Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed!

Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 07:23AM

Mueller

Registered: 04/10/2011
Posts: 183

Greetings to all again,

Cuba City's community Tractor pull is approaching in the next few months and I am working at getting my classes worked out for this year's event. I am posting here looking for input about a light 3000 RPM turbo class. It has been run at a few near by locations and i would like to help out and support it by possibly adding it to my line up.

If anyone that is interested would like to suggest a weight and some guidelines i will do my best at considering all thoughts prior to the event.

Thanks Brian Mueller (608)732-0653

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 09:01AM
interested	6500 lb, 10mm a pump, 18.4-38 tire 360 cube Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 10:10AM
RVDAIRY	Hey brian just kinda wondering if u are thinking a farm class or more of a two hot to farm. We would love to bring the 4020 and pull in a light farm class. 9500-10,000 10mph 3000 rpms is what we pulled in last year and was a nice class. Good luck planning and we will see u in the summer. Reply Quote

Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 10:56AM

Wyatt Blackford

I pulled this class last couple years in eastern Ia with my 706 cummins, in my opinion you would want to keep the weight around 8500 to 9000. Any heavyier than that the larger cube motors have more of an advantage, even at 10mph. Take my word for it I ran against a 619 and 466s at 11500 and got my rear handed to me up and down and that was running 3500 rpm. At 8500 or so it comes down to tire, track, driver. These are just suggestions though, and unfortuneatley the 706 wont be competing this year mostly because of the class we like to pull in it could not hold its own. It will be out again with a 466 in it someday.

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 11:29AM
Anonymous User	I agree with keeping the class at 7500 thru 9000 anymore than that and doesnt seem to be a light turbo. Just limit pump to an 10mm A and 10mph with one bump on speed Thats just my two cents Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 12:29PM
let them run	I say heck with the mph. Limit tire pump and cubes and let them run. That way it keeps the big cube motors away from the little ones. Reply Quote

Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 01:35PM

Mueller

Registered: 04/10/2011
Posts: 183

Brief discussions that I have made with others concerning the idea of the class was in the ideas of a 8000-9500# class. Last year that was in the ball park of what was done which also allowed any larger N/A tractors to compete in this class if they desired. Not saying that is what will happen just what i had for input prior to this posting. Thanks for the input so far but would still like more to see if their is a true interest.

Brian Mueller(608)732-0653

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 02:15PM
Mark Registered: 04/07/2008 Posts: 781	stay open minded dont end up with another 466 class Reply Quote

Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 12, 2012 02:54PM

cdphillips

Just a thought on what I have seen work very well, 3000 rpm limit, A or P model pump( single 3x3 charger on 370 cc fuel will not burn but so much fuel, cheaper to run a P pump),370 ci., 3x3 charger, 24.5 x 32 double cuts including puller tires 6500 lbs., water injection, and intercoolers. These rules would accept tractors like the 180, 185, 190 allis chalmers , ford 7810 decubed to 370 ,oliver 1650, 1655, 1755 with waukesha or 5.9 cummins, massey ferguson 399, ih 666, 766, 706 and so on. you get the message ,a class with a lot of color options that will put on a great show. Thanks for the space

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Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 05:19AM

4010 hotfarm puller

I got an idea why do people want to limit the RPMs so much why wouldn't you run 7500lb hotfarm no pace limit your pumps to A's single turbo. at 7500lbs you won't get to many big motors. I know these RPM classes is not how pulling was. if you ask me 7500lb hot farm is fair ball game to just about anything that weighs 7500lbs. This is your pull so i mean if thats what you want, great, its just my 2 cents worth.

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 06:12AM
chucky Registered: 11/21/2008 Posts: 167	Well there is already a class like you are looking for accross the river, 360ci, 3000rpm, 6000/6500 rpm, no speed limit, 10mm pump and 18.4 rears why not stay the same. Chucky Reply Quote

Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 07:06AM

i hope not

chucky i hope ur not talking bout the heartland class. thats just what he needs is to copy heatland rules. ive seen that class and with the execption of that 190 that runs in that class and i believe a 460 or 560 that runs in that class i wouldnt want some of those other dinosaur things to pull at my venue just cause they look like a liability waiting to happen. just make some rules and the ones that fit will show up. not goin to please everyone.

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 07:21AM
Mueller Registered: 04/10/2011 Posts: 183	Once again Thank you for the input. On a side note we are thinking along the lines of 8000# open turbo farm was the original idea. Brian Mueller Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 11:27AM
Anonymous User	why not #9500 410ci limit stock core pump 3000 rpm 2.8 turbo Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 02:37PM
local canoe mechanic	how u gunna limit turbo size? is some flunky gunna look at the inlet cross eyed with a tape measure and say its ok? same way with the pump i agree with an A pump. but how are you gunna tell me whats a 10mm or a 14mm by looking at it? run them 9000lb, A pump, 3000rpm with a 18.4 tire and let em eat. Reply Quote

Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 13, 2012 05:22PM

farmall puller

Registered: 09/03/2010
Posts: 393

All this talk about "A" pumps and "P" pumps is kinda silly folks. Your setting up a "light" pro-field, hot-farm, 2 hot to farm, or whatever you going to call it, since when is anything above 6000 or the very most 6500 considered "light"? also back to a pump issue it's cheaper to run a "P" pump than the big "A" pump and you don't have the problem of teching it. Keep the cu in down to 361 and the only turbo rule your need is single turbo. We run this very class here in MO. and the basic rules here are 361 cu in, 3000 RPM's, 18.4x 38 tire size and the weight is" depending on the Assoc." from 5700 to 6200. Easy class to run in and it make for a very good running "light" pro-field class. We also allow intercoolers and water inj. No fuel rules or water rules. Hey y do away with the cheap easy stuff? Very easy class to tech.

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2012 05:32PM by farmall puller.

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 14, 2012 12:11AM
Puddle jumper builder	I believe that Cuba City is far enough away from "Slabtown" that they wouldn't have one of their flunky's doing any checking! Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 14, 2012 08:31AM
Jeff B Registered: 12/15/2011 Posts: 18	Easy Puddle jumper builder, I'm thinkn you might want to think before you bash!! You must be in one small puddle and fell into it to think we're out of our area. As far as the "flunkys" LOL lets just say it's not our first rabbit hunt. Please put your name and number on next post! Can't wait for the pulling season to start! Thanks Slabtown Tractor Repair Jeff Bahl Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 14, 2012 08:31AM
Jeff B Registered: 12/15/2011 Posts: 18	Easy Puddle jumper builder, I'm thinkn you might want to think before you bash!! You must be in one small puddle and fell into it to think we're out of our area. As far as the "flunkys" LOL lets just say it's not our first rabbit hunt. Please put your name and number on next post! Can't wait for the pulling season to start! Thanks Slabtown Tractor Repair Jeff Bahl Reply Quote

Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 18, 2012 02:46AM

Mark

Registered: 04/07/2008
Posts: 781

what are you looking for a farm class or open class? if a farm class make some rules to limit it turbo block etc. if open p pump all safety equipment unless 3000 rpm still should have a steel flywheel. Also i think all of the local pulls should require a rpm pickup for 3000 classes such as to hot to farm and 8500-9500 no turbo some guys are not following rules, dont need a accident like a few years ago at Pville. should have a meeting set some rules

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2012 02:47AM by Mark.

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Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 26, 2012 03:32AM

Mueller

Registered: 04/10/2011
Posts: 183

As far as what I am hearing and with some input from interested guys in the class was something along these lines.

8,000# / 18.4 tire / 3000 RPM / A-pump / 10 MPH

Possibly called - 8,000 Open Turbo Farm Or Just 8,000 Turbo Farm

I understand this doesn't fit everyone but with the interest that the class already has I am considering it.
It was run in Potosi last year at 8500# with a 10 MPH limit and a few of the N/A tractors ran with them and were very competitive (2nd and 4th out of 8 tractors)
Nothing will be said they would have to run in that class. It would be a choice to them if they wanted to avoid the lower Speed Limit on the N/A class.

Mark - As to the rpm pick up, I would have no problem supporting the idea! I agree that we do not need a accident! That would be the end to such event. My only cons to the idea are -
1. How soon do they have to install them?
2. Does the guy that pulls 1 or 2 times a year? if not what do we do with him when the guys that are "required" to have them installed complain?
3. whom will supply the rpm box for the sled? (that is if you are monitoring it during the pull)

As for your suggestion for a meeting I would gladly attend and I'm sure I would have a few other promoters along with.
You have my # if you want to do so.

Brian Mueller (608)732-0653

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Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 27, 2012 04:25AM

kurtvtx

Registered: 02/09/2010
Posts: 237

At 10 mph does the pump size matter much? I would think tire size and speed limit would make a pretty level playing field. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, RPM moniter ports are great if you have a group that always pulls, but if you want a tractor fresh off the spreader or feed mill, they are not gonna come play if they need one. How effective is checking RPM by another means?

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	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 27, 2012 12:56PM
Clark Harris III	What is your classes going to be this year, we should be there with one tractor, lost the other one after our tax evaision lawsuit. Reply Quote

	Re: Cuba City WI 6/15/2012, Light 3000rpm class thoughts.Input needed! March 28, 2012 02:58AM
Mark Registered: 04/07/2008 Posts: 781	tractors that run 8500-9500 and to hot to farm come to all the brush pullsaround need to have you can check them with a hand tach they run 3000 then when theyre pulling they use foot feet or other and valves styart floating its easy to fiqure out dont know who trying to fool Reply Quote