Keystone XL March 08, 2022 03:32AM
I'm confused, my Facebook page is full of "turn the pipeline back on". This pipeline has never been completed and has never carried an ounce of oil. Granted it's construction was halted by the current resident of the white house (I have a hard time calling such an incompetent person the President). It was also stalled by the other incompetent that was in that office before Trump.

I was saying during the last presidential campaign that if Slow Joe got elected and just mentioned shutting down this construction project the price of oil would jump. He did and it did on speculation alone.

This combined with the administration's regulations on the oil production in this country have stifled oil production in this country. Question, does oil from across the ocean pollute less than our oil? If not then why are we ruining our economy by not producing our own and at the very least partnering with our friendly neighbors to the north? Every single aspect of our lives relies on oil in some way or another, as oil prices skyrocket so goes the price of EVERTHING!!!

My wife says that the powers that be don't drive to a gas station to fill up their vehicles they have people that drive them from here to there, they don't feel that kick in the wallet that average American feels. Besides what she says they all are getting wealthy from the government teat, the more money you have the less it affects you. They can climb aboard their private jets and yell from the top of the steps...suck it up people for the good of the green new deal!!! AL Gore, John Kerry and Nancy can you hear us over the sound of the jet engines starting up on your way to the next Climate Change Conference!? Let's go Brandon is what we are saying in case you didn't hear us (We can explainthat phrase if you don't get it)!

S'no Farmer

Re: Keystone XL March 08, 2022 04:58AM
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Re: Keystone XL March 08, 2022 05:47AM
There is absolutely no logical reason that American couldn't be energy dependent. Agreed we can't just start using Keystone XL today, it isn't ready. The blame falls on the dementia patient in the White House, and his good buddy who he served with years ago. But we could throw money at it and have it ready soon if we really wanted. Our country turned automobile factories into fighter plane and tank factories in WW2. I think we could probably manage to finish a pipeline.

There have got to be better options than begging Venezuala, a socialist regime, or any of the middle eastern terrorists for oil. We are capable of producing all we need here in the US.

The bigger thing here is that they don't want us to use oil at all. They want us to buy electric vehicles. Driving an electric vehicles is like wearing a mask it's just a way of virtue signaling.

Re: Keystone XL March 08, 2022 10:28AM
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Re: Keystone XL March 12, 2022 01:47PM
I agree with Keystone XL. Be it when really not an 'energy crisis'. And even more so now, with an 'energy crisis'.

Todd, the other way to interpret, "turn the pipeline back on", means resume the construction. (And hopefully complete it.) But that's not going to happen, with Joey supposedly in charge. After all, Alberta crude oil is carried to US refineries, by Union Pacific Railroad. And who owns it? Warren Buffet. A huge financial contributor to the Democrat party. Now, wasn't that a nice pay back Joey did to show his appreciation to his ol' buddy, on Joey's first afternoon in office?

I was at one of my customer's this week. I did not recognize the car brand he was driving. It looked literally new. A 2016 Tesla 4 door sedan, that he loves, now with 35,000 miles. He bought it a few months ago for $42,000. He said when it was new, $110,000. He only drives it locally and happy he is not paying the current retail gas pump price.
The 'engine' is a "single, big battery, that if needs replacing costs $6000."

I cannot comprehend how a car like that is even financially feasible. I really do not want to pay the current $4.25 / gallon gas price. But, for my mini van, which is just the basic model (I do not need all that fancy costly stuff), I can buy a lot of gas, in comparison to that electric car price. He charges it up every night at home taking 4 to 5 hours. He said if to go on a trip, google maps knows where every charging station, for the vehicle's make, is. And plans the travel trip, so that about every 300 miles, you stop to recharge the car, taking about 45 minutes. Does not sound very efficient to me.

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 04:15AM
Another view,
While what you say is factual as you put it the fact remains that when politicians (Biden in this case) make policy it affects the markets. Biden's policies of shutting down the construction of Keystone XL, restricting oil leases, shutting down fracking and many other regulations all have an impact on oil futures as well as current prices. So yes I think I can place a big part of the blame directly on Biden. These oil market prices are not based on refiners capabilities, day to day price fluctuations yes but not overall markets. Granted I'm no expert but I see what happens to the oil market when politicians just "talk" about regulatory changes let alone when they make the actual changes.

S'no Farmer

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 01:43AM
I AGREE 100%, whatever office " another veiw " is running for, you got my vote !!!!

Re: Keystone XL March 12, 2022 02:08PM
I saw this post and I thought some of the points were good.

Many Americans daily are feeling the pains of higher fuel prices daily. But I want to share some knowledge on this as many fail to understand many things that have brought this nation to the current situation. Let's keep in mind that typically it takes 3 weeks - month from the time the oil is pumped from the ground to be refined and be available as fuel at your local gas station.

Rising crude oil prices and increased gasoline demand contributed to the average U.S. retail price for regular grade gasoline increasing to $3.01 per gallon (gal) in 2021, the highest average nominal price since 2014. The average price for retail gasoline increased by more than $1.00/gal between the start and the end of 2021.

The average U.S. retail gasoline price began the year at $2.25/gal. The average price first passed $3.00/gal on May 17, after disruptions to Colonial Pipeline operations ( Russian computer hacking incident) , and it continued to increase after that, peaking at $3.41/gal on November 8 and finishing the year at $3.28/gal, which is $1.03/gal higher than at the start of the year.

U.S. gasoline prices vary regionally, reflecting local supply and demand conditions and differences in state fuel specifications and taxes. The retail price for regular grade gasoline in 2021 averaged from a low of $2.67/gal on the Gulf Coast to a high of $3.70/gal on the West Coast. From January 4, 2021, to December 27, 2021, retail gasoline prices increased by $0.88/gal in the Midwest, $1.20/gal in the Rocky Mountains, and $1.32/gal on the West Coast.

Retail gasoline prices increased the most in the Rocky Mountains and on the West Coast because of refinery closures in those regions that led to reduced refinery output of gasoline and lower gasoline inventories.

In addition, summer driving in the Rocky Mountains (when the number of visitors to national parks is at its highest) contributed to lower gasoline inventories and higher gasoline prices in that region.

One major contributor to the high retail gasoline prices was high crude oil prices. Crude oil prices in 2021 increased throughout most of the year, and the average crude oil price for 2021 was the highest price since 2018.

Other factors contributing to higher retail gasoline prices in 2021 include higher demand for gasoline, reduced U.S. refinery capacity, and low gasoline inventories.
U.S. gasoline consumption has mostly returned to pre-pandemic levels. It is estimated that U.S. gasoline consumption averaged 8.8 million b/d in 2021, and consumption in the fourth quarter of 2021 totaled only 0.2 million b/d (2%) less than in the fourth quarter of 2019.
U.S. gasoline production did not increase as much as consumption, contributing to gasoline inventory withdrawals of 25.5 million barrels (10%) from January 2021 to December 2021.

So when you start to see some actual data, who is really to blame?

We can all blame this party or that party for the issues. But let's face it folks. Much of this was brought on by people traveling again, which is great as it helps get the economy going again.

But also at the same time many things like refineries being shut down for weeks and decreased production only added to the problems.
This is not a political issue as this is a issue of where companies are looking to make money. The ones with the supply will control it based on the demand.

Economics 101 " Supply and Demand"

Sure things going on with OPEC and Russia are not helping this situation. But until this nation starts building more refineries to refine the oil that is in North America to meet all the needs we will still need to deal with the likes of OPEC.

Some may disagree with my thoughts on all of this, but factual data is something that is hard to challenge.
So what can we as individuals do short term to help?

We can all sit here on a forum and bash this President or some political party but let's get real this does not fall on the strictly on the current President.

We can do the blame game until we all drop dead, is this going to solve anything?

It falls on the Congress, EPA and all the oil companies that for over 50 years that have failed to do anything in regards to updating refineries.

Building new ones to process oils like the tar sands from Canada and the Dakotas so that North America could be independent. So if we are going to cast blame.

Let's cast blame to all those involved, it is time to vote every incumbant out of office at every level. Yes I am being bold we need to really show the lobbists , big money that we as Americans are done with them telling us how it will be done. Until we clean house nothing will ever change, look at all the Senators and Represetives on both sides that are multi milionaires . They are not becoming wealthy on the salary they earh as a elected official . It is all the lobbist deals they get under the table and stock etc.

So if we as average Americans have to feel the pressure so should every elected official in this nation.

This includes local, state and national as too many of these elected leaders have forgot who they represent.

Term limits need to put in place. No one should serve in any office more than 12 years. If they want to serve the people that much, seek office in another office. This mean that all the terms might need some adjustments . But the time and money that is wasted on elections by those in office is a disservice to the role they were elected for to start with. Many of them spend 40% of the time focusing in reelection. Let's make alll terms 6 years and then they will know going in they they can only get a max of two in that seat.

Also no grand fathering for anyone. for any reason or any office. It would be ten years or two terms max for each office. This is how we clear the swamp at all levels and ensure that lobbists are not getting everything they want.

Re: Keystone XL March 12, 2022 04:20PM
Agreed 100%

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 01:55AM
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another view
I saw this post and I thought some of the points were good.

Many Americans daily are feeling the pains of higher fuel prices daily. But I want to share some knowledge on this as many fail to understand many things that have brought this nation to the current situation. Let's keep in mind that typically it takes 3 weeks - month from the time the oil is pumped from the ground to be refined and be available as fuel at your local gas station.

Rising crude oil prices and increased gasoline demand contributed to the average U.S. retail price for regular grade gasoline increasing to $3.01 per gallon (gal) in 2021, the highest average nominal price since 2014. The average price for retail gasoline increased by more than $1.00/gal between the start and the end of 2021.

The average U.S. retail gasoline price began the year at $2.25/gal. The average price first passed $3.00/gal on May 17, after disruptions to Colonial Pipeline operations ( Russian computer hacking incident) , and it continued to increase after that, peaking at $3.41/gal on November 8 and finishing the year at $3.28/gal, which is $1.03/gal higher than at the start of the year.

U.S. gasoline prices vary regionally, reflecting local supply and demand conditions and differences in state fuel specifications and taxes. The retail price for regular grade gasoline in 2021 averaged from a low of $2.67/gal on the Gulf Coast to a high of $3.70/gal on the West Coast. From January 4, 2021, to December 27, 2021, retail gasoline prices increased by $0.88/gal in the Midwest, $1.20/gal in the Rocky Mountains, and $1.32/gal on the West Coast.

Retail gasoline prices increased the most in the Rocky Mountains and on the West Coast because of refinery closures in those regions that led to reduced refinery output of gasoline and lower gasoline inventories.

In addition, summer driving in the Rocky Mountains (when the number of visitors to national parks is at its highest) contributed to lower gasoline inventories and higher gasoline prices in that region.

One major contributor to the high retail gasoline prices was high crude oil prices. Crude oil prices in 2021 increased throughout most of the year, and the average crude oil price for 2021 was the highest price since 2018.

Other factors contributing to higher retail gasoline prices in 2021 include higher demand for gasoline, reduced U.S. refinery capacity, and low gasoline inventories.
U.S. gasoline consumption has mostly returned to pre-pandemic levels. It is estimated that U.S. gasoline consumption averaged 8.8 million b/d in 2021, and consumption in the fourth quarter of 2021 totaled only 0.2 million b/d (2%) less than in the fourth quarter of 2019.
U.S. gasoline production did not increase as much as consumption, contributing to gasoline inventory withdrawals of 25.5 million barrels (10%) from January 2021 to December 2021.

So when you start to see some actual data, who is really to blame?

We can all blame this party or that party for the issues. But let's face it folks. Much of this was brought on by people traveling again, which is great as it helps get the economy going again.

But also at the same time many things like refineries being shut down for weeks and decreased production only added to the problems.
This is not a political issue as this is a issue of where companies are looking to make money. The ones with the supply will control it based on the demand.

Economics 101 " Supply and Demand"

Sure things going on with OPEC and Russia are not helping this situation. But until this nation starts building more refineries to refine the oil that is in North America to meet all the needs we will still need to deal with the likes of OPEC.

Some may disagree with my thoughts on all of this, but factual data is something that is hard to challenge.
So what can we as individuals do short term to help?

We can all sit here on a forum and bash this President or some political party but let's get real this does not fall on the strictly on the current President.

We can do the blame game until we all drop dead, is this going to solve anything?

It falls on the Congress, EPA and all the oil companies that for over 50 years that have failed to do anything in regards to updating refineries.

Building new ones to process oils like the tar sands from Canada and the Dakotas so that North America could be independent. So if we are going to cast blame.

Let's cast blame to all those involved, it is time to vote every incumbant out of office at every level. Yes I am being bold we need to really show the lobbists , big money that we as Americans are done with them telling us how it will be done. Until we clean house nothing will ever change, look at all the Senators and Represetives on both sides that are multi milionaires . They are not becoming wealthy on the salary they earh as a elected official . It is all the lobbist deals they get under the table and stock etc.

So if we as average Americans have to feel the pressure so should every elected official in this nation.

This includes local, state and national as too many of these elected leaders have forgot who they represent.

Term limits need to put in place. No one should serve in any office more than 12 years. If they want to serve the people that much, seek office in another office. This mean that all the terms might need some adjustments . But the time and money that is wasted on elections by those in office is a disservice to the role they were elected for to start with. Many of them spend 40% of the time focusing in reelection. Let's make alll terms 6 years and then they will know going in they they can only get a max of two in that seat.

Also no grand fathering for anyone. for any reason or any office. It would be ten years or two terms max for each office. This is how we clear the swamp at all levels and ensure that lobbists are not getting everything they want.

Go look at Xdens Executive Orders 13990 and 13992 implemented nearly immediately and the closure of Keystone and discussions of closing others and the fact Demons are quoted as saying they want high gas prices.

Oil production has dropped under Xiden also, I know exactly who to blame.

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 05:06AM
Nobody closed the Keystone Pipeline. They canceled permits for construction on the XL. The XL was not dlated to be finished until 2030. I fail to see how that would impact prices right now. The XL was a Canadian pipeline, built to transport Canadian oil to American ports. That was to be built on American land that was obtained through eminent domain. Explain to me how a Canadian company can seize American land through eminent domain.

Oil production is rebounding after the previous administration crashed the price in 2018. Rig count is up since the current administration took office. The current administration approved more drilling permits on public lands than the previous administration did in theor first year.

These are all verifiable facts that I'm sure you won't believe.

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 07:02AM
You are correct the pipeline was never in production although what I've seen it was supposed to be in use way before 2030. As I said above just talking about it makes a difference in oil futures. The rational makes no sense but it happens. Oil, leases on land that MIGHT have oil vs oil leases on land that is proven to have oil ( can you say ANWR ? ) are two totaly different things.

S'no Farmer

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 07:30AM
Keystone XL was less than 10% complete.

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 08:02AM
Pipelines do not produce anything. As far as speculation goes. Let's look at this from a perspective that most people here will understand. Let's imagine these Pipelines are trucks hauling freight. You have one truck and you're making pretty good money with it. You decide to buy another truck. Does having an extra truck mean you're going to drastically reduce your freight rate? Does having another truck delivering products to your customer mean that they're going to drastically reduce the cost of their goods? Or is it more likely that you and your customers are going to put the added profits in your pockets?


Can you tell me how many barrels a day currently come out of ANWR? How much that number increased under the previous administration? How much that number was supposed to increase over the next decade.

I don't follow your rhetoric about land that might have oil. These oil leases are more speculative than the actual drilling permits the current administration signed in the last year. They were drilling lease approvals, not exploratory approvals. There are still over 9000 privately held leases to drill on public land that are currently unused.

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 10:45AM
The keystone was going to replace railcars that warren buffet owns and was going to do it for pennies on the dollar less so in exchange for cash Biden ended it
Has nothing to do with production the oil companies control the pricing just like the mills control lumber prices
I believe they all see the writing on the wall and are gonna get all they can while they can

Re: Keystone XL March 13, 2022 11:56AM
You have a source on that claim about Buffet paying off Biden?

I thought Biden is some kind of moron that wanted to push green energy, but for some reason he's taking payoff money from Warren Buffet that you have knowledge of, but no regular people on the left do that would be upset about such a devious plan? Wouldn't there be mass outrage from the left if word got out? I mean, if you know about it, it stands to reason that people onnthe left know about it too.

You see, one of the tell-tale signs of a conspiracy theory is that you first have to believe in something you have no proof of being true.

Dear Lolz March 14, 2022 12:08AM
What do you have to say to the investors who spent BILLIONS of dollars in investments in equipment, materials, permits, insurance, labor, and time? Similar, in a way, to the construction of the southern border wall...... with the stroke of a pen, millions upon millions of dollars can pulled out from under the feet of investors, companies, and blue-collar working Americans (who are performing this work!)

I know a number of pipeliners - welders, laborers, operators - that relocated to the upper midwest with the prospect of working the Keystone. Any compensation? Uh, no.
Have you seen the amount of steel structure wall stored in laydown yards in Texas and New Mexico? Paid for - but sitting and rotting, stacked on top of each other. What about the number of projects companies who are "set" to perform these jobs? These projects come to an abrupt stop and who knows how many other projects these companies have turned down with expectation of "secure" work for a number of months or years.

If you were doing business with a private company the way the Federal Government does business, there'd be lawsuits left and right. My point - once the Feds back a deal on a project, the deal is done. Regardless if there is a change in administration (for the good or the bad, in any persons view). If you were a private, general contractor, and in 2023, Biden's administration had a $5B windmill project that was to be constructed in the Mojave Desert. Would you bid on the project with the possibility of after you move assets to Southern California that your "job" could end with a new President in 2024??

Re: Keystone XL March 14, 2022 01:51AM
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Lolz
Pipelines do not produce anything. As far as speculation goes. Let's look at this from a perspective that most people here will understand. Let's imagine these Pipelines are trucks hauling freight. You have one truck and you're making pretty good money with it. You decide to buy another truck. Does having an extra truck mean you're going to drastically reduce your freight rate? Does having another truck delivering products to your customer mean that they're going to drastically reduce the cost of their goods? Or is it more likely that you and your customers are going to put the added profits in your pockets?


Can you tell me how many barrels a day currently come out of ANWR? How much that number increased under the previous administration? How much that number was supposed to increase over the next decade.

I don't follow your rhetoric about land that might have oil. These oil leases are more speculative than the actual drilling permits the current administration signed in the last year. They were drilling lease approvals, not exploratory approvals. There are still over 9000 privately held leases to drill on public land that are currently unused.

Do you know why those 9000 leases are currently unused??? Because of Xidens executive orders put down the crack pipe! Look up the EO 13990 and 13992.

Re: Keystone XL March 14, 2022 01:56AM
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Lolz
Nobody closed the Keystone Pipeline. They canceled permits for construction on the XL. The XL was not dlated to be finished until 2030. I fail to see how that would impact prices right now. The XL was a Canadian pipeline, built to transport Canadian oil to American ports. That was to be built on American land that was obtained through eminent domain. Explain to me how a Canadian company can seize American land through eminent domain.

Oil production is rebounding after the previous administration crashed the price in 2018. Rig count is up since the current administration took office. The current administration approved more drilling permits on public lands than the previous administration did in theor first year.

These are all verifiable facts that I'm sure you won't believe.

Xidens EO's make the drilling permits untouchable, they cant drill. Put down your free crack pipe. Oil production is down nearly 2 million barrels, that the facts.

Re: Keystone XL March 14, 2022 03:27AM
Why would any oil company be interested in drilling new wells anyway? To increase the supply and lower the price?

They got us right where they want us. As long as we're willing to pay the increased prices and not cut back on consumption they're just happy to sit back and rake it in (especially since they are short of workers like everyone else is). It's the perfect storm for big oil.

Re: Keystone XL March 14, 2022 04:17AM
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Cliff
Why would any oil company be interested in drilling new wells anyway? To increase the supply and lower the price?

They got us right where they want us. As long as we're willing to pay the increased prices and not cut back on consumption they're just happy to sit back and rake it in (especially since they are short of workers like everyone else is). It's the perfect storm for big oil.

For one thing, they cant!!! There are plenty of laid off oil workers.

Re: Keystone XL March 27, 2022 02:57AM
The Keystone pipeline was stopped by lawsuits filed by hard working, America loving Republican farmers and ranchers. Seems that they didn't like the idea of having their family's land taken by the the exercise of eminent domain. Eminent domain is necessary for things like expanding a highway from two lane to four lane or building a bypass around a town. But for a foreign oil company to use it in order to pipe the oil past several closer refineries all the way to the gulf so that the foreign oil company can sell it to a foreign company? No thank you.

Re: Keystone XL March 27, 2022 03:25AM
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Face in crowd
The Keystone pipeline was stopped by lawsuits filed by hard working, America loving Republican farmers and ranchers. Seems that they didn't like the idea of having their family's land taken by the the exercise of eminent domain. Eminent domain is necessary for things like expanding a highway from two lane to four lane or building a bypass around a town. But for a foreign oil company to use it in order to pipe the oil past several closer refineries all the way to the gulf so that the foreign oil company can sell it to a foreign company? No thank you.

Pull your head out, it was stopped by Xiden!!! I wouldnt call Nebraska the Gulf!!!!

Re: Keystone XL March 27, 2022 06:30AM
Everyone needs to calm down the keystone is not going to solve all the issues in this nation. This pipeline even if all the permits that needed to be done still would not be done for another two years at least.

Not to mention that our nation needs more refineries and updates to existing refineries. The real issues are is that our nation has for two long made deals with others that sometimes don't benefit our nation always. With everything going on in the world at this moment this is the moment for North America to once again can become a world power.

So we as a nation need to be thinking more about ways that our nation along with our neighbors to north and south can really take advantage of all the resources that we have that would make us less dependent on OPEC and also become a leveling option for Europe. I know having pipelines, windmills , solar panels is not things we want to see in rural America. But do we want to see 8.00/gallon diesel?

Let's put aside the red and blue party crap.

Everyone needs to come up with something to get things moving forward.

That's what we need, it will not be easy and it will not happen overnight or even within a year or two. The changes have to be long term commitment.

Just my views, I am sure some will disagree with me on this. But we need to do this for the future of our nation.

Re: Keystone XL March 27, 2022 10:11AM
If it hadn't been delayed by Obama, and stonewalled by all the permitting agencies during Trump, then shut down by Biden, it would be carrying oil today.

Re: Keystone XL March 28, 2022 02:51AM
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Let's make some changes
Everyone needs to calm down the keystone is not going to solve all the issues in this nation. This pipeline even if all the permits that needed to be done still would not be done for another two years at least.

Not to mention that our nation needs more refineries and updates to existing refineries. The real issues are is that our nation has for two long made deals with others that sometimes don't benefit our nation always. With everything going on in the world at this moment this is the moment for North America to once again can become a world power.

So we as a nation need to be thinking more about ways that our nation along with our neighbors to north and south can really take advantage of all the resources that we have that would make us less dependent on OPEC and also become a leveling option for Europe. I know having pipelines, windmills , solar panels is not things we want to see in rural America. But do we want to see 8.00/gallon diesel?

Let's put aside the red and blue party crap.

Everyone needs to come up with something to get things moving forward.

That's what we need, it will not be easy and it will not happen overnight or even within a year or two. The changes have to be long term commitment.

Just my views, I am sure some will disagree with me on this. But we need to do this for the future of our nation.

It has nothing to do with the Red! The Libs as well as the white House have been quoted, yes quoted as wanting high energy prices. We had it going the correct direction under Trump, then the Blue killed it, possibly along with this nation after Xidens gaffes in Europe the Russians are talking war , likely nuclear.

I need those free crack pipes to drown my sorrow.

Re: Keystone XL March 29, 2022 01:56AM
I'm not going to talk you out of your ignorance. But for everyone else, the pipeline was delayed this long by lawsuits primarily from landowners. And yes, there are environmentalists who worry about oil leaking from the pipeline through the sand hills and into aquifers. But to me, the most important question is whether or not a foreign oil company can force you to give up land. I say no.

Re: Keystone XL March 29, 2022 03:30AM
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Face in crowd
I'm not going to talk you out of your ignorance. But for everyone else, the pipeline was delayed this long by lawsuits primarily from landowners. And yes, there are environmentalists who worry about oil leaking from the pipeline through the sand hills and into aquifers. But to me, the most important question is whether or not a foreign oil company can force you to give up land. I say no.

The alternative to pipelines is rail, more expensive,slow, i and gee, did they stop trains from derailing??? A foreign company CANNOT force you to do anything, it was the states!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is ignorant????

Re: Keystone XL March 28, 2022 02:46PM
An executive order was the latest reason the pipeline was stopped...was it going to save our fuel prices, no but it sure didn't help matters. When Presidents just talk about things like this it affects futures. As for farmers and ranchers fighting this it's not nearly as intrusive as wind turbines or solar fields. I have a twin 36" gas line running through a farm and if someone didn't tell you you would likley not know the difference, I know the cows that are on pasture up there don't!

S'no Farmer

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