Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 28, 2014 03:53PM
It’s time NTPA made the Light Pro Stock class a full-fledged Grand National class. In 5 years, it has grown to the point where there are now sufficient numbers and geographical coverage to justify it as a GN level division.

The organization would need to avoid the temptation to overschedule it, but there should be no problem getting 10 vehicles to precommit. There have been 58 different Light Pros hook to the sled at an NTPA or Member State pull this summer. Also, OSTPA and Indiana Pulling League have a couple more that hook in their Light/Limited Pro combo classes. Don’t forget the east coast guys, as the Interstate Mod Turbo guys have occasionally ran in the class as well even though their rules put them at a slight disadvantage. If Bowling Green adds a Thursday night session, they could accommodate the class and would easily get 40+ vehicles.

Here is a list of drivers/vehicles that have hooked so far this summer:


UPOC

1. Ron Beasley Moncure, NC Farmall Fever IH
2. Kendall Beasley Clayton, NC Hi Gear Harvester IH
3. Dewey Jones Hoss
4. Brandon Branch Farm Boys Toy
5. Sarah Walters Movin’ Dirt
6. Mark Garrett (no name)

WTPA

7. Kurt Afdahl Hammond, WI Weekend Mistress
8. Duane Bauer Marshfield, WI Beaver Hunter Reloaded
9. Rick Gnewikow Tomah, WI IH
10. Mike Goodwin Glenwood City , WI Case MX 155
11. Justin Nagel Leroy, MN Stray Horse
12. John Peffer Eagle, WI 100 Yard Dash
13. Dan Schullo Cumberland, WI Entertainer II
14. Travis Schullo Cumberland, WI Entertainer I
15. Frank Shaffer Stratford, WI Crazy Horse
16. Frank Shaffer Stratford, WI 504 Smokin' Rocket

HSTPA/Reg. II

17. Kolt Andreas Sugarcreek, OH High Gear IH
18. Dave Armstrong Wilmington, OH Rowdy Red IH
19. Jay Arthur Dover, KY Bluegrass Buck JD
20. Larry Black Camden, OH Endless Torment IH
21. Kenny Bryan Jamestown, OH Allis Challenger AC
22. Bob Campbell Rossburg, OH Green Gangster JD
23. Brian Cosler Wilmington, OH All In JD
24. Matt Doud Akron, IN International Disaster IH
25. Matt Durbin New Philadelphia, OH Side Winder IH
26. Roger Earley Sabina, OH All Business IH
27. Justin Fleck Minster, OH IH Crazy IH
28. Jason Fliehman Eaton, OH Second Chances JD
29. Jeffrey Fussner Milroy, IN Busted Budget IH
30. Dru Gilliland Mt. Sterling, OH Load the Wagon IH
31. Travis Harra Waterford, OH Turbodacious IH
32. Rick Heffelfinger Jeromesville, OH Wolf IH
33. Matt Holland Milroy, IN Black Tornado JD
34. Scott Hollingsworth Bloomington, IN NH
35. Gary Holman Fostoria, OH Power Hound IH
36. Zach Howell Greentown, IN NH
37. Greg Lamb Madison, IN Black Viper JD
38. Matthew Meadows Tollesboro, KY Relentless IH
39. Joe Moore Three Oaks, MI Dirty Deeds IH
40. Jared Nussbaum Berne, IN Gutless General AC
41. Caleb Ogle Strasburg, IL Red Light District IH
42. Phil Overdorf Tipton, IN Mean Ole Allis AC
43. Brad Overmyer Monterey, IN Bad Company IH
44. Mike Palmer Greenville, OH Country Classic IH
45. Mike Palmer Greenville, OH Red Avenger IH
46. Terry Shafer Glenford, OH Bad Company IH
47. Thomas Shafer Glenford, OH Boss IH
48. Tim Shanahan
49. Henry E. Smith Blissfield, MI Slow Ride IH
50. Kevin Smith Alvada, OH JD
51. Wes Spencer Greenville, OH Bush Wacker IH
52. Brian Stroud Midland, OH Never-A-Nuff JD
53. Kevin Summers South Solon, OH Buckshot Binder IH
54. Shawn Thornhill Greenville, OH Cashed Out IH
55. Travis Tilton Belleville, OH Always $omethin' IH
56. Scott Webb Beverly, OH Ragin' Red IH
57. Mark Wiederhold Clarksville, OH Bare Necessities JD
58. Kyle Woodruff Sabina, OH Strictly Business IH
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 28, 2014 04:44PM
No way!
RN is plenty far enough for such a limited power class.
I think single engine mods on 18.4 tires and single 4 barrel carb on gas should be a GN class.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 28, 2014 04:53PM
hate to tell ya negatory but superfarm is GN and light pros will spank a sf. way more power and better running
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 12:45AM
I don't understand the point of a limited pro stock class. Isn't that what the super farm class is? It was created as a limited power and cheaper class to pull in than the pro stock. I would like to see some organization to run a pro stock class with only ag tractors run instead of components. Pro stock is not what it use to be with seeing pullers build Minneapolis Moline with a John Deere engine.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 12:59AM
Light PS is much better than SF because they have the chance to have more color in the class, make tons more power and they put on a great show. I agree NTPA should note over book this class or it will be like all the classes they have ruined by overbooking. 12 to 15 hooks a year at the GN level. This class will replace DSS in a couple years.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 02:31AM
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I don't understand the point of a limited pro stock class. Isn't that what the super farm class is? It was created as a limited power and cheaper class to pull in than the pro stock. I would like to see some organization to run a pro stock class with only ag tractors run instead of components. Pro stock is not what it use to be with seeing pullers build Minneapolis Moline with a John Deere engine.

You are confusing limited pro with light pro. Light pro has no turbo size rule. A puller can run whatever size turbo they want. From that standpoint it is much more like a pro stock than a super farm.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 02:36AM
I think Outlaws let's these guys run against there LSS class with 200 extra pounds. Correct? Aren't Barn Buddy, Grand River Deere, Wildfire, etc. the same thing as Light Pros?
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 04:40AM
what are differences cubes,turbos,etc
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 04:47AM
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Mark
what are differences cubes,turbos,etc

540 ci max, any size turbo. At some point i expect components to be allowed but think its ag chassis only now.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 30, 2014 02:37AM
can 540s run a intercooler? why not run 540 any turbo with 640 4.1 limit
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HEY WIEDIE!!!! SURELY YOU HAVE AN EDUCATED OPINION ON THIS July 29, 2014 11:22AM
This class in no way shape or form needs to be on the GN. Count up just how many on that list are from Ohio alone, then start adding up how many are from Ohio and south of 70. They are already pissed off at the amount of running WPI creates, notice you only have 5 at some event and as many as 32 at The Fort. They are happy on the Region.
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Re: HEY WIEDIE!!!! SURELY YOU HAVE AN EDUCATED OPINION ON THIS July 29, 2014 12:05PM
The thought of it replacing diesel superstocks at any level is highly unlikely!
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Re: HEY WIEDIE!!!! SURELY YOU HAVE AN EDUCATED OPINION ON THIS July 29, 2014 02:09PM
if you haven't noticed there are no more diesel supers being built and only a few show up at the ntpa events. ppl doesn't even run them and there are 50 lite pros and the class is only 5 years old. most pullers are going either alcohol or lite pro
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Re: HEY WIEDIE!!!! SURELY YOU HAVE AN EDUCATED OPINION ON THIS July 29, 2014 03:01PM
That's a great observation. Name the 50 Light pros
and then name 10 Alky Supers built in the last 5 years.

Since most diesel super guys are switching:

Name 5!!!

I do agree the diesel super class has issues.
So does Pro Stock. So does lite unlimited so
does super farm etc etc.

Top level of any sport has good years and bad years.

Here are my thoughts.

The payouts have to be better. A better proportion
than they are now. If Full Pull Productions can pay $1000
To win a local fair pull way out from the "heartland".
why can't ECS or Ohio State or NTPA regional???

Light pros is an excellent class. It's pro stock 1992.
Why no unified rules?? We have a pumps (stupid)
P pumps. 640 540 4.1 and unlimited turbo!!
Get 1 class started here.

DSS solution?
Weigh 8000 pounds and have at it with stock block. Diesel fuel and 3-4 turbos only.
Recast block favors IH. Cubic inch limit favors IH etc.
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Re: HEY WIEDIE!!!! SURELY YOU HAVE AN EDUCATED OPINION ON THIS July 29, 2014 03:51PM
I don't even know where to start, you soooooo lost. If you look at the first post of this thread you will see the list of 56 Lt Prostocks. I think the problem with your post is you don't even know what the Lt. Prostock class is. There are uniform rules. 540, p pump 8500lbs, any turbo,ag rearends. You are mixing all the 540, 640 together, they are not the same class. Ntpa did a great job writing sensible rules for the class. Ntpa started this class to fill in for the low numbers in there diesel fuel classes. Top classes do not have good years and bad years, if you look at the list of diesel pullers through the years you , yes even you, will notice the numbers are lower every year for the diesel super stock both at the national level and even more alarmingly the state level. There is no growth in the diesel class.
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Re: HEY WIEDIE!!!! SURELY YOU HAVE AN EDUCATED OPINION ON THIS August 02, 2014 02:39AM
Buckeye 79 since you know soo much about this class enlighten me as to what is the make model and name of your tractor and how has it been running and placing in the results also how much did it cost to build it?
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 29, 2014 04:40PM
I am curious as to how much less money is needed to build a Light Pro Stock than a Super Stock Diesel? Also why have a lighter class? I know many of the longtime SSD pullers would weigh there tractors up to 12,200lb. Why don't they just play with the Pro Stocks? If they want a class with only ag rearends why don't they just have it do that all component tractors must pull in Super Stock Open?
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 30, 2014 01:58AM
and why not have all the blown motors hook in the mod class
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 30, 2014 02:30AM
The problem is also that Super Stocks are expensive. Especially on the grand national level. I know one puller that had a 3688 Super Stock that won at Bowling Green years ago. He got out of it because it was expensive. But is 8500lb really the weight to have for a light class? I know some Pro Stocks could make the 8000lb weight limit and pull in Super Stock. I can understand the dwindling numbers but seeing the Gettinger's old SSD pull in Light Pro I wonder if the costs are the issue.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class July 30, 2014 06:07AM
I think your comment about Gettinger's old chassis answers at least part of your question. If you look at the class, there are are quite a few former full-on pro/super stock cast chassis that have be re-purposed for this class. On the other side, there are also a lot of brush tractors that have been built up to the class. Getting into a class that has good rules and a bigger shows is easier when you are 80% there and I think that is what the draw of Lt Pro and why it continues to grow, not so much because it is 'cheaper.'



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2014 06:40AM by MH49.
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Price of a light pro August 01, 2014 04:11AM
If you buy the parts to build a top of the line light pro and assemble it yourself you are probably going to be right at 115,000.00 into one. If you go to a reputable builder and have them build one for you, I doubt you touch one for less than 200,000.00 brand new, if you pay someone else to do all the work. The only limiting factor in this class anymore is the P-Pump, there are aftermarket heads out there. WPI in one of their bone-head moves, when the class first started, refused to define OEM Type, so now their are Hypermax Heads, Himes Heads, GMS Heads, REI Heads. They also refused to put a turbo restriction on the class. It was brought up at the fall meetings, when the class first started to limit the class to a 4.25 Compressor Wheel and the 4.4 G Trim Exhaust wheel. WPI argued this would be to hard to police, (Never mind the fact that every superfarm turbo that is on an NTPA vehicle, is sealed) So it was just an excuse not to make sensible rules. The class was out of control price wise before it ever left the starting line.
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Didn't add a block for all those parts August 01, 2014 09:21PM
5-15k 15k for the Hyper Block. So say 145-155k in parts
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class August 01, 2014 05:23AM
U put limits on the class it never would be this big!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class August 01, 2014 06:30AM
I have to agree with that. I love watching the class online, I just wish it was around my area
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class August 01, 2014 07:17AM
Why would WTPA go with different rules than NTPA. The NTPA rules are unlimited turbo and it seems to be working real good. If your gona run Light PS then everyones rules need to be the same.If you can't afford to be in the class choose a class the fits your budget.
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Put limits on a class it wouldn't be as big???? August 01, 2014 07:59AM
Ok peckerwood, explain 60+ SF at BG? The idea of this class was to be something more economical yet more hp than a SF. Minus the component chassis, this class cost is very comparable in price to PS.
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Re: Put limits on a class it wouldn't be as big???? August 01, 2014 10:20AM
Thats Mr. Peckerwood to you. Show me where this class was designed, offered, advertised as a cheaper class than SF. When an organization writes rules for a class they don't say "this class will be cheaper than the class it will replace". Like any class in tractor pulling you can spend all the money you want. The class was designed to offer the pullers another class to pull a diesel tractor with more sensible cubic in rules, hence more color in the class.It was also was designed for the Ag chassis PS,old DSS and SF that wanted a class to hook in. For the not so bright, if a SF is making 1300 HP and a Lt PS is making 2100 HP it will cost more. And if you haven't noticed SF is in a death spiral.
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Re: Put limits on a class it wouldn't be as big???? August 01, 2014 11:36AM
Well said.I don't think they cost near as much as a sf.you dont need a billet stroker crank for one.u dont need to go to the dyno to try to gain 10hp.the turbos are pretty close in price and r more durable.just my thoughts.we built one for a friend and he didn't have anywhere near a 100,000 grand in it.he did by a complete engine that only had a few runs on it.that helped quite a bit.you don't have to buy everything new all the time.just my thoughts.I really like the class.I wish it wld come closer to the Midwest.
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Mr. P, hope summer is treating you well! August 01, 2014 09:17PM
Mr. P,
Glad you took time out of your busy schedule to respond. If you are who I think you are, must be serious down time out on the road.
Several things-
-the guys at the top of this class are going to the dyno
- to the guy that asked why would you buy all new parts or think all new parts aren't necessary. Clearly you haven't a clue, why would you buy used parts to put in your tractor?
- the turbos are no where near close to the same in price, again the guys at the top running the ball bearing charger from CDS AT 10k a piece.
- if he has less than 100k in it, I doubt he is a top runner.
For the sake of conversation let's price one out, ground up.
Chassis-15k
Roll Cage-3k
Rearend and tranny-25k
Clutch, driveline, scatter blanket-7k
Turbo-10k
Pump-7k
Injectors and lines-4k
Rods-5k
Pistons, pins, rings-5k
Simpson water and vickers pump- 2k
Tanks and oil pan-2k
Data logger-3k
Lines and fittings-2k
Rear tires and rims-12k
Front tires rims- 1k
Top of the line head with valves, rocker arms, pushrods, intake and exhaust manifold-22k
Lifters and pushrods-3k
Turbo plumbing and guillotine-2k
Cam-2k
Aviaid oil pump-2k
Counterbalanced crank-6k

Now that is 140,000.00 in parts if you do the assembly yourself. That also didn't include all the nickle and dime things that add up quick. Filtration system, we haven't put sheet metal or paint on it yet, reverse light, ignition to start it, starting fluid system. I also think I am probably low on some of my prices, I bet there are some guys running billet cranks at 11k a piece. 140k in parts if you do your own work. Pay someone to do it and you will be up over 200k fairly easy. My rearend price didn't include the guys running component parts in their JD rearend, that gets real pricey. I don't care though, this board is for entertainment, I don't even run in the Light Pro. I don't think you will see it supported at the GN level. A lot of the guys in the class have already been there and done that and chose this class to stay closer to home.
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Re: Mr. P, hope summer is treating you well! August 02, 2014 03:11AM
Ya your prices are way wrong..... because they are too high my god. If this is what you have in your light pro I feel bad for ya I hope you got some vaseline when you wrote the check oh wait my bad as you said in your previous statement you don't even pull this class so I guess you really don't know what it would cost or take to run this class ha... weird.
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Re: Light Pro Stock as a Grand National class August 10, 2014 04:49AM
Is it just me or is anyone else think the class is too heavy? Because I know some 10,000lb Pro Stock tractors use to be able to make weight and pull in the 8,000lb Super Stock class. I know this seems weird but I think if they want to run a light class have them weigh in at 5600lb like with light super.
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