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8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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eastcoast man
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has anyone ever seen or tried to run a 8.3 cummins in a lim. pro I.H. ? any sucesse or is this something that would even be allowed as far as the rules state ? |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Team one
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I know of one in a white , haven't seen it run yet but it must fit into the rules for the outlaws as I believe that is where it is supposed to run. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Info
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The 8.3 and 8.9 Cummins were in the MX series Case/IH's Would seem like it should fall within the rules for any organization. Now to run an 8.3 in a 66 series IH would not work. Unless you run component which the Limited Pro does not. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Gray Area
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I would doubt it is legal unless you are a local legend and have supported a group (perhaps Full Pull Productions) like Lorenz/Wilkins have for many years. Cummins never came from the factory in a binder (yes, I get the lineage down the lines in the case ih brand). What do they do for adapter plate, motor placement in the chassis, etc...???
How is it legal? Guess this is a gray area... |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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How about this?
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I believe a 3688 was an 8.3 against a 1086 rearend ?????? or 7120 was 8.3 against an IH rearend??
Not positive but IH sheetmetal and IH rearend with the cummins. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Gray Area
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Not close my friend!!! |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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buck n nasty
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Can I put a cat in a superfarm john deere at least the head I have the pistons
? Is whats so special about 8.3 8.9 oh @#$%& I forgot ding ding ding 24 valve hd oh I got it now but cat I run a cat in my john deere take all the rules and throw them run what ya brought Is it because of cheating or what whats so great about an 8.3 over a 400 series ih block? Ive seen a close person spend alot of money back in the day competing against a 680 with a 619 but never could beat this magnum 7140 8.3 Then this 666 got cought with somthing at gordyville with ???????+÷×=_% £€¥¥! $@/^&*((?,;:"'-♥♡★☆■□●○•°~\|<>{}[]¡¿》《¤◆◇ After that this Close person to me kick his xxx time and. Time and time over and over! And I would like to knw some of the things that are so special about the 8.3 or what he was doing |
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Re: Any engine any brand
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Registered: 10/18/2011 Posts: 262 |
This whole [what engine goes in what] is crazy. What makes the difference in today's pulling world ? Build it to the correct CU. IN. for the class your going to run and lets go Pulling. You will find the winners won't change. Those willing to do the research will still be on top. If you choose to stay brand loyal so be it !!! |
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Re: Any engine any brand
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Registered: 06/27/2008 Posts: 83 |
i have driven lots of 8.3 cummins and dt466 powered trucks and my preference would be the cummins better fuel economy more low end. I work for the local highway dept and they have constent problems with the 466,s and the cummins just keep on running. now the max force engines are even worse. bad cranks, injectors, blocks emissions. we have one truck that has only made about 4 snow storms in 3 years! the engineers from navistar cant even get it figured out. but than again i know it has nothing to do with the 466 of the early years. |
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Re: Any engine any brand
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Registered: 04/12/2008 Posts: 398 |
Maxxforce is hands down a better block than the 8.3 and the old 400 series. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Actually
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The 7120 example is the closest. It is an 8.3 CDC(consolidated diesel corporation) engine mated to a revised version of the 5X88 series transmission and rear end. It however was never badged under IH only under caseIH. Case's main contribution to the magnum series tractor was the hood 
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Yantes
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7110, 7120 on up came with an 8.3 in them. What I don't understand about the IH guys is: it's ok to run a 706, 806 etc rearend (d282 or d361 is the engine in those) its ok to run one of those rearends with a dt466 in front of it with Magnum or MX sheet metal. Talk about a gray area. Yet if a guy wants to update to an 8.3 Cummins the heavens and the earth have to be moved. Pulling rules in general need to be updated, don't think most of them have been updated in 25+ years. IH guys might find they have a more reliable block by switching to the 8.3 or 8.9. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Actually
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I can assure you the 8.3 block isn't even remotely close to being more reliable than the 400 series block 
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Registered: 01/30/2013 Posts: 15 |
I can assure you that the 8.3 is just as reliable and just as capable as the 466. |
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Nope
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Posts: 347 |
Funny stuff!
Wondering why more people arent using the 8.3? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2014 01:47PM by FarmersFun. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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lol
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Be careful what you ask for. |
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8.3 is far stronger than a 466
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Yantes
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The 8.3 Cummins is far stronger structurally than a DT466 any day of the week. The newer 8.3s are better quality casting than recast options for other brands. The crank is what a lot of the 8.1 JD guys are switching to. As of right now IH guys are content with Hypermax. The most you will get out of a DT466 is 598. The 8.3 can easily be made into 640 and lose 0 webbing between the sleeves. I digress though, only been studying the 8.3 and 8.9 for 10 years now. I am going to head back to the shop, correct some clearance issues and give it a shot again this year. |
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Re: 8.3 is far stronger than a 466
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Nope
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Umm no. 466 block will go 672 easily. Seen many 8.3's destroy themselves blocks split every which way in stock Ag apps. However don't take me wrong I have nothing against using the 8.3 just haven't seen one produce near what the 5.9's have yet |
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Re: 8.3 is far stronger than a 466
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Registered: 03/30/2008 Posts: 191 |
in the truck world the dt466 is WAY superior to the 8.3 when it comes to reliability. A lot of people like the 8.3 because of the Cummins name and they think it's just a bigger 5.9, but it hasn't turned out that way. i have no idea in the pulling world other than the pullers I know who are running Cummins seem to prefer the 8.9 block to the 8.3. Not sure why. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2014 12:24PM by ParkerFly. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Registered: 05/22/2008 Posts: 225 |
the USA-EAST tech staff approved the 8.3 Cummins for the Limited Pro division. wilkins ran with this combo for part of last season, but went back to the IH truck motor. the new tractor coming from John Lorenz is reported to be using the 8.3 cummins. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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want to know
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so if were to want to build a john deere and put a cat in for a power plant this would be ok ? or a new holland and use a 466 ih it is CNH now isnt it ??????? come on draw a line somewhere . maybe a kubota tin work with a detroit ?? |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Registered: 05/22/2008 Posts: 225 |
If you are a current USA-EAST member, you may go to the Tech Committee with your plans. The rule book tells you to do this prior to building something 'on the edge'. IF you get approved go ahead with your build. If not, go back to the drawing board. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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game on
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sounds like the cheat is on !!! & apperently the powers to be are ok with it . game on ! |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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confused
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why would you ? oem engine or oem replacement for series of sheetmetal used . dont see the relation anywhere. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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y
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8.3 never came in a I.H, at all . case ih yea ok. never in a 66, 86, 88 never did what is the discusion ? adapter plate ? illegal end of story . |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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lol
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This really got the john deere guys going. It is no different than the Deere guys running the newer Deere engines |
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Posts: 347 |
Please enlighten me as to what constitutes a "newer" Deere engine. |
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lol
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Well I think think your picture says it all. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Registered: 03/28/2008 Posts: 296 |
Well here's one for you then if you're going to run Magnum sheet metal why can't you run a case rear end an engine because that's just a sheet metal upgrade for that as well. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Oliver
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Why can't a ford and ih or case switch parts. Engines and transmissions and sheet metal? They are all the same company now. It would the same as Oliver guys using a cummins because it came in a white tractor. Which happens all the time. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Registered: 03/28/2008 Posts: 296 |
Would fendt be a sheet metal upgrade for oliver? Or are the newer sheetmetals other than the big 3pipe going to be outlawed forever? |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Posts: 347 |
lol,
"Well I think think your picture says it all." Not sure what exactly that statement is referring to ................... Nearly all parts are interchangeable from my engine right through 8.1L, so am not sure where the problem lies, or what you are getting at? Incidentally about the same thing as IH truck vs tractor. I fail to see where the issue would be when things are interchangeable. Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2014 04:39AM by FarmersFun. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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buck n nasty
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Hey smart ass out their 
Deere guys running newer deere motors deere deere deere is that the maker of the deere guys motor ding dongs lmao lol |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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As a john deere guy i say bring on the 8.3 and 8.9 cummins engines. Personally i believe it hasnt been done because you cant simply call up hyper and get off the shelf parts for them.
Also, as far as strength I know for a fact that the cranks at least are stronger than any billet crank thats ever been built (the bore spacings will fit a JD 8.1 block) |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Posts: 347 |
I agree with you, why exclude these engines? R&D is expensive, but eventually it will happen. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a G-1000
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8.3 in a G-1000? If is OK in a white, would it be the same, for a moline (rule wise)? |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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agree
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These motors will exclude themselves unless some starts building good parts for them they not go anywhere. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Registered: 01/30/2013 Posts: 15 |
Tell me about it! |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Jared Davis
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In Europe, there is a 90-series Case Pro Stock called "White Crow" that uses an 8.3 Cummins. Check it out on youtube. |
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8.3
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Yantes
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European Champion runs an 8.3
[m.youtube.com] Rabbit Gone Mad [rabbitpullingteam.dk] For all the naysayers about the 8.3 the weak point in a stock application is the oil pump. They go bad and spinning main bearings is common. Not the case in a pulling application. Most guys don't use the stock oil pump. |
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Re: 8.3
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Actually
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Most of the block failures I've witnessed in 8.3 stock apps were fractures near the cam bearing at rear of block causing most of the rear of block to fall apart. Seen many failures due to stock oil pump as well but block usually didn't split in that circumstance. Also alcohol is much easier to contain in a block than diesel. |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Agco allis
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So if ih can't run Cummins how is it olliver can because the linage to white tractors and how can allis run a Detroit dt466 with an international head. Will somebody please explain to me what tractors can run what? Oh can I put a sisu in a ford or a iveco in a 8000. Thank |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Registered: 04/12/2008 Posts: 398 |
Why wouldnt red guys run an 8.3 if thats what they want to do? 8.3 block with a 7110 engine plate will bolt to a 1066 rear- So whats the problem? No different than putting the dt466 on a 706. Run magnum sheetmetal or ask for a variance if you have something else in mind.... |
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Re: 8.3 cummins in a I.H. ?
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Wilmer Kloppenburg
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Hey Neilsroom can you tel me more about the 7110 engine plate on a 1066 rear end ? We are building a farmall 826 farmstock with a cummins 8.3. And looking for a solution... |
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