05:24:46am, Friday, May 17, 2024
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St. Hyacinthe
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Anonymous User
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 Whats the deal with the purse and classes up there? Rumor is no Mods and the only class even coming close to the voted on proposed purse is the SS?? Wonder whose doing all the negotiating for NYTPA???
 Rick
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Re: St. Hyacinthe
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Anonymous User
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Your key word is close!!! What is the purse down to now? It should be they take all the NYTPA classes or none. |
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Re: St. Hyacinthe
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Why would you even go less?
Dont give me because you may loose the event because just like every body else if the pull needs more money then they can raise the price of other items. If NYTPA stays at the same purse as 2008 then NYTPA is not the ones costing the event more money, but I am sure like the rest of us the pullers are not makeing any more money. HELLO WAKE UP |
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Re: Re: St. Hyacinthe
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look at the big picture
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no one ever said that it was going to be less. all they said was depending on the exchange rate that it would be no less than x, but if the same exchange as last year or better it could be as high as y. give the guy a break this is the highest payed purse by far, and you don't think he knows that. i personally don't expect the key to the city after two years. lets try to build a relationship with them. |
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Re: Re: St. Hyacinthe
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Anonymous User
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Why are the mods not invited(if that is the case)? Why have some things changed since what was talked about at the beginning(dates, purse)? Will things continue to change? Just my thoughts. |
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Re: Re: St. Hyacinthe
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Anonymous User
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I give any promoter credit for coming up with any money pulls these days. Let's face it, there won't be 100,000 people in the stands. My only questions are, What happened to the Mods? and What's with the proposed purse difference for the 2 classes they do want? possibly a $2000 difference.
Rick |
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Re: Re: St. Hyacinthe
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nothing changes !!
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you have 4-5 payed employees making all the decisions. what does it matter what the pullers think,they have work to think about. the pullers voted for said purse or don't go, but they do what they want. don't kid your self this deal was made before the meeting, just like every thing. the vote was just a very small hurdle. the promoter has no other outfit that wants to pull there, why do you think ny was contacted. that's why said purse was voted on. nothing will ever change with employees running the show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: Re: St. Hyacinthe
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Yes it was voted to be less at the meeting that it was decided to be a points event.
Also Get that idea out the window about the exchange rate. We are in the US$ that is X..... why dont you go to McDonalds and tell them you are making less this year so lower your price. We are not asking for more US$ WHY DO PULLERS SELL THEM SELVES SHORT???? how many years has that pull been going on?? Pullers must be something. Do you realize pullers move MILLIONS and MILLIONS of US$ every year.... Do you also realize that the local fairs will lose less business this year than most places will??? People will spend more money locally at a event then traveling to large NASCAR event and still save money. |
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St. Hyacinthe UNL MODS
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Registered: 04/09/2008 Posts: 277 |
It comes down to economics
last year there was at least 2 factors that had a effect on purse. One was that NTPA canceled out just a few weeks before the pull, so the promoter was willing to pay a premium to get pullers. Last year the exchange rate was par, $1us = 1cnd, This year the cdn is 25% less. The promoter can not increase ticket prices 25% to keep the purse the same. NYTPA is asking close to what GN or PPL purse money for vehicles that do not have the spectator draw that the national vehicles do, so why should the purse be as much. If you follow NASCAR I believe I saw where some of their purses were being lowered because of the economy. I believe the St Hyacinthe pull is significantly smaller than many of the GN pulls yet is paying comparable or more purse money. (I am not positive on this) The promoter wants a minimum of 10 mods, NYTPA can not guarantee that, if the promoter runs a invitational Unl class he can guarantee a minimum number of mods plus the local 4 engine mods can pull and the UNL are a bigger draw than NYTPA mods. Class discrepancy in purse, comes back to draw power for the vehicles and cost of operation and owning the vehicles. |
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Re: St. Hyacinthe UNL MODS
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Anonymous User
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If your pulling for money you should probably stop now because there is no money in it. Its a hobby not a career. Sorry to disappoint you guys. |
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oatmeal in corn flakes
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OK you just said it. Last year they paid NYTPA close to what they paid to have a Grand National guys to be there in US$. The exchange rate was basically 1:1 last year Canada made out better last year then they did in previous years because of the exchange rate. GOOD FOR THEM
But now NYTPA when back to them right from the get go with a lower US$ purse then they got last year, Which I thought was kind of stupid, that's like going into your boss and saying hey how about paying me less this year. You always leave it alone and if they ask about a discount then you have more room for talks NYTPA went to Canada with a 16% cut off last years price in November and now they are asking for the exchange rate difference also???????????? Do the math that id almost 50% off last year.... part II I disagree the NYTPA events can be just as good as any National event, Its all how it is run. If the purse is left the same and broke down in placement spot more even, then you will get more of a verity of tractors, because they will show up knowing they should go home with something. If the sled is set right most of the tractors will be fling down the track with wheels spinning, dirt fling, engines roaring Just like any event. MONEY If pullers keep selling them selves short, they will never brake at least even on pulling. Pulling is not just a hobby it is a sport like NASCAR, NFL, and O'Boy GULF. Pullers have to Stop looking at there selves that don't deserve to get paid for the entertainment they provide. I see more people at Pulling event then I do at a lot of gulfing events. think about that |
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Re: St. Hyacinthe UNL MODS
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Anonymous User
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Agreed NYTPA can not provide 10 MODS, but what are the chances of getting 10 Unlimiteds up there? NTPA dropped this pull, so why would guys bother coming up? They can't possibly be getting enough $$ to travel all that way and then need to be somewhere else next. I don't know their schedule, but how close to St. Hyacinthe could their next event be? Just look at what happened in NH and VT. These pulls are so far out of their way that it just doesn't benefit them to come. These guys run a pre-committed circuit and there are places they have to be.
As far as more money for different classes due to vehicle operation costs. That's a joke. If that's the case why is this the only event where such a factor is being considered?? We all know why the SS class is being given a bigger purse!!!!! Rick |
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Re: St. Hyacinthe UNL MODS
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dont forget
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dont forget about penn yan last year with the twds purse. sounds like someone forgot about that |
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And..........
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Ed
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And I don't remember seeing any NYTPA 2wds there except for Silent Thunder................And you bitch about purses! |
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Re: And..........
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Anonymous User
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Penn Yan's TWD purse was raised because one of their sponsors choose to put up some more $$ for just that class, it wasn't part of the negotiating process to get the event there. This was done to lure some trucks that may have been going to Syracuse, which was later canceled.
Silent Thunder runs for points with both clubs, that's why he was there. Not to mention where he is from. Do you really think I would drive all the way out there for just for a slightly raised purse. The actual dollar amounts are not the issue. It's the fact that all class were to receive the same $$ and now that has changed. Rick |
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Slightly raised?
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Ed
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Slightly raised? When when the last time you ran for $2200 to win? But if its co-sanctioned this year, you'll drive all the way out there for less money. Makes sense? |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Registered: 04/09/2008 Posts: 277 |
It is not co-sanctioned this year, board made the decision earlier this week.
My understanding NYTPA wanted a raised purse from them, but did not want it from Hemlock which is farther away! The +400% increase in 1st place money and 60% increase in total prize money last year was to draw trucks in from Canada and Ohio. There was no intention of pulling trucks from Syracuse because $ can not compete with points. it says a lot when the pullers did not come to the pull for that amount of money, when it was in the normal area of their organization, and the pull in Syracuse was canceled. Class $, have you looked at the PPL and NTPA points money, I believe you will find a difference in points money between class'. Check the purse at some of the big pulls, you will also find the purses are not even for all class'. |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Anonymous User
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We are talking about an NYTPA event, where all the classes are paid the same.
The only reasons for going to Syracuse would have been it's a 2 day event and to try and get some pulls at events other than fairs. Rick |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,152 |
So - if every class is getting the same prize money I wonder whether you have a bunch of TWDs and few modifieds? A lot of Super Farms and few Pro Stocks / Super Stocks?
That's what usually happens here when the majorety (with cheap tractors) votes for socialistic prize money - then it goes for 5 years ... and then they figure out they have no more spectators at the events anymore and turn it all around to get the big tractors back, that didn't bother to run for the same money as the "entry level" tractors. Just wondering whether that is the same in your neck of the woods... Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Registered: 04/09/2008 Posts: 277 |
well that kind of answers your posts a few weeks ago, about the low number of mods. The prize money in NYTPA should be changed to reflect the cost of building a vehicle and maintaining it. When a mod, or SS costs two or more times what a twd does to build and maintain the prize and points money should be more for them.
What has Syracuse have to do with it, did they pay an elevated purse? |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Anonymous User
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If you think that more prize money will off set building costs, you have lost touch with reality. But if this is what you are looking for you may be better off getting yourself a fishing pole and a worm and reap the rewards of snagging an old boot. The end pay off is the same. But fishing is a lot cheaper.
Rick |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Registered: 04/09/2008 Posts: 277 |
Ouch - Hit a nerve? |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Anonymous User
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Hit a nerve with who? Me? Not even close!!!! But there most be so many more wealthy guys out there because there are so many more of those high dollar SS/PS/SF in NY. I know we should have gone that route. As well as the quantity of quality Mods in the club??
Rick P.S. You'll have to much better than that to offend me............................................Got your new fishing rod yet, because I know you can find some worms...... |
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Re: Slightly raised?
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Anonymous User
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As I said the actual purse amount isn't the issue. It's the fact that both classes aren't being offered the same amount. Don't know if I will go to Penn Yan this year either. For less $$ or even if it is co-santioned.
Rick |
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Re: And..........
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Anonymous User
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I agree with Rick 100%. I think his complaint is legitimate. If they were told all classes would be receiving the same purse then that is what should happen. There seems to be a lot of things that have changed since the NYTPA agreed to sanction this event. I'll ask this question again, What other changes will we see before this event takes place? |
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what is this thread about
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ljnlj
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Canada I thought |
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Re: And..........
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nothing changes!!
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the real issue is that the 4-5 payed board members make all the decision's not the pullers!! the money is another issue. the members voted to get one purse and will get another. this happens with every thing in ny. as far as one class getting more than the other in ny, common this is ny. not to mention that nobody in ny wanted to go to Canada.
with the mods costing more than twd to maintain. we are not talking about unl. or gn mods. there is maybe 1 or 2 in ny that cost more than a top 6 twd don't kid your self !! |
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Re: And..........
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,152 |
where did the ones go that cost more? Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Re: And..........
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Anonymous User
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There are maybe 2 NY mods that put some serious money into their tractors in the past few years. The others have just watched their same old stuff become outdated and left 50 feet behind. That's where the others went. They either stay home or just add their $.01 from the other side of the state and don't bother competing with NY's top dogs.
Rick |
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Re: And..........
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,152 |
So you are telling me, since they don't get more prize money than the TWD guys, they have stopped investing and kinda dissappear?
Good to hear things are the same in NY than everywhere else. Of course you don't pull for the prize money only (you can either afford to run - or you better not even try), but it still helps the UPGRADES and over the year 200 $ more per pull can mean good money to invest into upgrades by the end of the season. Real life example about price money: There is pig pulls where we go home with 3000 - 4000 $ in prize money (we run two mods) when doing ok. Guess what we do the weekend before: Check through our tractors to make sure they are in top condition or try to break them at a little local pull for 1000 bucks? Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2009 09:50AM by Sascha. |
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Re: And..........
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Anonymous User
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???? The numbers have declined due some updating their stuff and others not winning with same old stuff. Don't know which ones may have cost more than a TWD??? But to compete in the NY TWD class are going to have to upgrade more than once a decade or just be happy coming, which is ok in my book. So I guess the others just stay home.
Rick |
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economics class
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Registered: 04/09/2008 Posts: 277 |
you might consider taking a economics class. You can purchase a competitive 2 wheel drive for $50k. I spent $70K a few years ago just upgrading. The cost of building a mod motor is close to the cost of a twd motor, then you have to multiply it times 3 for a mod.
twd purchases 1 set of rods every 25 runs, mod purchases 3 sets every 25 runs and it goes right on down the line! Tires for a mod are $7500 I am fairly confident that twd tires are much cheaper and will last much longer than a mods tires. I super charger is more expensive for a twd than a mod, but not when you multiply it times 3. |
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Trucks
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Anonymous User
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So i'm gonna change the subject abit and ask What is planned on happening with the 4x4 trucks? I can't see them not having a 4x4 mod class when there are 12-15 local trucks around the area that would show up. If the local trucks wern't there last year there would had been one truck there.
All i can say is last year i certainly enjoyed pulling there and meeting with other pullers. The prize money was nice to but was nothing compared to the smokers. Doesn;t bother me though. |
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Re: Trucks
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Registered: 04/09/2008 Posts: 277 |
this is from memory, when Luc called I believe he said they were running 4x4 trucks, Unl mods, twd & SS. |
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Re: Trucks
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have fun
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purse will be half as much this year for the fwd and twd. well half as much as the pullers voted on. but that has never stoped the board from doing what they want. the purse will be significantly less than last year . you are right about the local trucks, they will need them again this year to. |
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Re: And..........
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haha
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think you need to check the results again an nytpa truck won this pull |
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Re: And..........
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Anonymous User
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Yankee Blue won all three days last year. I came second the 2nd day and THE ROCK came second the other two days. |
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