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Do you know what it takes to make a Super stock tractor?
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Do you know what it takes to make a Super stock tractor? |
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wide range of super stocks out there, in definition and result on the track. please elaborate. |
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understanding tractors
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If a person came up to you and asked please tell me what a SS tractor is?.
What would you tell them? |
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generally speaking, multi chargers. |
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Now by this definition (which i agree with generally speaking) you could take your 1066 out of the shed get some new plumbing and 2 turbos and voila 1066 super stock.
The original question was - Do you know what it takes to make a Super stock tractor? There is a lot of blue sky between the 1066 above and esdons, shrameks, and lustiks. Based on hp goal you are looking to reach, one just needs to take desired frame and motor preference, increase air and fuel and the ability to consume the added air and fuel properly. Then come up with the desired parts that will not only produce these increases but also hold together under the added stress. Doing the above with multi-turbos would put the tractor in the super stock classification. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2012 06:39AM by AV. |
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understanding tractors
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Not asking about HP.
if there is a JD B with all the saftey items for pulling just overbored or a 1066 with all the saftey items for pulling just with the stock fuel pump that had work done to get more fuel or a 1070 case with all the saftey items for pulling with 2 turbos or JD 4020 with one turbo with all the saftey items for pulling just 1 turbo bored to 700 cuin which one is a SS tractor? this is somewhat of a trick question |
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the 1070 would be put in a SS class because of the 2 turbos. Whether or not everything else (fuel, air, engine itself, etc)to go along with it is there or not would determine how competitive it is. It may not even be a very "super" tractor either. LOL! |
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Now I am lost.
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.............. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2012 09:08PM by AV. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,523 |
going by "common rules" the case would only be permitted to hook in the ss class..the jd-b can hook in ab out anything from open antique to open super,but it cannot hook in any rtegional or national classes except open super due to the use of the spark ignition based fuel..the 66 can hook in about anything that it will make wt for..the 4020 is a brush puller,due to the cuin limits,but if nothings beingf pumped it could hook in sf,with the right size charger,and the rest of the rn-gn classes too i guess based on that. |
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understanding tractors
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Patches is the closest!!
Definition of a Super Stock Tractor 1970's to now A Super Stock Tractor is a tractor that meets all safety requirement for the Class being pulled in and has some type of performance enhancement done above stock. Period The rule books states all safety requirements that need be Max amount of turbo's (not min) Max tire size (not min) Max size on many things and a few things that you can not do. The definition of a SS tractor needs to be looked at and redefined. To me a Definition of a SS tractor should be put into all rule books that they must have 30.5 x 32 tires. max rolling circumference 210" Rim width to be within 27 to 32 wide. or maybe even add must have 2 chargers. |
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Registered: 09/23/2008 Posts: 633 |
just to be persnickety, do the two turbos have to work or just bolted on, why not state a minimum tire since there is already a maximum, the llss has a minimum tire of 18.4*38 in the old rules haven't looked for this year. It would be conspicuous to see someone run a complete year and get a clock cleaning and win a points battle with a n/a tractor, but technically they would be legal in a mixed ss class. One would have to have thick skin and tough hide to handle the abuse from fans and pullers. |
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seen it done. |
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This may be one of the dumbest threads I have ever seen! The definition for any class is always set my maximum allowable limits. Why can't a superstock run 24.5's if they want? Why can't they run a single turbo? If you are going to set minimums and maximums for a class, you might as well just say exactly what the tractor has to be. Here in Mytown, USA our superstock class is for IH tractors only with 540 cubic inches, sigma pumps, 3 chargers no bigger than 4" at the intake wheel made by hypermax, 30.5 tires, hypermax head, simpson water system, profab transmission. If you have any other setup, you can't run in this class. Stupidity! |
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I agree! The original question "Do you know what it takes to make a Super stock tractor?" I was thinking he wanted to know how to build or "make" one and what it would take to do so.
But was really wanting to debate on what makes a tractor a ss or classification. My English may be getting rusty though. |
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Pi$$^D Pullers
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ALLOT OF SS PULLERS ARE GETTING UPSET THAT THERE ARE SO MANY SUPER FARMS, LIMITED PRO AND HOT FARMS JUMPING IS A SS CLASS ALONG WITH PROSTOCKS.
NOW THE WANT TO PULL IN THE SS CLASS SO THEY HAVE MORE SPOTS TO PULL BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN A SS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IN THERE CLASS….. THE PROMOTERS’ (FAIRS) ARE NOT TO HAPPY IF THE CLASS GET TO LARGE ALSO. PULLS DRAW THE PEOPLE IN FOR THE SHOW AND THEN GET THEM BACK OUT TO SPEND $$$ ON FOOD AND RIDES. AS FOR DUMB THREAD LETS PUT OUR FORD ESCORT ON A NASCAR TRACK |
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Well the SS pullers I have been around usually don't care if others jump in and pull. But when you go to every pull all summer and you have to have a meeting to give special rules for this guy and that guy every time, it gets old. (most of the time no one can agree and it's 30 min to show time or give an inch take a mile takes place)
The rules were the rules when we all loaded and left for the pull. I personally don't have time to worry about every guy going across the scale. And have run into the situations where they tell the scale guy that they are getting a weight variance and pull without telling or meeting with the whole class. That burns bridges pretty fast and then no class jumping rules get talked about and eventually implemented. I say more the merrier, it helps the show. Especially LPS and PS in the DSS class. But rules are made at the winter meetings and then we go pulling during the summer. No SF class would let a DSS jump in even they weighed 8000 still. I think it's unreasonable to build a tractor for a class and want to win and run points for that class and then expect to pull that same tractor in another higher hp class with special rules implemented that day so they have a better chance at some free fuel money. Having another place to hook is one thing, but special treatment mid season is another. Certain rules do need to be made mid season, mostly pertaining to safety though. |
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understanding tractors
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THANK YOU
Rules need to be made. |
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LPS Puller
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Need to have all the required safety equipment ie; roll cage, tie bars, fuel/air cutoff devices,firewall,front skis,cable around motor,etc. As far as motors you can run any charger combination, 1,2,3,or 4 charger setup, Alcohol or Diesel, cubic inch size ,that is all dependent on ones pocketbook size. |
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yeah
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A component. |
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MONEY MONEY MONEY AND THEN SOME MORE MONEY |
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Yeah cloggin
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And heaven forbid the puller with no money beats the puller with money one time. then the puller with money gets the rules changed because he has the most money and thinks he need all the "attention". |
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well a DT466 single turbo tractor won the SS points race up here in Canada for 2011 ... so is multi turbo a must to define super stock... I dont think so. 2 poor 2 pull :-( |
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1-if a tractor with three turbos wants to run small tires does that mean they get the extra 500lbs like the prostocks and super farms get???????????
2-why should the superstock with 3 turbos that puts alot of time and money have to weight less just so the single charger small tire tractors can beat or be within 5 ft of them!!!!!!!!! 3- state level you basically have 2 different groups of distances the poor superstocks with the superfarms and poor prostocks and then you have the sigma pumps and the big dollar supers and prostocks which are usually 30 to 40 ft ahead so if you wanna seperate by rich and poor people the poor superstocks should get extra 500lbs !!!!!! anyone that spends under $100,000 on building a tractor!!! |
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Super Stock class should have 1 weight. If you want to pull in the class then you weigh the same as every tractor in the class. |
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YEAH
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5500 lbs.!!!!!!! That will go over like a lead baloon. |
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8000
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8000 lbs across the board
30.5 x 32 |
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yeah
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I am sure that 8000 will bring alot of tractors to EVERY event in the nation!!! |
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Agreed. Unless a class is originally designed to be a combination class, like Full Pull Production's Smoker Series, the weight should be the same across the board. I don't want to see a limited prostock win a superstock class because he was given a handicap. |
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4 sure
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If it is a SS class the whole class is the same weight? |
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not necessarily because if you are in the light super stock class, the rules seem to change yearly between the diesels and the alcohols if they run straight up the alcohols will walk away. if you give the diesels a couple hundred pounds or 2 inches on the drawbar they seem to run right with the alcohols if you give them both the diesels will walk away! |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
Esdon runs at even weight and even cubic inches with the alcohol tractors in the GN Light Super class. He seems to do just fine against Chizek and Wettleson and they are the best of the best. A little better luck with injection pumps this year and we might have had a diesel Light Super Stock champion. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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tires
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Both with 30.5 32? |
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