Re: So..Lets get this right...

	Louisville List is up November 11, 2011 06:30AM
Fuelish Fan Moderator Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 480	They have posted the Drivers List for Louisville. Get ready for some surprises. Drivers List Reply Quote

	Re: Louisville List is up November 11, 2011 09:36AM
?	Are Davidson's bolting on the little charger and running in SF again since they don't have the Lim pro class? Reply Quote

	WHERE IS THE BILLET BINDER November 11, 2011 10:35AM
IH LOVER	HOW COME THE PPL NATIONAL CHAMPION IS NOT IN. MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. Reply Quote

	Re: WHERE IS THE BILLET BINDER November 11, 2011 11:12AM
Billet fan	You got to send in to get in. Reply Quote

	Re: Louisville List is up November 12, 2011 01:10AM
daylate	There are going to take it as is,see if anybody can tell the difference Reply Quote

	Re: Louisville List is up November 12, 2011 12:16PM
t-puller Registered: 11/22/2008 Posts: 181	cool to see red line fever "LITE" in the heavy class!!! Reply Quote

	Lite's cage? November 12, 2011 12:56PM
roll cage?	Good to see him in there should be a good show. But will he weigh 8000 lbs with a 2 bar cage? Pull at 7000 or put a 3 bar cage on it for NFMS? Reply Quote

Re: Lite's cage? November 12, 2011 01:06PM

Jake Morgan

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I don't believe there are any SFI requirements at the NFMS. The pull is completely independent and they make their own rules. I don't think the 2-bar cage will be an issue.

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	Re: Louisville List is up November 12, 2011 12:19PM
TED K	Wow another RED AND GREEN show , ho hum outa be exciting Reply Quote

	Re: Louisville List is up November 12, 2011 12:24PM
red	Hey Ted! Don't go! If you don't like it. That's the way it's been for the last 20 years. Reply Quote

	Not much color in the light class November 12, 2011 01:36PM
King Louie	Bunch of IH and JD there as well Reply Quote

	So..Lets get this right... November 12, 2011 05:55PM
Hung out to dry	Your NTPA SF Champ isn't is (Did he even apply?) The best way to NFMS is with a Whoopie Pie.....or Pie's The Midsouth SF Points Champ isn't in..... Last year's Midsouth SF Points Champ and this year's GN 6th place isn't in.... This year's 7th place SF GN tractor is in.... A Deere from Dixie wins a hometown brush pull and 8th in GN and still gets in........ No Wildermuth's???? Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 01:06AM
Rn.3	The region 3 winner isnt in, the region 5 winner isnt in, Bowling Green second sesion isnt in, Tomah first sesion isnt in, but at least they got alot of PPL tractors... Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 02:26AM
ParkerFly Registered: 03/30/2008 Posts: 191	Did they all apply? Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 03:41AM
AV Registered: 03/26/2008 Posts: 744	Dean doesn't own the tractor anymore, so I doubt he would have applied with it. Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 03:46AM
turbo down	John applied though Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 03:52AM
FB	Adam your friends with John Platte and facebook and you should of seen he applied with "A grey Area" aka Big green tractor! and didnt get in Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 04:37AM
AV Registered: 03/26/2008 Posts: 744	sorry missed that update. Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 03:47AM
cardinal fan	I don't think the committee has a set of guidelines that just cause you win a region or a specific pull doesn't mean you automatically are in. Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 04:55AM
Whoopie Goldberg.....	Nope, you just cram the lovely little whoopie pies down Richwine's throat till he pulls sum strings for ya!! UM UM Good.... Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 05:02AM
outlaw tractors	they took the top 4 in outlaw points..would of though they would of took the winners of the ntpa region points..how did red iron get in doent even pull the class????????? Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 05:42AM
PULLER 5	I THINK THEY SHOULD JUST THE 1 PLACE WINNER OF EVERY ORGINAZTION WETHER ITS PPL NTPA OR OUTLAW. THEN ALL THE REGION WINNERS WETHER ITS PPL OR NTPA AND MAKE IT A TRUE CHAMPIONS PULL Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 09:43AM
I know	Quote outlaw tractors they took the top 4 in outlaw points..would of though they would of took the winners of the ntpa region points..how did red iron get in doent even pull the class????????? Previous years winner gets an automatic bid the following year! Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 09:19AM
region fan	10 wins, and 22 top threes doesn't get the Region 3 winning tractor in? Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 01:14PM
region 3 puller	He dont own the tractor anymore Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 01:19PM
Dean's wife	He didn't apply. He wants to focus on getting the new project going. Really excited. Reply Quote

	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 13, 2011 10:18PM
Just Saying	Dont forget also there are many SFs that are converting over to the 4.1 class this winter. Reply Quote

Re: So..Lets get this right... November 14, 2011 02:05AM

Hello

The national farm machinery show is for farmers who think they are big shots. The farm show means nothing within the pulling community other than those who with deep pockets trying to make a name for themselves. The commitee only knows certain farmers hence the denial of many non farming families to there event. The commitee's history of picking competitors is poor and the show is even poorer. The mods, twd's, and hss are the only three classes that should be there. I think the LSS need a 300' track to look any different than the Hss anyways.

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	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 14, 2011 11:32AM
left field	You're way out there man... Reply Quote

Re: So..Lets get this right... November 14, 2011 03:46AM

Bryan Lively

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Quite honestly for all this weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth Im seeing here, the NFMS MUST mean something more than what some of you are saying. Otherwise this thread wouldn't have the legs it's had. At the center of all this is that the committtee will be villains when picking Super Farm tractors for their show. Did some very good tractors not get in? Yup. Is it unfortunate? Yup. This is an invitational event with a finite number of spots, and of the tractors that didnt get in theres probably a half dozen or so that would play at the top quite easily and the rest arent slouches. I do not envy trying to pick Super Farm and TWD competitors, those seem to be the two most closely matched classes from top to bottom.

As for the comment that its a Big Time Operator (BTO) show, you gotta have substantial means to afford to do this. I do not in any way begrudge anyone of making and having above average means. I think that this the last place where we need to start a discussion of the haves and have nots, we have politicians that try to make us turn on one another as it is. The sport takes both intellectual and financial capital, theres not a dull knife in this drawer full of competitors.

Im not gonna suggest that the process is fair or unfair; and for lack of a better way of stating it, it is what it is. There are some competitors in other classes (some good LSS tractors on the sidelines) that I personally feel that had every right, every reason to be in, but they're not. It is what it is.

If the process was easy, we'd all try it. It's not. Anyone who takes on the battle of putting together an indoor event from a horse barn full of antiques to a pull in Freedom Hall, its a job and a challenge. Adding the invitational process into it makes it that much harder to do.

The only thing I'd suggest is ask competitors that got in what they have done, especially those who are competitors who have only been in the last couple years. What did they do different on their application? What separated it from the rest of the pack? I come from a history of judging FFA kids Proficiency submissions, and when there's a ton of them and they're all good, you gotta start digging deeper. I've taken a couple hours before to read and re-read applications (in one area, dairy production), just to make sure I made the right call. You can never tell what made an application be denied. And quite frankly it sucks to return a Proficiency/CDE form to a fellow advisor and tell them their star player didnt go to state because they didnt follow through somewhere on the application. Yes it is almost apples to oranges because there is a defined, publicly available rubric for FFA competitions, but this is a starting place.

just my .02

Good to see the board woke back up Smiling

Bryan Lively -

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	Re: So..Lets get this right... November 14, 2011 04:41PM
fan ih	It might help if you played by the rules last year so that you had a chance of getting in this year. Even if you were the ntpa champ this year. Reply Quote

Re: So..Lets get this right... November 15, 2011 02:10AM

farm show

For many reasons this pull is a wonderfull event,1st the farm show without it the pull would not have an allready huge population to fill the seats,2nd it has became prestigious to do well or win this event put's a feather in ones cap,location and facility a one day's drive that can bring many pullers in,now the selection process has always seemed political,the short track is just an indoor thing,and some puller's do not want to get their rigs out on winter roads and deal with a cold conditions for a few seconds of short track pulling with the possability of crashing into concrete behind the sand pile,let's pray their is never a sled problem at the end of a pull.So for those who like to pull their great,and those who don't that is fine as well.

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	Re: Not much color in the light class November 19, 2011 10:02AM
kenny j	sir i know of a d 21 that is invited from missouri Reply Quote

	Re: Not much color in the light class December 07, 2011 12:10AM
tough job	wouldn't want there job, but is alot of fun to watch Reply Quote