02:30:19am, Wednesday, April 30, 2025
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Lions super pull
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plb
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While I am not at this pull, watching live stream, Leaves me to think I will never attend this pull in person.
Here it is MIDNIGHT and they have not even run the Unlimtieds, just now starting with with 4WD trucks!!!! Half the crowd has left, if not more. This pull needs 2 tracks or cut back on the classes. |
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Re: Lions super pull
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Oh well
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And it is a very good pull that a lot of people like to travel to attend. You would complain if it was a 2 track event that only lasted 2-3 hours too. I guess some people are impossible to please. |
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plb
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Get real man, I mean, Oh Well. this is nuts. And am not that hard to please!! Been at Tomah for the 2 to 3 am endings and it is stupid. No reason for this either. |
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Face in crowd
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A well run 2-3 hour pull with two tracks would be an ideal scenario. Movie goers prefer 90 minute movies and only 15% in a survey are OK with something over three hours. I would think that statistic would be a good guide for a tractor pull, but just add an hour to it. Promoters should plan for a minimum two-three hour pull with no intermission. If things run long 30-60 minutes due to unforeseen circumstances, that is understandable. The way some of these pulls are planned, it is essentially a bait and switch. Don't feature a class in your advertising but then not put them on the track until the pull has gone on for 3, 4, or 5 hours. That is ridiculous. |
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Mn fan
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This pull should be started at 6:00 and I can't think of a good reason on why it shouldn't. Some people will say Chapel Hill is usually hot and they want the pull when the sun is starting to set. Guess what, its can be very hot everywhere, especially in the middle of July. |
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Re: Lions super pull
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day later
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Didn't they have rain earlier, probly delayed start time some? |
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Fan 2
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No delay. Started on time |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,660 |
There has been talk about this very topic on the page, unfortunately the fact is that the " premiere " classes have their class start hooking after the stands are at least half empty. So in reality the classes that the fans have come to see is to late to keep the them in the seats. However just like everything else in pulling " it's just what we do ". Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2024 05:00AM by Dick Morgan. |
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I Agree
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All Fri,Sat,Sun evening pulls should start at 6 PM..I was at a drag race last night (Friday) that started at 6 PM and the stands were packed..I as both a puller and spectator would love to see Sat eve pulls start at 6 PM as I and others get up and go to church on Sunday mornings..Its sure tough to do getting home at 2-3 AM. |
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Re: Lions super pull
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Was there
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The track was very good last night but it required a lot of maintenance to get it back into shape after each run. The track guys did a good job keeping it together. There was several re-hooks but it is still a very well ran pull & was a top caliber show. |
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Face in crowd
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Tractor pulls like these are like an extra innings baseball game that goes 15 innings and only has a small fraction of fans left in the stands when the game ends. But for this analogy to work, you would have to force the baseball teams to only allow their best players on the field after most of the baseball fans had left. Not only is it too late at night for most people, but the enjoyment of the pull goes down after each hour that goes by. It's the law of diminishing returns. It happens with a single class if it has 30 or more vehicles (after a while people are ready for something else) and it happens with an entire pull. People just get worn out and enough is enough. It just seems so counter productive that promoters put on their best classes after 1/2 the crowd has left and a good portion of the people still in the stands are on the verge of leaving or barely hanging on. |
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plb
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As long as I know this is how they run their pull, I will not be putting it on my bucket list. Pretty simple really. |
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Worldwide Puller
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95% of other pulls would have rained out on Saturday night. NOT Chapel Hill. They have 2 tarps that they promptly got on the track. The access roads are either gravel or asphalt. They understand that pullers & fans drives a long way to participate & they aren't just gonna throw in towel. Yes, it makes for a longer night but they made it happen & that effort is what makes the event. |
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Fan 2
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Totally agree about them NOT raining out! Drove 340 miles one way to see the Unlimited's and am glad they got to run Sat night! Track was much better than Friday night and the show they put on was really good. Many fans drove much farther than me and I imagine they're happy the show went on.
Having Unlimiteds Run at 12:30-1:00 am Friday night is hard to understand. Did notice Saturday night they were giving the signal for the Prostocks to fire up when the one in front of them was pulling on the track to hook. That helped a lot as the Prostocks took forever Friday night. Overall it was a good couple days to pulling. |
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Re: Lions super pull
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Registered: 03/26/2008 Posts: 530 |
Hmmmm...I realize there are multiple rounds of TF, FC, PM, in NHRA competition, but aren't the finals the (the premier classes) last ones to go down the track? |
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Re: Lions super pull
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plb
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They are, But , not after MIDNIGHT!!!!! |
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Pretty simple
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I’m sure you won’t be missed or you not being there will literally go unnoticed. |
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That's a dumb way to look at it. This is a problem in pulling and I feel like unlike some of the other issues that have either difficult or impossible to implement solutions, this one is easy. Run the premiere classes earlier! Let a class or two run before them, both to make sure the track is worked in properly and to build a little anticipation/sell a little more beer, and then let the big boys eat and entertain the paying crowd right when you have a maximum amount of people. Most pulls I attend, you will have the max crowd about an hour or 2 hours max in. It is insane to me to run the really big stuff to empty grandstands, no matter what pull it is. |
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Just Sayin’
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I couldn’t agree more on just everything Skoal Bandit said. Promoters should try and mix it up (running order) especially when you KNOW it’s going to run long. Even at the farm show, there’s a lot of empty seats when the Pro Stocks run on Saturday night. Just would like to hear from some who may want to offer as to why it doesn’t happen. |
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Registered: 03/14/2010 Posts: 77 |
From local to grand national, the crowd starts to leave in the 9:30 to 10:00 pm range. I do like the 6pm start time but only on Sat. night. 6pm on a Fri. hurts attendance. |
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Something else……
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Registered: 07/06/2017 Posts: 410 |
I can’t remember if it was Friday or Saturday but somebody had a medical emergency behind us in the stands. When we figured out where they were, I noticed the first person there wasn’t the EMS nor the police…. It was NTPA’s tech director. To me, that spoke volumes about Marvin. Out of every thing he had going on, he was making sure a fan was ok. |
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plb
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I am sure I would not be missed. But the money I spent to get in, buy food and drink would be missed. |
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yeah let’s run unlimiteds when 3/4 of the crowd is gone. shows how stuck in their ways all these “people in charge” are. donthave a clue about anything. gee i wonder why the sport don’t grow, everyone is in bed…. just have to laugh every time i see it. |
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Registered: 09/26/2021 Posts: 84 |
Maybe there is a reason they run unlimiteds last. Have you ever asked? Is it they are looked at as the grand finale. Or, is it the damage they cause to the track? Would need work to prep for another class. Maybe it is one of those “it’s how we’ve always done it” things. I know they dig some deep ass trenches where they get stopped by the sled though. |
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Badgerfan
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I personally have been to a couple of events where they ran the big classes (mods, semis) in the middle of the show and ran the smaller classes again after (mod 4x4, twd, light super) and the crowd is gone after they ran the mods or semis. I was even at 1 where they ran the mods first because the track wouldn't hold together good enough for them to run later and the crowd was gone mid show. They run the big stuff last to keep people there spending money on food and drinks. That is what our sport is about, fundraising for the promoters (most are non profits organizations).
Running really late (after midnight) is a different story and probably wasn't planned. You get beyond the 3 to 3.5 hour stage and people start leaving no matter what is left especially when the show is run slow. There needs to be a happy medium where they are ran towards the end but you need to plan on it being a 3 to 4 hour show. If it is going later they should plan on moving those classes up in the line up so people get to see what they paid for. Not knowing the numbers for competitors that will show makes it hard to plan on time. Pre registration helps in my opinion for this, but there are other variables, track crews (knowledge, speed, and ability), track condition, speed that competitors are pushed to get themselves started and out on the track, hooked and ready to run (biggest time killer imo). |
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Re: Lions super pull
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OG
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If you can't have your event finished in 3.5 hours (without extenuating circumstances) there is something wrong. You are selling entertainment. Some diehards will continue to consume poorly run events, the average spectator won't. |
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Re: Lions super pull
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,660 |
I think by and large most fans are done getting food after a couple hours into the show. And I don't think there is any way to spin the fact that the later the show runs the less people you have in the stands. And to say that the big power classes tearup the track is over hyped in my opinion. BG runs class after class with some having 60+ in a class and they never stop the show to rework the track. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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