04:23:09am, Saturday, May 18, 2024
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ESP LSS class
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concerned puller
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ESP is trying to make the rules in the LSS class so everyone can finish at 300 feet. How can you do that. Some guys have spent $200,000 and some guys $20,000, some guys have 3000 HP and some guys have 1000HP. There is no way to have everyone finish the same, maybe some guys need to update there tractors or hook in the Pro farm class with WNPFP. |
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yep
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This is one of the things that holds pulling back. You get some guys in the class that can't afford to compete so they want to limit everyone else so that they can. They need to find another class. If you can't afford to play, you don't play! It's just like buying a Porsche. If you can't afford one, you don't buy one. Those typs don't need to try to punish everybody else because they could afford to play. Hopefully ESP doesn't let this happen. |
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I don't have a dog in this? But how many would you have left in the class? If all the lower caste pullers go into another class? Not much of a show irony is that lower class will have more hooks |
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R
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Promoter, maybe you should attend a meeting. This topic was originally brought up at a directors meeting by the president who does not have a LSS. It did originate from promoters. If you are really a promoter were you satisfied with the LSS show at your event? I'm sure you were because your track was perfect. Perhaps you could get the other 98% of promoters together and teach them how to build a perfect track. I believe it is the promoters responsibility to build the track not ESP as they don't own any farm equipment or a water truck. |
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Puller two
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You Yep are not very smart there is no numbers in the lss class now if you add every tractor in ten states and put them together you would have just enough for a good class people with more monney than since ruins a class the class sucks |
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Yup
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That's the thing some of the guys don't actually listen in the meetings and just jump to assumptions. They don't want to change who is winning or the order they just want to shorten up the gap To make for a better light super stock show cause without fans there's no money no money there's no pull. It doesn't make for a good class when there is only two tractors out the gate at 340 then the rest are back at the 250 mark people don't wanna see that it gets boring to them and once fans start complaining to the promoter then the promoter can just drop that class and bring something else in. |
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Just sayin
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They did not say they were changing any rules. It was brought up bc promotors were asking about it. So it was just brought up to talk about to see what the membership thought about it. Then the person that was most against it brings up the same problem in the mod class now wants something to be done with the mod class but yet doesn't want to change the light class. |
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Just satin too
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As stated above this was brought up because some promotors asked if there was a way to bring the class closer together for a better show not to try and hold anyone back. Remember if the promoter does not book a class that class doesn't hook. I think the leaders ofESP are trying to keep a class with good vehicle numbers in place it doesn't make for a very good show when you have to stop 10 tractors at 200 or 250 feet to keep 2 tractors inside of 350. No one wants to give up anything but we need to remember this is state level pulling and we don't have 15 national level tractors that show up every hook |
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From the fans seat- the modified class is about to die unless you keep every mod tractor you have and add a few more. The math is easy to do- this past year 16 ESP mod hooks with 85 total tractors at those events; that equals an average of just over 5 modified tractors at each hook. Considering Langford and early season Alexander and Dansville hooks had NYTPA tractors bolstering the numbers, the rest of the year 6 of the other 12 hooks had 4 or less mods attending. When you only have 6 tractors regularly pulling and you have 2 or 3 break- the class is decimated. If I were a mod owner driver I would be more concerned with getting more mod tractors out regardless of strong or weak pullers, before promoters decide on a class with higher numbers to please the fans.
How about this solution from the fans for the Light Super Class- Set the sled so the average tractor can pull it 280 ft. and put down a nice run. Then if there are 3 or 4 newer higher HP tractors that pull it 300 or 320 or whatever the full pull mark is- Have a pull off. Isn't that where tractor pulling started and happens to be the name of this Forum? Probably you will keep a good size class with even more hooks counting pulloffs- fans happy, promoters happy. This allows the weaker tractor will get a chance to put down a good run. I know what the thought will be- all those extra runs on some tractors. Then owners- decide if you want to run Heavy SS or Light SS or both- your choice; but you give up nothing in how you have designed/ built/ bought your tractor and nobody is telling you to take off a turbo or some other thing to compete in the light class. |
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how you gona do that
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just how to you plan on closing the distance between the first and the last place tractor. Take up a collection and help the guys that don't want to spend any money to have them buy better parts. Some guys in the class have been doing the same thing year after year and there tractors still don't run. There is no way to change the distance in the class. |
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What promoters are complaining? The comading officers always say some promoters are complaing well who are they? And another thing esp needs to do that will even out the light class somewhat is build a dam track. A poor track as 98% of esps tracks are is the worst thing that you can do to a light class. |
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Hey promoter
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You said a MOUTHFULL! Kudos to you! That same thing happens in other states as well. Commanding officers need to shut up, because no promoter is complaining! |
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Questioning
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They were questioning it and asking if something could change. Not complaining. They just were asking if something could been done about. There is no need to jump down the commanders throat when all he was doing was relaying a message to the membership so there could be a discussion about it. |
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Hey promoter
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Well ok then what promoters were "QUESTIONING" it? |
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Questioning
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It doesn't matter who was asking about it. |
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Hey promoter
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It shouldn't matter at all since their name is "they". |
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Re: ??????
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Questioning
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It was not said which ones asked about it. It shouldn't matter who did anyways. |
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it should matter what promoter because in reality its a puller not a promoter who is complaining, Now call it a promoter problem to hide the identity of the puller complaining I say out the puller who has the problem. Not protect his identity |
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Ok promotor
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So your telling me you would like to go watch a light super class with one tractor at 350 one at 320 and the rest back at the 250 mark with no pulloffs? Are you going to pay 16 bucks a person to see one maybe two good classes? |
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As a paying fan if the same tractors return that were pulling the LSS class at the end of this season; I would pay for the 7 to 9 of the weaker tractors to pull from 260 to 300 ft.(not sure a couple of them have ever pulled that far yet- but I will be optimistic) and then the other 4 if they could pull the 300- 320 ft full pull line and come back for a pulloff. What is not a good deal to pay for is 3 mods total show up-- 1 pulls 300 ft, one has a hole in the side of one motor and running on only 2 manages 200 ft and the other one won't start. Using the tried and tested pull off can solve the LSS problem and allow everyone to have their chance and put down a good run. The class in trouble is the mods who if they don't borrow from NYTPA, the Grand National circuit, or Ohio can barely muster a class. The Mods are headed to having promoters and fans wonder why they were scheduled. If the ESP has a class in serious need of rescue it is the modified class not the LSS. |
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how you gona fix it
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well
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people keep saying the promoters want the class to run closer together, well how can you do that, what ideas does anyone have...none,,,none,,,there is NO way to make the weak tractors run with the strong ones, can't be done.i guesss you could handicap the guys that want to build top running tractors so the old stuff can keep up... there a bigger problem with the mod class, and there are SS that get beat by SF, it's called state level pulling. |
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Re: how you gona fix it
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Anonymous User
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Someone stated at the meeting and I totally agree with him. Every competition has a top guy, a middle guy, and back of the pack guy. The top guy has either worked their way up from the back of the pack or has a horse shoe up his a$$. The back of the pack guy is one that is just moving up and has just enough money to come play. The middle guy odiously is somewhere in between. This is called competition gentlemen.
FYI---There was also mention of 4-5 new alky tractors being built for the LSS class. |
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Hey promoter
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Again, you said a mouthful!!! |
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Registered: 07/13/2013 Posts: 76 |
As a hobby you can't expect too many people dropping the money to compete with Henry, David, Ben or Hootman caliber tractors. People seem to forget that 8 or so years ago the Lss class was dead until Haiers started showing up with the little 570 to fill out a class of Meeder, Hirsch, Shwab, and the ripperrrrrrrr. Since then it has become entertaining anyways. Mentioned above the real issue is the Mod class or lack there of. 6-8 mediocre Lss is way better than big money for 3 mods. Good thing for Duggan and Donny Telaak showing up. Oh and what happened to the twd trucks? That corner has been pretty quiet too. |
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Hey promoter
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Oh and what happened to the twd trucks? That corner has been pretty quiet too.[/quote]
They make enough noise on the track. They don't need to make any more here on this thread. |
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Re: ESP LSS class
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jeremy b
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How many are pullers and owners on this thread. |
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