JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 24, 2011 12:57PM
Is it possible to built a tractor equiped with a roosa master pump to compete with the inlines and the modle 100's? The class is a 3000 rpm 2.5 inducer limit, 510 cid limit, and must run stock "appearing pump". AND no this is not to a true farm stock class!!!
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 24, 2011 02:55PM
doubt it
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 24, 2011 04:56PM
Only thought i have is that you could argue that a replacement engine from deere for the 4320 will be a 466 A-pump due to the discontinuance of the 404.

Just a thought
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 12:32AM
Is the roosa master pump that poor of a fuel pump? Is the problem the amount of fuel that it can't deliver, delivery pressure, or what? I see columbus has 500 head and rotors...still not enough to run with an A - pump or 15mm even at 3000 rpm?



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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 12:40AM
fraid that poor roosa master will live a short life trying to keep up with the inlines! witnessed one years ago that you could have literally fried eggs on after every run down the track! agree it's not very fair rules for some colours!
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 12:51AM
Just put 4430 sheet metal on it. Happens every day and then an A pump is legal.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 11:42AM
I have run a 300cc roosa master pump on a 4320 for a long time and it won't run against the inlines or the 100's if they have been worked on. I only run 3000 rpm's and stock 404. The problem with rotary is the higher the rpm's the less fuel you are actually getting to the injectors. The head is spinning so fast it can't get the fuel out. I talked to CDS about 5 months ago and they said they were out of the 500 heads and done building the pumps. Make sure your advanced trim is locked. Mine isn't and I would like to get it locked. Also you can't run your timing as far advanced as the inline or the 100 pumps. Good luck!
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 12:54PM
The 300 cc pump that you run, is that a 450 head and rotor? Also do you have any head work or anything else? I was thinking of running 466 or 502 cid, a ported head, 2.5 turbo, 2800 to 3000 rpm and didn't know if I would be competitive or not. I know that fuel is an issue but was hoping there was a good roosy out there!
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 01:05PM
How about the rotary on a 4230 or 4240. If I remember right, they were 4 piston pumps.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 01:28PM
A good rosa master can run ok in a true farm stock class, but in a hot farm class with bigger turbos and more rpms than stock you won't stand a chance.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 25, 2011 02:06PM
I run a DB .450 on my "farmstock"AC 210. more than the 300cc you were talking about! I do cause the other color tractors fits. I dont dominate by any means, but it is very competitive. The .500 roosas have real problems with seizing plungers. I have been tweaking DB's for a while, and I build pumps for a living! The other important thing is to build the injectors right for a Roosa. I applaud any Roosa fueled tractor that runs respectable. Anyone can make an A or P pump tractor run strong.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 26, 2011 05:26AM
Yes it has a 450 head by cds. I run farm and enhanced class with it. I can run 7th gear in a 9000 class and run 6th in the heavier classes. The tractor runs well but can't beat many 1066's unless they are pure stock. Haven't done any real performance head work just heavier valve springs. You can see it run on youtube under john deere 4329(somone put wrong number in title). I see someone suggested a rotary pump off a 4230 but the bolt pattern is not the same. If it where you could run an "A"pump. Us 4320 pullers have a real challenge. I have the most fun running against other 4320's. The other little things you can do can make a big difference. I think your real answer would be to put a 466 or 496 in your tractor. I would like to do that too but it's not in the budget yet. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 26, 2011 12:07PM
So the only changes you have made to your 4320 is turbo, pump, injectors and you can run 6th and 7th! Thats not too bad. What size of turbo are you capable of running!
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 26, 2011 12:34PM
never will get a rotor for deere to run against a 15 big nut
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 26, 2011 11:53PM
I pull a 4320 and put a 3lm 466 turbo on with the 450cc head and .093 lines lasered out injector tips. It made a huge difference but hard to keep up with the red 66's that should be in a hot class. I was told Lemke makes a better cam but i havent bought one. It was nice last year when i did beat some red 66's and 2 D-21's. It is still about fun for me and pulling on a budget. Good luck Cookies
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 27, 2011 12:51PM
"been there" and to the rest of you, thank you very much for the info and encouraging words. I don't want to keep wasting everyones time on this subject but I was wondering if any of the rest of you 4010, 4020, 4320 roosa master people have any you tube videos. I was impressed with the way that the 4320 ran for just a few improvements! Again...thanks to all
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 28, 2011 12:09AM
Cookies you can find my videos on Yourtube under my screenname- rt52town Some are when it was stock and then the rest are from last year with the new parts. Jim
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 28, 2011 01:22PM
Jim nice videos, looks like you have it running pretty good. I noticed that you had quite a bit of black smoke. Who did your pump work for you and how many cc does it put out. For the rest of you roosy pullers... who does make the best and biggest roosy out there. thanks



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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 29, 2011 01:11AM
My pump injectors and lines came from Schied Diesel in Terre Haute and I dealt with Joe down there. It is a 450 head but its not maxed out since i can still turn it down and plow with it at the antique plow days. I have heard good things about Columbus Diesel and Red Oak as well.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 29, 2011 02:54AM
Cookies,

Check out the youtube channel: phi4320. There are two 4320's that run against a handful of 1466's and a few 4430's in western Illinois and they both are very competitive. They both run Roosa Master pumps.

4320admirer
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 29, 2011 03:51AM
We pull a 1466 with that bunch IFPA (phi4320) and they are very competitive. The 4320's and 4430's will win one pull and then we will win the next. Most all of the tractors finish within 5 feet of each other in the light class 11,500 with no one tractor being head and shoulders ahead of the other one. A fun class to pull in.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 29, 2011 06:35AM
It looks like some of the 4320's had a 466 or at least a newer 404 with the centered turbo intake manifold or just a newer manifold. They run nice though. Anyone ever deal with St. Joseph Diesel?
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete January 29, 2011 07:06AM
[www.youtube.com]
My Allis Chalmers 210 with RoosaMaster built by me.
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete January 29, 2011 07:14AM
Is that a 500 head pump? Looks like a lot of fuel. Runs great!
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete January 29, 2011 07:31AM
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been there
Is that a 500 head pump? Looks like a lot of fuel. Runs great!
its a .450. I dont like the .500's, they seize plungers. I had a box stock 3LM466 turbo on it there also.
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete January 29, 2011 10:07AM
ed do you have any videos of the rest of that class
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete January 30, 2011 06:22AM
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Sexy 66
ed do you have any videos of the rest of that class
A few other tractors, but 4020 productions has their dvd's of most of the classes/tractors. get ahold of joe borel.
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hey injpumped January 30, 2011 01:26PM
I have a JD 4020 that I pull. Was wondering if you would be interested in workin on my pump?......
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Re: hey injpumped January 30, 2011 02:49PM
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jackwagon
I have a JD 4020 that I pull. Was wondering if you would be interested in workin on my pump?......
Yes, I can work it over for you. I am always weary about putting .450 head pumps on 4020's, and 4520's due to the injection pump being driven by the oil pump, though I have seen many doing it. What are your intentions? Ed. ed64drag@lycos.com
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Re: hey injpumped May 20, 2013 08:01AM
injpump,

I have a 1961 AC D-17 that runs great but the injector pump leaks. I have researched my various options but you seem to be the resident expert so I'll ask your opinion. I am in Tucson, AZ and most of the Diesel shops around here are more than willing to take on the project but I fear few of them have actually re-built an older Stanadyne Pump or would attempt to follow the spec sheet. I have overhauled an engine or two in my day so I do not fear getting my hands dirty and taking the pump off and shipping it out but I do not know if there are some "unknown variables" that one should know about before attempting to remove the pump. I remember fearing these issues when I replaced timing chains on a couple of my older vehicles. I know that setting the timing is critical when the pump goes back on; as such, I assume that if I send the pump out there is no guarantee that the rebuilt one will line up exactly like the one I removed since I will not know if it was re-assembled and returned with the internal parts lining up exactly the way they were when I removed it. Am I better off taking my AC to a mechanic and having them do the entire job or should I pull it and send it out for a rebuild and hope for the best?

Your advice will be greatly appreciated.

Len
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Re: hey injpumped May 20, 2013 01:41PM
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injpump,

I have a 1961 AC D-17 that runs great but the injector pump leaks. I have researched my various options but you seem to be the resident expert so I'll ask your opinion. I am in Tucson, AZ and most of the Diesel shops around here are more than willing to take on the project but I fear few of them have actually re-built an older Stanadyne Pump or would attempt to follow the spec sheet. I have overhauled an engine or two in my day so I do not fear getting my hands dirty and taking the pump off and shipping it out but I do not know if there are some "unknown variables" that one should know about before attempting to remove the pump. I remember fearing these issues when I replaced timing chains on a couple of my older vehicles. I know that setting the timing is critical when the pump goes back on; as such, I assume that if I send the pump out there is no guarantee that the rebuilt one will line up exactly like the one I removed since I will not know if it was re-assembled and returned with the internal parts lining up exactly the way they were when I removed it. Am I better off taking my AC to a mechanic and having them do the entire job or should I pull it and send it out for a rebuild and hope for the best?

Your advice will be greatly appreciated.
You can most certainly do the removal and re-installation. You can email me to talk about this deeper if you like, but this is certainly my specialty. Thanks! Ed. ed64drag@gmail.com

Len
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete March 12, 2017 02:02PM
yes they can compete we have had many of these lock up before we found the secret to making them run hard we have a well balanced 407 cut cam, heavy spring valves ,S3 turbo and we leave the line @ 3800 and run torque up at 4000, and torque down at 3400 it is my own build we have 2 of these 450 non moded rotor, .112 lines, 4 hole injector check my run a few years back keeping the tractor for the grand kids now so it will be time to bring them to life again you tube reinhart tractor pull
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete January 30, 2011 01:26PM
We ran a similar setup a couple of years ago, but it never ran quite that well. It was a 450 pump that ran 350 cc., .090 lines, big nozzles (but unsure of hole size) and a stock 3lm. It was a D-21. We ended at 34 degrees advance and it ran pretty well. What else have you done? Not out to steal your setup, we're finished. Just would like to know how close we may have been. We had only one "good" pull with the D. Sure felt good to make the competition take a second look at our tractor.
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Re: Roosa pumps can compete August 07, 2016 01:28AM
I have a bone stock 4010 that I pull in a 10,500 lb 5 mph class against mostly IH guys (tractors must be 1970 or older). I usually finish towards the bottom of the class. Will a 4010 respond as well to an upgraded pump, lines, injectors, and turbo as the 4320's in the videos?
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 January 29, 2011 07:13AM
Different manifold still a 404 with a 3LM 466 charger.
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 August 06, 2016 08:25PM
What Electric pump are you feeding to your injection pump do you know how many psi
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Re: JD 4010, 4020, 4320 March 13, 2017 06:12AM
There are pump shops out there that work on Roosa Pumps and do a a very good job, with that being said there are a lot of shops that will not touch them
due to the sensitivity of a lot of fuel out of them (example 450 Roosa 2 roller inline A pump 6 plunger ) quality verses quantity . Trouble that you run into
with a rotary pump in general is the cost that is why a lot of people and classes are defaulting to a inline pump, if the class is light enough and the turbo size
is small enough any rotary can keep up with a inline . There are some tricks with the Roosa pumps to keep them alive.
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