 21% Biden..


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Re: Biden voters November 05, 2020 01:19PM
Dems knew that if they could use the reason of COVID to have ballots sent out blindly they’d get numbers they needed. “Voters want to vote safely” was the reason. No, it was to run up the numbers - get Election Day to become election month(s) - If this was done in 2016, Hillary would’ve been in Thumbs Down

Mail in ballot / bad decision November 05, 2020 12:38PM
The big mistake is the mail in ballot fiasco.

How convenient was it to have Covid pop up in an election year and then conveniently broadcast mail in ballots to everyone. Very fishy.
Just as fishy as the big Democrat cities.

They should have just dropped them out of an airplane. No accountability whatsoever.

Should have to vote in person with an ID or through an absentee ballot request system with a number and a chain of custody.
No mail in ballots.

Democrats in PA are really showing us they are shady.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 06, 2020 12:04AM
Yes it is very telling that voter fraud is rampant... Dems are so dumb they forgot to mark the congressional positions too... Don't you think if voter fraud was realy a huge issue as some suggest they would have won the presidency and made sure they flipped congress?

Sounds stupid to do it any other way. And yes it is very inconvenient to have people dieing in an election year from a disease that no one has immunity from. I'm sure the dems and all the other countries fighting covid have a massive agreement to oust the president. This is a global pandemic if you don't believe someone on a forum then search news from other countries. We as American's have somehow decided that we are the center of the universe... We have to pull our heads out.

The reality is if Trump would have shut his mouth even half the time he would have won...

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 06, 2020 02:51AM
Regarding the Dems stupidity..... I’ll say this, if they voted Trump out because of the way he handled the virus, then I guess no leader around the world is safe because it’s everywhere. They could always move to Britain snd be shut down for a month.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 06, 2020 03:08AM
I would say on most fronts the us leads the way especially in healthcare (maybe not the cost get government out of it and it will get cheaper) and the current administration ignores the the guidelines from some very intelligent people who have spent their careers researching viruses and pandemics. My personal opinion is let people do whatever they want but give them the truths they need to know to be safe.

Masks work believe it or not research it look at what has happened in KS this last month it is a great test of masks vs no masks... I don't like them but wear them everyday at work. Our area had schools not wear them and the virus spread in those schools. The schools that had masks have had isolated non spreading incidence.

There is no go way to go through a pandemic, shutting down the economy is stupid, give the people the correct information and let them choose. We are adults in a mostly free country, can't do anything with government permission but still more free than most countries.

Trump is device you either love him or hate him, that was why he won in 2016 and more than likely why he will failed in 2020. I didn't vote for Biden or any other Democrat for that matter... We can't pretend everyone thinks like we do the world is not what it was 50 yrs ago.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 02:52AM
masks can not contain or control a virus, - like chicken wire to keep out bugs, or a screen door on a submarine, come on people wake up, fake B.S. is rampant,and very fluid.A mask might help your spit from going far, but after it is saturated - I wonder how much.And all you people thinking a wipe helps kill it, read the labels, if not on the surface for 3-4 minutes it is only a small potion that is even slightly affected, germs are tenacious, not like us weak Americans that run to the urgent care for every little scratch and cough, we have killed all the natural immunity from over use of medical pushed on us, sick and ignorant people fed fake news can more easily be controlled.Jamie Lee Curtis made millions selling active bacteria to woman that self medicated all the good natural bacteria out of their systems.All the numbers being floated around about C-19 is as scientific as picking a floating duck out of the co. fair carney rides game lineup.And going to school three days and staying home two, -------- helps how.with 80-90 % showing no symptoms, there is NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way to stop it, must run it's course and we will build immunity, sure some will pass, just like everyday, we kill so many with drugs,cars,cancer, and heart issues, death is part of Life, Those whom are mature remember when they gave us a dose of smallpox, polio, and ect.With this hot fall early winter warm weather remember the Armistice Day fiasco yrs ago, stay safe.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 09:14AM
While I agree you can't stop covid it's transmission can be slowed with masks... Scientist who study it say so and all around the world places that social distance and wear masks have slowed the spread, see Kansas.

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If 80 to 90 had no symptoms it would have made it and the world already. I have seen reports or 40 percent symptom free and most transmission is from presymptomatic or asymptomatic people. The facts are out there to interpret.

The state of Iowa changed its quarantine rules based on if both parties were masked or not, must be something to it. Medical clinics and hospitals make even healthy people where masks... I'm assuming because the medical professionals believe it helps reduce transmission.

As always everyone is entitled to their opinions, doesn't make them right. I think all said and done years from now they will determine covid wasn't that much worse than alot of other things. Maybe you are right though forget anyone who can't live through, it their problem not ours.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 07:12PM
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masks can not contain or control a virus, - like chicken wire to keep out bugs, or a screen door on a submarine, come on people wake up, fake B.S. is rampant,and very fluid.A mask might help your spit from going far, but after it is saturated - I wonder how much.And all you people thinking a wipe helps kill it, read the labels, if not on the surface for 3-4 minutes it is only a small potion that is even slightly affected, germs are tenacious, not like us weak Americans that run to the urgent care for every little scratch and cough, we have killed all the natural immunity from over use of medical pushed on us, sick and ignorant people fed fake news can more easily be controlled.Jamie Lee Curtis made millions selling active bacteria to woman that self medicated all the good natural bacteria out of their systems.All the numbers being floated around about C-19 is as scientific as picking a floating duck out of the co. fair carney rides game lineup.And going to school three days and staying home two, -------- helps how.with 80-90 % showing no symptoms, there is NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way to stop it, must run it's course and we will build immunity, sure some will pass, just like everyday, we kill so many with drugs,cars,cancer, and heart issues, death is part of Life, Those whom are mature remember when they gave us a dose of smallpox, polio, and ect.With this hot fall early winter warm weather remember the Armistice Day fiasco yrs ago, stay safe.

Ok lets do a pretend scenario. You are in the hospital to get a heart bypass surgery. As you are just about the go under you overhear the surgeon tell the nurse that he has decided that wearing a mask is too hot and uncomfortable to wear. And he cannot feel the knife with gloves so he is not going to wear them. Tell me again how ineffective masks are.. How a few "bugs" cannot kill us. Please explain your logic.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 09:01AM
You said it exactly this country isn’t like it was 50 years ago you guys all cry about make America great again what about all the old white business owners who sent their jobs overseas 50 years ago to make more and more money and now we have no real jobs in this country so now the reality is we got to take care of people who can’t get a A real Job . And not considering flipping hamburgers a real job .All we’ve seen and heard how you guys said that we were crying and @#$%& our feelings blah blah blah now the shoes on the other foot so don’t bitch move on!!! Not to mention you farmers are Cryan for Trump and he cost you over two dollars a bushel just on beans exporting the China wake up

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 09:33AM
Your right, you be the one crying when our health care system goes down the can! Oh wait a minute, you probably one of the free loaders who want everything for free! Enjoy your freedom now because it is short lived!!

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 07:25PM
there are plenty of jobs, Americans got lazy and wanted to many benefits, unions prized them right out of a job,when businesses are paying more to retired ex employees for medical and crap, than to current workers we have a hell of a problem, - 80-100K for a pickup, 1500 an hr for a lawyer, 500 for a two minute dr. question, that my friend is where the issue is at.The Mexicans are here working because whites won't work.Trucking firms hire all foreigners cause whites won't work,everyone wants top $ to start and a 1/4 million $ house to live in right out of school, no one has a savings account, pay it all backwards, ,those issues along with no ethics, no morality and no pride and self esteem my friends is where the US went down the crapper. I worked the 2010 Census, 40% of the new borns were "brown", -- see above comments.You all better count your damned blessings and be Happy that the NFO never caught on full strength, or you all would have been paying 40-60 % of earned wage for basic staples, instead of on toys vacations and recreation like over the pond has been doing for yrs.All government bureaucracy is corrupt, no fix to it. Go to the DMV, and you will see the problem,my state has more than 24000 state employees, and many drive a state car and do nothing, just like the local coop, most drive a coop vehicle home and around all day with little to show for it, and you wonder why it takes millions extra,Many issues here my friends and covid ain't one of them, all hype and BS numbers game.Nothing scientific about short term numbers when most deaths are listed under one cause, a money game for sure.just remember, we are "ENTITLED", AND WHAT THE HELL WAS ww2 FOUGHT FOR ??????????? AND NOW MANY WANT SOCIALISM HERE, TELL THE RICH THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE EVERYTHING UP SO THE WEAK AND LAZY CAN HAVE IT.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 07, 2020 10:13PM
Exactly right xxx You done my venting for me

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 08, 2020 02:09AM
we were on top in many venues till many thought that the previous success would flow down hill, ya entities, how is that work'n for ya, oh free housing, free food, free med, where the "H" does it come from,us - the under 40% still working, - well guess what it ain't self sustaining, China, India and some others got hungry and passed us by, most new Dr. are foreigners.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 09, 2020 10:01AM
So you’re saying that if your neighbor lost his job and didn’t have any money you wouldn’t help him out and feed him just so he can stay alive. Because this entitlement that you Cried about you act like the government is giving them trucks and four wheelers and their Trump sign on there to go drive around drink the beer. No you guys earned that you went out worked hard and you got the extra toys they’re not getting those toys they’re getting basic food water help with electric bills and a place to live and they’re trying to make their lives better but there’s only so much out there because there’s no good manufacturing jobs to teach them regardless of what the other guy said about all these jobs. But at the end of the day Trump lost fair and square. Let me give you all a piece Of advice quit getting all your information off the Internet and Facebook because 99% of it is not true.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 09, 2020 10:35AM
“There is only one party in America that opposes voter ID,” Kayleigh McEnany said. “One party in America that opposes verifying signatures, citizenship, residency, eligibility. There is only one party in America trying to keep observers out of the count room and that party, my friends, is the Democrat Party. You don’t take these positions because you want an honest election. You don’t oppose an audit of the vote because you want an accurate count. You don’t oppose our efforts at sunlight and transparency because you have nothing to hide.”

You take these positions because you are welcoming fraud and you are welcoming illegal voting,” she said before Fox News cut coverage of her remarks. “Our position is clear, we want to protect the franchise of the American people. We want an honest, accurate, lawful count. We want maximum sunlight; we want maximum transparency. We want every legal vote to be counted and we want every illegal vote to be discarded. Unlike our opponents, we have nothing to hide.”

Why do the Dems oppose finding truth? Yeah, you know why!!!!

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 09, 2020 10:57AM
To --'YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT BIT YOU ARE NOT', this is the internet and that makes your post only 1% real, I love it, cat got the mouse on that one for sure,

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 09, 2020 10:18PM
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“There is only one party in America that opposes voter ID,” Kayleigh McEnany said. “One party in America that opposes verifying signatures, citizenship, residency, eligibility. There is only one party in America trying to keep observers out of the count room and that party, my friends, is the Democrat Party. You don’t take these positions because you want an honest election. You don’t oppose an audit of the vote because you want an accurate count. You don’t oppose our efforts at sunlight and transparency because you have nothing to hide.”

You take these positions because you are welcoming fraud and you are welcoming illegal voting,” she said before Fox News cut coverage of her remarks. “Our position is clear, we want to protect the franchise of the American people. We want an honest, accurate, lawful count. We want maximum sunlight; we want maximum transparency. We want every legal vote to be counted and we want every illegal vote to be discarded. Unlike our opponents, we have nothing to hide.”

Why do the Dems oppose finding truth? Yeah, you know why!!!!

It's all coming to light now; wake up people.
Most of the news networks will not broadcast that because they are paid and controlled by the Left.

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Green New Deal = not good for tractor pulling = Tesla pulling trucks and tractors / I like diesel fuel and methanol at my county fairs

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 10, 2020 08:08AM
Mail in ballots were the downfall of the election. Period. Voter ID is completely legitimate and should be practiced everywhere. You must ID yourself to buy alcohol and tobacco, but not to cast a vote? Which do you think is more harmful?

Also, if you find one - two - even hundreds of ballots that are fraudulent, think of how many you missed. I personally know of ballots sent to 2 separate individuals who both passed away in 2020 (both in Ohio). Now, I know that those ballots were trashed and not sent in, but, how easy would it be to send those in (for Trump or Biden, and the other candidates). In person voting or absentee ballots - Period.

Oh, and Dems will wish Trump won because he'll be pointing out EVERYTHING for four years and then run for 2024. Mark it down.

Re: Mail in ballot / bad decision November 10, 2020 01:27PM
Trump won about every State until the mail ins .And did win all rural areas the big cities went Biden

Update from Rudy Guliani / Philadelphia etc. November 11, 2020 01:27PM
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a bit dramatic... November 12, 2020 01:51AM
"...or you all would have been paying 40-60 % of earned wage for basic staples, instead of on toys vacations and recreation like over the pond"

I am just looking at my payroll here - totally average income (I am employed at our own company - that income coming out of the company profit is taxed at 25%).
Just to give you an idea from "across the pond"

Monthly cost to employer:
5367 $ (for a 40 hour week, 30 days paid vacation, extra 1/2 a salary in July and December, + yearly bonus depending on how the year went - about 1000 - 1500 $ a year).

Taken off are
667 $ income tax
Then government - let's call them "social taxes" - this goes into government-controlled fonds
767 $ mandatory retirement insurance (45% of last net income from 68 years on)
99 $ mandatory unemployment insurance (65 % of last net income for 1 year - can be accessed every 3 years of full employment - if you quitt your job, you get nothing for three months) or 65% of wage paid on missed hours for up to a year when the employer temporarily cuts down hours during a slow economy. Like e.g. now we're paying the Corona mess out of that fond.
144 $ mandatory "elderly care" insurance
240 $ voluntary retirement insurance - private (basically a fond in the stock market)

Then health insurance: There are over 100 insurances here, which are in competition with each other with various extra services (stuff like free gym or acupuncture) and slightly different costs.
They compete on "percentage of income" and not absolute numbers though. Over a certain income, you can also go private. Self-employed you have to go private.
You can always add private stuff on top. If you think need to be treated by the boss only or want the luxury room.

In my case:
630 $ Health insurance (no deductibles, free choice of doctor and hospital, including dental except for tooth replacement) - mandatory to be insured but free to choose the insurance. Family members would be included at the same price.

Other costs
16 % sales tax
0,26 % of house value (when it was new) per year property tax
and 4.60 $ fuel
and the property is A LOT more.


I think the only "free @#$%&" here is tuition - but only if you have the grades to be allowed to go to university (be in the top 35%). That also doesn't include housing or food for students.
Well.. and you can get on welfare if your unemployment runs out, which is like 400 $ a month + heating and housing in a tiny flat paid. Refuse 3 job offers (organized by the local government at private companies) or don't show up to take classes for job qualification or don't prove you're putting in applications or don't show up every few weeks to report how you're progressing with your job search and they cut that by 50%. If you are totally unwilling, even more.

And then you have to adjust it to these numbers (cost of living in your area).

Going by numbeo ( I have just picked Rochester/NY because it's also close to water in a rual area, as we are and compared that with my next bigger City of Oldenburg)

Consumer Prices in Oldenburg are 19.58% lower than in Rochester, NY (without rent)
Rent Prices in Oldenburg are 34.70% lower than in Rochester, NY
Restaurant Prices in Oldenburg are 16.30% lower than in Rochester, NY
Groceries Prices in Oldenburg are 38.62% lower than in Rochester, NY
Local Purchasing Power in Oldenburg is 8.38% higher than in Rochester, NY

Feel free to do your own comparisons (health insurance is included in the "net income" in the Oldenburg numbers)
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If you wonder where I live:
[goo.gl] that's my house in a 20k inhabitant town. You could probably call it a suburb of Oldenburg (20 min by car to the center). Lots of dairy area around here. Unemployment is at 4%.



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