Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 11:31AM
I know in Ky. the 10,000Ib. hot farm class #'s have been down and I hope it doesn't go away in time with the 470cu. P pump. There are beginning to be more truck classes than tractor classes. What are some opinions on adding an A pump, no cubic limit tractor (no big blocks)? Many guys have built altered farm tractors that could easily fill the field with an A pump, but they might have 540 or whatever, everything else stays the same, safety, etc. The only difference would be cubic inch and A pump. This class is an everyday working man's class. Money is hard to come by when you have 40+ hooks a year between 2 organizations. It's kind of the same rules as the 10,000lb pro farm Gordyville rules, with several changes, sorta like a combo class. Would this be a good, equal combination? THANKS MORGANS FOR YOUR SPACE
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 11:56AM
I wouldn't like it one bit , Just spent $$$$$$ to make 470
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 12:29PM
I think it would be a good class, it would have a lot of color in it. It would be bad for people who have cubed there engines down to fit in the 470 class, a lot of money invested to do that.



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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 12:51PM
The new rule in time would make it more affordable to build a tractor, there's ton's of engines already built, the great 470 motors shouldn't be afraid of the A pump, there's only 1-3 top running tractors around now in Ky., if people have put ton's of money in there 470 motor, where are they at around here. Please tell where you have been in the top 3 at every week.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 01:34PM
Hell no,leave it alone,when it works don't screw with it
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 01:43PM
Numbers are not good in the pro farm class and haven't been for a few years now
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 01:51PM
If you think going your way would cheaper your wrong. If your gonna be competitive your gonna spend tons of money hands down. Its as simple as that.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 01:37PM
The class is fine, ever thought people are waiting in parts or trying to finish up in the field? To many people have spent to much money for the rules to be changed now, if a guy wants to run a 466 a pump tractor heads up with the safety equiptment then load it up. It's still early, change the rules and the class will go to the wayside.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 01:52PM
Maybe they need to change the pro farm class to this and make the weight 8500-9500LB.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 01:57PM
Maybe we don't need to change nothing. We all have spent and worked to hard for someone to come in and screw our class up. If you don't like it the way it is, sorry.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 02:47PM
Tell the A pumps to bring it on, they can't beat any P pump tractor, you might have 15 or 20 tractors in the class and make the purse on how many is in the class, it could be $1000.00 to 1500.00+ a nite, that would be nice to take there money, Binder have you ever had any A pumps beat you.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 02, 2014 03:37PM
You don't know what the $#^% your talking about. If an a- pump can fuel a 3000 rpm 466 cid and beat P-pumps, its not nessasarely the pump deal. Could have something to do with the cam and cyl head and somebody knowing how to make it all work togather. You key board pullers need to poast your names , don't have a clue what your afraid of. Dixie . OH im sorry Lanny Highbaugh.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 04, 2014 12:34PM
Ya gotta read all the rules not just what you want to see.
Me thinks rule number 27 will answer the turbo rule
Dane & Nick Pickerell





2014 10,000 Hot Farm Tractors
1. Air shutoff - Vehicle must have a cable operated engine air intake shut off device. Device cannot be a butterfly type and must be spring loaded. Cable must be located approximately 4 feet above the point of hook and within 6 inches of center of vehicle. Device must prevent the engine from building boost. The sled requires a 2 inch ring or equivalent be attached at the end of cable. Mount cable in clear view with no obstructions. One must be within drivers reach as well when strapped in seat.
2. Brakes - All tractors must have working rear brakes capable of sliding each rear wheel.
3. Clutch – All tractors must have a steel or an SFI approved flywheel and an approved blanket.
4. Cubic inch - 470 cubic inch maximum. There will be a 1% tolerance on all engine measurements.
5. Cooling Fans - All cooling fans will be electric operated. No factory metal blades on water pump.
6. Chassis - Maximum of 114 inch wheel base unless originally produced with a longer wheelbase at which point the wheelbase will remain stock. Maximum length of 13 feet from center of rear axle to forward most point of tractor excluding front hitch.
7. Dump Valve- A 3 way fuel dump bypass valve is required ahead of the injection pump. This valve is to be operated by a cable within the drivers reach when strapped in seat.
8. Drawbar - Must be a minimum of 18 inches behind center of rear axle. A maximum of 20 inches in height, and be ridged in all directions. Hitching eye to be a minimum of 1 inch thick and a maximum of 2 inches thick with a 3” x3.75” inside diameter hole. All hitches must pass tech inspection for safety.
9. Engine - OEM stock block, head, intake manifold & exhaust manifold must be for make and model of vehicle being entered. No aftermarket components allowed.
10. Fire Extinguisher - Vehicle must be equipped with a minimum of a 2.5 lb dry type or a 2 lb halon type fire extinguisher that must be located within easy drivers reach. Must be fully charged and have a working gauge.
11. Fenders - All tractors will have fenders and must support weight of driver. Top of fender must extend no less 6 inches over the top of tires.
12. Floorboards - All tractors must be equipped with a floorboard, that is at least 0.060” thick and must be steel or aluminum.
13. Fuel Pumps - Rotary, A pump (no larger than 14mm for the A pump), P pump of 13 mm plungers (for P pump only) or smaller (P3000 or P7100; no P 8600) Only one plunger per cylinder. Throttle stop must be on the pump.
14. Fuel - Diesel fuel only. No compressed gases of any kind allowed as additive. Must pass Styrofoam cup test. Random fuel checks can be completed by cup test or dialect test with a reading of maximum of 5.
15. Neutral Start - VEHICLES MUST NOT START IN GEAR!!!!
16. Personal Safety Equipment - Driver must wear a helmet, wear a complete fire suit, neck collar and leather shoes.
17. Roll cages - All tractors will be equipped with an approved roll cage.
18. RPM - 3000 rpm maximum, with 100 rpm tolerance. Must have magnetic tape on balancer or on flywheel. Also vehicle must have an ISPRO #019R8906 magnetic pickup attached to the front of the engine to measure engine RPM’s. The lead from the pickup to the rear of the vehicle is to be made of 14-16 gauge wire extension cord with a molded 110V, 3 prong female electrical outlet. This 110V plug needs to be mounted next to the rear mounted air shutoff cable. Wire must be one (1) continuous wire outside the frame rails and visible. NO SPLICES!! . Each tractor will get one no read per season on RPM box, the second time the tractor will be disqualified. When rpm box does not read the tractor will checked by hand tact for that one no read.
19. Sheet Metal - All tractors are to look standard for its year make and model in appearance. All major factory sheet metal is required.
20. Stabilizer Bars - Stabilizer bars are required (no wheels allowed). The stabilizer bars cannot be welded or bolted to the hitch in any way. The stabilizer bar must extend a minimum of 32 inches rearward from the center of the rear axle. The skid pad cannot be more than 10 inches off the ground. The skid pad must be a minimum of 5”x 5” square. A minimum of 20 inches is allowed between the 2 skid pads. No cross bars are allowed on the stabilizer bars behind the hook point. In addition to the stabilizer bars, the vehicle must have a brace that extends vertically 12 inches from the rear most tip of skid pads. There must be support brace extending inward to frame, axle or top of stabilizer bars. Design and material used must with stand impact of sled and support the weight of tractor. Vertical brace should extent rearward a minimum of 2” from radius of rear tire.
21. Seat belts - 5 point harness is required.
22. Shields - Side shields are mandatory on both sides of the engine and cover the entire engine. Either aluminum or steel not less than 0.060” thick. There must be a fire wall that separates the operator from the engine compartment with no hole more than ½ inch in diameter for controls to pass through. A 0.060” thick or .120” thick aluminum must run between frame and under the harmonic balancer to prevent loss of harmonic balancer from tractor.
23. Tie Bars – Tie bars are mandatory on all tractors.
24. Tire Size - 20.8- 38 NO CUT TIRES ALLOWED.
25. Throttle - Throttle lever must have a double spring installed such that if the throttle lever is released, the engine will return to idle. Throttle must function such that moving the throttle lever forward, increases the engine speed.
26. Tube Frame and Front End - Aftermarket frames and front ends are allowed and must support the weight of tractor. Ski bars are mandatory on all tractors
27. Turbo - Single turbo with 3 inch maximum diameter of the intake inlet. Bushings may be used, but must be permanent. Compressor wheel must enter into the compressor housing. 0.200 Map width enhancement grooves allowed. NO restriction on exhaust wheel size. Measurement of the inlet will be done by using 3.000 plug or internal calipers measured at the front face of the wheel. Two 3/8” bolts in a cross pattern must be welded in the exhaust pipe, no curve exhaust allowed. 2014: Turbocharger Rule: One turbo charger of any size.
28. Diesel fuel only. No compressed gases of any kind allowed as additive. Must pass Styrofoam cup test. Random fuel checks can be completed by cup test or dialect test with a reading of maximum of 5.
29. Water injection - Water injection is allowed with water and pump lubrication only. Water may contain crop oil or water soluble oil. WATER MUST FREEZE ROCK SOLID or pass any other test the KTPA board implements.
30. Intercoolers - NO INTERCOOLERS, AFTERCOOLERS OR ICE BOXES of any shape or form allowed in the air intake system of any tractor.
31. Wheel Hubs - Must be steel weld on hubs or heavy duty clamp on hubs. No cast iron.
32. Protest - The protest for engine measurements will be $1000, the tech official performing the protest will receive $100 and $900 will go to the person in the right. See the Protest Procedure section for people that will be allowed to be present during protest, rule number 4.
33. Drop Pull – The first puller is allowed to drop their hook and may return right then or last.
34. Purse - 10,000 Hot Farm Tractors $450-325-225-125-100-75-50-50 ($1400 Total
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 03:33PM
Why not just change your pro farm, and come run hot farm.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 29, 2014 11:08PM
When we were still running the A-pump,we beat P-pump tractors sometimes.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 01:06AM
That means it could be a good change then, both tractors are kind of close with the P pump having the advantage it sounds like, more tractors just makes everyone have more fun instead of the same 3 or 4 of you or less winning all the time, tons more winnings and the class won't fade out in time, including the pro farm to, this could work in both classes.Don't forget the trucks are taking over everywhere in Ky.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 04:45AM
Some of you boys better check what's available outside the state of Kentucky. A 540 a pump tractor with same charger will mop a p 466
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 05:16AM
Right,I dont have a problem with the pump. Its the cubic inch deal that aint gonna float.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 06:00AM
An A pump 466 can't beat a P, If a A pump with big cubes is so great, why does everyone want to use a P, it would make more sense and much cheaper to go with big cubes and a A pump then, why waste all the big money building a big time 466-470 engine that you can only pull in Ky.to win, if BOB or ktpa goes out your back to the drawing board, they want you to do it there way so you don't go any place else, but if they only have 4-6 tractors it won't take long to they cant afford to have the class, BOB could go anyday, it's happen before with them. All you can do is have a test nite against them (A), advertise and get some and try, USA pulling assoc.changed there rules and it worked, they have a big block and a small block hot farm. Also you could put A and P tractors in the same class but let the A's and P's pull against each other and it would fill the field, break it into to 2 groups but pull at the same time, Do you think NBC is going to come back to BOB when they have said they have in 20 in each class, I,m only trying to help your situation.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 06:47AM
We just put a 640 cubic JD A pump engine on the dyno last week with the same turbo you use and it made 1059 HP.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 02, 2014 02:46PM
Sounds to me like your cylinder head and cam sucks, lmfao
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 06:52AM
Lets get one thing straight here. With KTPA the pullers make the rules,not like BOB,WHO MAKES THE RULES FOR THE PULLERS. Also year before last we beat the p-pumps several times with a super good a-pump. What I am getting at is its hard to beat cubic inches. also we have been having pretty good numbers of hot farms at the KTPA pulls. Bob can do what they like but its the pullers over on this side
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 07:45AM
Dixie is right. You can spend $7500 on an a pump and it will compete with a 13mm p pump at 466 cubes. if you allow bigger cubes for a pumps you will have big problems in no time for sure. Point blank there is no cheap alternative to running against the 466 P's with an a pump Winking
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 08:13AM
I'm with lanny 100% !!!! Our rules are fine just as they are, thanks but no thanks for trying to help out our "situation " !!!! We've worked hard as a group to get our class to where it is today and we don't need to ruin it now ! I would love to see who is for trying to change our rules please grow a pair and post your name with your post and quit hiding behind your keyboard. Don't fix it if it ain't broke !!!! We got a great class leave it alone .


Corey Prewitt
502-460-7472
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 09:24AM
Well said Corey.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 01:15PM
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Dixie Binder
Well said Corey.
Yup
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 01:23PM
Our A pump $13,000 dollar tractor, with 34 c.i.d. too many had everyone in the hot farm class scratching their head , wondering what we would come up with next.
It won't be long now .We will see what the 470 has to offer.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 30, 2014 02:17PM
CANT WAIT, BET ITS GONNA BE A BAD @$$.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change May 31, 2014 10:22AM
Glad that ur finally bout the get the white done, I think it will be a great addition to our class good luck with it nick !!!!!
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 01, 2014 12:15PM
When was this class last pumped to check cubic Inch? If you don't care enough about the class to atleast check your members engines then don't be harping on a person for trying to help get the attendance up.

And from what I read if this corey prewit is the spoksman for your class, then best of luck to you. Light Pro and Super Farm make it work when they hook together, I'm sure if the level headed members in BOB came together they could come up with some way to incorporate this new class.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 01, 2014 11:23PM
If you dont like our way,thats fine . Go start your own class to suit yourself.
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 04, 2014 03:54AM
I never said I was the spokesman for our class, or any class for that matter I am merely a puller just like the rest of the guys that pull with us, but I have every right to voice my opinion especially when what you are suggesting could potenially ruin everything we have worked so hard to get going the last ten years.


Here is my opinion for you!! There are plenty of big motor classes across the state of ky, In., Tenn, they all have superfarm, limited prostock, and open farm/hotfarm classes for big cube motors !!!! And your prescious BOB that you keep bring up runs an open hotfarm at some pulls. If you don't like our rules, pick one of those classes and go run with the rest of the big motor tractor. Quit trying to make us change our rules to fit your tractor, pick a class to pull with and make your tractor fit the set of rules for that particular class!!!!


Corey Prewitt
502-460-7472
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 02, 2014 03:42PM
YOU BET
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 04, 2014 08:41AM
can i run a m & w pump and just what the hell is the turbo rule
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 04, 2014 12:06PM
KTPA rules state . 2014 turbo charger rule: one turbo charger of any size
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Re: Opinions on Ky Hot Farm Rule Change June 04, 2014 12:38PM
Ya gotta read all the rules not just what you want to see.
Me thinks rule number 27 will answer the turbo rule
Dane & Nick Pickerell





2014 10,000 Hot Farm Tractors
1. Air shutoff - Vehicle must have a cable operated engine air intake shut off device. Device cannot be a butterfly type and must be spring loaded. Cable must be located approximately 4 feet above the point of hook and within 6 inches of center of vehicle. Device must prevent the engine from building boost. The sled requires a 2 inch ring or equivalent be attached at the end of cable. Mount cable in clear view with no obstructions. One must be within drivers reach as well when strapped in seat.
2. Brakes - All tractors must have working rear brakes capable of sliding each rear wheel.
3. Clutch – All tractors must have a steel or an SFI approved flywheel and an approved blanket.
4. Cubic inch - 470 cubic inch maximum. There will be a 1% tolerance on all engine measurements.
5. Cooling Fans - All cooling fans will be electric operated. No factory metal blades on water pump.
6. Chassis - Maximum of 114 inch wheel base unless originally produced with a longer wheelbase at which point the wheelbase will remain stock. Maximum length of 13 feet from center of rear axle to forward most point of tractor excluding front hitch.
7. Dump Valve- A 3 way fuel dump bypass valve is required ahead of the injection pump. This valve is to be operated by a cable within the drivers reach when strapped in seat.
8. Drawbar - Must be a minimum of 18 inches behind center of rear axle. A maximum of 20 inches in height, and be ridged in all directions. Hitching eye to be a minimum of 1 inch thick and a maximum of 2 inches thick with a 3” x3.75” inside diameter hole. All hitches must pass tech inspection for safety.
9. Engine - OEM stock block, head, intake manifold & exhaust manifold must be for make and model of vehicle being entered. No aftermarket components allowed.
10. Fire Extinguisher - Vehicle must be equipped with a minimum of a 2.5 lb dry type or a 2 lb halon type fire extinguisher that must be located within easy drivers reach. Must be fully charged and have a working gauge.
11. Fenders - All tractors will have fenders and must support weight of driver. Top of fender must extend no less 6 inches over the top of tires.
12. Floorboards - All tractors must be equipped with a floorboard, that is at least 0.060” thick and must be steel or aluminum.
13. Fuel Pumps - Rotary, A pump (no larger than 14mm for the A pump), P pump of 13 mm plungers (for P pump only) or smaller (P3000 or P7100; no P 8600) Only one plunger per cylinder. Throttle stop must be on the pump.
14. Fuel - Diesel fuel only. No compressed gases of any kind allowed as additive. Must pass Styrofoam cup test. Random fuel checks can be completed by cup test or dialect test with a reading of maximum of 5.
15. Neutral Start - VEHICLES MUST NOT START IN GEAR!!!!
16. Personal Safety Equipment - Driver must wear a helmet, wear a complete fire suit, neck collar and leather shoes.
17. Roll cages - All tractors will be equipped with an approved roll cage.
18. RPM - 3000 rpm maximum, with 100 rpm tolerance. Must have magnetic tape on balancer or on flywheel. Also vehicle must have an ISPRO #019R8906 magnetic pickup attached to the front of the engine to measure engine RPM’s. The lead from the pickup to the rear of the vehicle is to be made of 14-16 gauge wire extension cord with a molded 110V, 3 prong female electrical outlet. This 110V plug needs to be mounted next to the rear mounted air shutoff cable. Wire must be one (1) continuous wire outside the frame rails and visible. NO SPLICES!! . Each tractor will get one no read per season on RPM box, the second time the tractor will be disqualified. When rpm box does not read the tractor will checked by hand tact for that one no read.
19. Sheet Metal - All tractors are to look standard for its year make and model in appearance. All major factory sheet metal is required.
20. Stabilizer Bars - Stabilizer bars are required (no wheels allowed). The stabilizer bars cannot be welded or bolted to the hitch in any way. The stabilizer bar must extend a minimum of 32 inches rearward from the center of the rear axle. The skid pad cannot be more than 10 inches off the ground. The skid pad must be a minimum of 5”x 5” square. A minimum of 20 inches is allowed between the 2 skid pads. No cross bars are allowed on the stabilizer bars behind the hook point. In addition to the stabilizer bars, the vehicle must have a brace that extends vertically 12 inches from the rear most tip of skid pads. There must be support brace extending inward to frame, axle or top of stabilizer bars. Design and material used must with stand impact of sled and support the weight of tractor. Vertical brace should extent rearward a minimum of 2” from radius of rear tire.
21. Seat belts - 5 point harness is required.
22. Shields - Side shields are mandatory on both sides of the engine and cover the entire engine. Either aluminum or steel not less than 0.060” thick. There must be a fire wall that separates the operator from the engine compartment with no hole more than ½ inch in diameter for controls to pass through. A 0.060” thick or .120” thick aluminum must run between frame and under the harmonic balancer to prevent loss of harmonic balancer from tractor.
23. Tie Bars – Tie bars are mandatory on all tractors.
24. Tire Size - 20.8- 38 NO CUT TIRES ALLOWED.
25. Throttle - Throttle lever must have a double spring installed such that if the throttle lever is released, the engine will return to idle. Throttle must function such that moving the throttle lever forward, increases the engine speed.
26. Tube Frame and Front End - Aftermarket frames and front ends are allowed and must support the weight of tractor. Ski bars are mandatory on all tractors
27. Turbo - Single turbo with 3 inch maximum diameter of the intake inlet. Bushings may be used, but must be permanent. Compressor wheel must enter into the compressor housing. 0.200 Map width enhancement grooves allowed. NO restriction on exhaust wheel size. Measurement of the inlet will be done by using 3.000 plug or internal calipers measured at the front face of the wheel. Two 3/8” bolts in a cross pattern must be welded in the exhaust pipe, no curve exhaust allowed. 2014: Turbocharger Rule: One turbo charger of any size.
28. Diesel fuel only. No compressed gases of any kind allowed as additive. Must pass Styrofoam cup test. Random fuel checks can be completed by cup test or dialect test with a reading of maximum of 5.
29. Water injection - Water injection is allowed with water and pump lubrication only. Water may contain crop oil or water soluble oil. WATER MUST FREEZE ROCK SOLID or pass any other test the KTPA board implements.
30. Intercoolers - NO INTERCOOLERS, AFTERCOOLERS OR ICE BOXES of any shape or form allowed in the air intake system of any tractor.
31. Wheel Hubs - Must be steel weld on hubs or heavy duty clamp on hubs. No cast iron.
32. Protest - The protest for engine measurements will be $1000, the tech official performing the protest will receive $100 and $900 will go to the person in the right. See the Protest Procedure section for people that will be allowed to be present during protest, rule number 4.
33. Drop Pull – The first puller is allowed to drop their hook and may return right then or last.
34. Purse - 10,000 Hot Farm Tractors $450-325-225-125-100-75-50-50 ($1400 Total
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