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Great Plains 2012 schedule
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Registered: 07/20/2008 Posts: 727 |
Friday June 1 6:30 P.M. Rock Valley IA Cancer Benefit Pull
Friday June 8 6:30 P.M. Hawarden IA Sat. June 9 3:00 P.M. Alvord IA Sat. June 16 3:00 P.M. Beresford SD Friday June 22 6:30 P.M. Garretson SD Sat. June 23 5:30 P.M. Pipestone MN Tues. July 3 7:00 P.M. Menno SD Wed. July 4 11:30 A.M. Inwood IA Mon. July 23 7:30 P.M. Rock Rapids IA Friday July 27 6:30 P.M. Le Mars IA Sat. Aug. 4 5:00 P.M. Jasper MN. Mon. Aug. 6 6:30 P.M. Inwood IA. Benefit Pull for the Old Folks Home Thur. Aug. 9 6:30 P.M. Rock Valley IA Friday Aug. 10 7:00 P.M. Ocheyedan IA Mon. Aug. 13 7:00 P.M. Parker SD Sat. Aug. 25 5:00 P.M. Madison SD We got our schedules today in the mail and its shaping up to be another awesome season. There is also a chance that Sioux Center Iowa may rejoin the schedule as well. Just to let everybody know there is now a twenty four hour cutoff for registering for a tractor pull. This applies only to Great Plains Members we are trying to lighten the work load of the girls doing the signup so if your a Great Plains member all you have to do is pay when you get there. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2012 01:39PM by Dick Morgan. |
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mn sf
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is parker guna have outlaw sf again?? |
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SD tractor
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yes i believe so |
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Registered: 07/20/2008 Posts: 727 |
SD tractor just wondering if you know, are the guys building new pro farm tractors going to quit the 3000rpm class all together or run both of them? |
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Registered: 03/14/2010 Posts: 135 |
so who all are building for the new class,,,, and what are the rules????????????????????? |
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SD tractor
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The new class is a glorified open farm class with an rpm limit. |
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Registered: 07/19/2008 Posts: 145 |
I have asked for the last 2 years when the next yearly meeting or monthly meeting is and where. I have not ever been told or seen it on the website. I was wanting to come and see if a combination would be allowed. I would like to build and come to pulls as they are local but can never get any information. Can someone please put it on the website? Thank you in advance. Just seem to get pushed away when I want to run a brand other JD or IH. Hope that is not the case. Thanks in advance. |
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Registered: 03/14/2010 Posts: 135 |
what are you wanting to run? what class and trctor?? |
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Registered: 07/19/2008 Posts: 145 |
Wanting to run a Case with 504. Would like to run stock or 3000 rpm or consider new class if knew rules. |
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Registered: 03/14/2010 Posts: 135 |
the rules allow the 504 case, BUT it must be in a tractor that it belongs in with the stock rear for that motor, for example you cannot run the 504 in a 930, but you can run it in the 1270, 1370, 1570, 2290 etc.the open farm is a 466 class, all engines large than 466 have to be in stock chassie 5020s with 531, 6030s with 619 and so on. |
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So what are the rules of this new class ? |
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Registered: 03/14/2010 Posts: 135 |
they are not set yet |
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Why Not
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Why don't you guys make the 504's run 2800 insted of 3000 . That's what North East and West Central were doing in the begining. Now I think they run 3000 because they figured out the cases didn't win anyway. You really should consider letting them run with your club it does add color. Try it what do you have to loose, 1st place? |
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If you want to pull a case with a 504 that might come close to competing it has to be in the 12,000 lb tractor that it came in. But if it's red or green bolt your 466 in your 4010 or 460 and that's just fine! |
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Registered: 07/19/2008 Posts: 145 |
Both of these are valuable points that I and others have been trying to bring up. However when we ask about when the rules meeting is or meetings in general we are never given an answer. Just "Come to the rules meeting and we'll see what happens." How are we to come when the date is never told to us. I even pulled a couple of pulls one year, paid to be a points member, and still never was given any information. This seems just too much like if you are not from Sioux County, you are not welcome. I hope this is not the case. Why are the dates not published more? I completely agree that a 466DT block in a 460 is not even remotely the replacement block. How many people replace their 460 blocks with a 466 when they have a problem. Very few. The 466 JD in a 4010 I can see. Don't even agree with a466 in a 806 but I understand the bolt pattern bolts up. So why not a 504 in a 930 or even down to a 730? They bolt up just as much. Same exact block as a 451 just is punched out a bigger swing crank. Competely agree with the 2800 RPM handicap and if not competitive then let them run 3000. Everyone knows the parts and research is not their for the Case as much as the JD or IH. What is the problem? Fear that you might get beat by a off color? Well if that is the problem then do as I have been told, "Go buy a red or green tractor then". I and many others would just like a chance to play as much as the rest. How about making a class for off brands then? You can only pull if it is not a JD or IH. Bet there would be a pretty good showing of tractors if not more!! |
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Anonymous User
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If you wanna build a 930 why not bolt in a 451? most of the 504 parts fit and i'm told you can make a 451 run pretty well cuz you don't run out of head flow so fast? the biggest reason a 504 has trouble staying with a 466 is head flow even at 3000 rpms. we have a 1370 we are putting on a serious diet but still probly 10,000lbs, can that run in your open class with a different lighter front axle? |
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Registered: 07/20/2008 Posts: 727 |
Just curious how many cases, fords, whites, cockshutts, allis chalmers and olivers pull with northeast nebraska and west central iowa? Can anybody help me out? |
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Posts: 590 |
No Cases in the 3000 RPM class here, if there is, they came from Iowa. There's two Allis D21's here, they're fairly regular. Maybe a 9000 Ford w/ a 456 Genesis someday. |
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West Central Puller
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I think there are 4 maybe 5 cases , 2 fords , 1 allis |
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Scrappy fan
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hey Tim, will scrappy stay open farm??, or will she go to the new pro farm class??? |
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Registered: 02/26/2010 Posts: 55 |
Scrappy will be in open farm this year.............................. |
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Scrappy fan
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awe come on Scrappy wants to have more air and go faster |
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Registered: 02/26/2010 Posts: 55 |
patience young grasshopper....to be continued |
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Registered: 07/20/2008 Posts: 727 |
We will go Pro-farm when Red Rock goes limited Pro
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Registered: 03/14/2010 Posts: 135 |
the rules meeting for 2012 was held last fall, but maybe the best thing to do is build your tractor the way you want, then start your own oginization, outlawing all IHs and john deeres and go pull on your own. that will really teach them |
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Re: to midwest puller
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why not
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I can tell your one in the in croud with your 466 red or green probobly red because as sarcastic as you are you hate to loose!! But I for one am glad I don't have to pull with your group because everthing I have ever heard about your type is true. Have fun with your red green boring show!! OH and by the way from what I have seen of your group I don't think very many are 466 cid. |
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Al
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Bring your tools to measure, smart a**. We will be waiting! |
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The Pull we have in Jefferson has 504's in it. Running Box 3lm's it's anyones class. That's the way it should be. |
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ihs
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I pull a red tractor with great plains and im sick and tired of hearing youir bs all the time,graet plains has had two meetings already and i didnt hear any of you case guys there in person to ask about it but you can all bloat about it on the net.Grow up already and grow a pair!!!
Open farm has a 466 cube limit-504 is bigger than 466-where do you suggest we draw the line 640 or what!!!Maybe a rpm limit on the 504 would work,and by the way we had a protest last year and we pulled a pan off the tractor to find out that it was legal cubic inch-we can make them run!!! GOOD DAY!! |
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read the posts
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I believe thats what the original post was saying. No one tells him when there is going to be a rules meeting, therefore he can't stand up during the meeting and mention his case. |
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Builder
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CASE people "don't rock the boat" and use a 451 when the rules say 466 CID LIMIT.
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AH
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ok fine us case people wont rock the boat the you green and red a** holes can run your 404 and 414 |
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Builder
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So IH and JD people are A-holes because they can run factory 466 engines? |
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Nut Case
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There are a lot of machine shops that will be able to "stroke your poor little crank" so you can get those extra 15 cubes that you think you need so bad. If you say the 451 is so bad then either put small sleaves in the 504 or have it destroked. If you would have been a little wiser you would have kept your yap shut and put the 504 in and told everyone it was destroked. If you got cought you would have only been out for 3 pulls for first time cheating. Now since your belly aching about it everyone knows that if it a tractor comes out with a 504 in it that it is probably 504 cubes. Maybe we should just make it a 505 class instead of 466. It is easy to make any color work for that many cubes. Just a thought. |
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why not
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It's not the fact that you CAN run one it's the fact that you won't allow anything else to run with you. I realize it is a 466 class and that is fine but why can't it be a 401 class or a 504 class . You make the rules to fit red and green and change them when it best suits you and to heck with the rest of the people who run something else. Why do you run a 466 ih .... because it's cheap and easy horspower. Well thats a little like the 451 verses the 504 the 451 's heads are not that good the ijectors are not that good and they like to break cranks if you push them very hard . So no it's not fair to question your rules as to what cid it is ,BUT it does bring to question as to why not ,with all the exeptions you make for red and green ,why there are not any exeptions made for other brands. If you want a tractor to show up just to sweeten the pot for you to win why would you get more tractors to join your group. If you want to honestly have a tractor pull you should have other colors to pull against. |
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I run Red and all in favor of 504's in the class. The extra cubes aren't that big of a deal. Sounds like someones afraid of getting beat to me. We need all the color we can get in all classes just to put on a Pull and have fans in the stands. Just my thoughts. |
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Registered: 07/20/2008 Posts: 727 |
If anybody out there wants to come to a meeting and if they are not posted on the website, there are plenty of phone numbers on there that you can call to find out. |
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Registered: 07/20/2008 Posts: 727 |
Sorry really didn't finish my thought. Just a note to let everybody know that the president, and the rules committee's phone numbers should be on the website. Call one of them to find out when the meetings are. |
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Registered: 03/28/2010 Posts: 44 |
I agree, Jefferson has had a great pull. Being from WC Iowa group, we first allowed the Cases to run at 2800 RPMs, then last year made it 3000, and it's still anyone's game, Majority of the time, it's a red/green show, but it's nice having 4-5 cases in the class. |
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Re: Case guys - answer me this
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Posts: 590 |
I hear a lot of guys say the 451 will snap a crank, compared to the 504. Why? Its the same stroke, 5", the bore is what makes the difference in cubic inches, 4 3/8" in a 451 versus 4 5/8"in a 504. So why is this, that a 451 is a crank breaker, and a 504 is not? |
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Re: Case guys - answer me this
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here's why
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Your a parts guy at cih you should know!!!! BIG crank ,,,,,,,,,,, SMALL crank |
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Posts: 590 |
Personally, I have not looked into it. Guess I'm gonna have to, for the fun of it, see what differences I can find. |
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Registered: 01/17/2009 Posts: 207 |
3 different cranks for cases that I know of:
(1) 451 has smaller journals (weaker) (2) 504 big journals with small counter balancers (3) 504 big journals with big counter balancers (most diserable) 504 blocks better also, oil bottom of pistons, better oil pump etc... |
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Re: Case guys - answer me this
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jeffL
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If memory serves me correct, here is a difference I remember.
377,401,451 and 504 small journal Case cranks have a base weight of 130 pounds. 504 large journal Case cranks have a base weight of 180 pounds. I saw this in a used tractor pars catalog, I'm sure there are a few variances to this with the different counterweghts and such. So you have 50 more pounds of strength. |
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iapuller
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let'em pull i bet they wouldn't complain about having to pull toward the front of the class during the season. and then complain enough so the gals that do the drawing of the numbers have to go get "more" numbers because thats going increase the chances of you not having to pull in the first part of the class. it doesn't matter if there are 20 chips or 1000 chips it the luck of the draw. also on the subject of cases with 504's how is it any different than guys putting a 466 in a 560? i can see the 66 and 86 series because they actually had a 400 series motor so a 466 would be a replacement motor. i don't know deere facts so i'm not touching that. one last thing i seen there is a pull in cherokee on i believe sunday july 15th?? its a pending pull, hopefully it happens but why is not a points pull? |
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IH Pulling Farmer
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Wow what a bunch of winers. I dare to bet most of the tractors that pull with great plains are cheaters, every here of them taking them apart and checking there cubes. Need to make it like it used to be, Whatever cubes the tractor came from the factory with is what you go with. Great plains pulls are drag racing, one with the must speed and momentum wins, it not about HP or Cubes. Raising the RPM limit is a joke too. Yea More color in the class would be nice. |
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Anybody know what the rules for the new class are yet???? |
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