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4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Is a 4 valve head an advantage on a tractor Will it drive a charger harder,or flow more air and where is it legal. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Truckin
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Diesel truck classes you can run them, never seen them in the tractor classes. I'm pretty sure that those type engines have the common rail fuel system I'm not sure how that would work out with no electronics. |
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But what about in a diesel tractor like a super farm? |
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webb
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This thread was never started to determine if a 4 valve head had an advantage over a 2 valve . It was started to cause a backlash of negative input against it .The real question has not been addressed . Was this engine legal and still is until the rules are changed again for 2015 . Anyone who says that they don't take effect until the first pull are nuts . bob and ktpa both passed and posted the 2015 rules . so how can anyone build a new tractor or truck if the rules can be scrapped at the first hook . The worst end result isn't the time and money I have spent but the loss of a friend and the division of the class . Shaun or E wasn't around when i wrote this post . to MR obvious I talk to the new owners 3 to 4 times a week . Logan is satisfied with his cob job . hope my spelling suits you . |
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Registered: 10/20/2014 Posts: 34 |
My neighbor had a 30 inch water pipe and he needed more volume. He figured out going with another same size pipe or going bigger Going 2 inches bigger was more than another same size pipe. I think if you go bigger valve than 2 smaller valves would be more of a advantage. |
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??????????
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It was legal three month ago with BOB when they had a rules meeting . Now that someone started to build one some pullers got scared and had rules changed |
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teddy wet the beddy
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Superfarm no no! Turbos to Small velocity will take a sh!t! Now the 5.9s in the trucks yeah or hot farm small tractor classes yeah gain about 40 more horse!
Now the 8.3s I've seen a lot of money spent on making a 24 valve head work on a 8.3 and is possible and makes very strong top end but bottom  Sucks! 3/3 is not enough turbo! INDY CYLINDER HEAD IS WHAT ANY ONE IS RUNNING IN SUPERFARM! Aluminum heads it's like bolting on 100 cubes of torque and hp! people need to get over the 24 valve heads they don't work like people think! A guy that I know Ted rixxxxx I hated pulling with him every one said he had a 24v head I spent a lot of money pulling against him finally got mad enough to protest yep an aluminum head! But the club I pulled in had to let him run that motor in his ford 8630 oh well just saying I've seen a 505 run with 640 are turbos were slotted 3/4 if this helps you! And if your in superfarm most all the guys running strong are using recast
head from hypermax wipeout enterprises castnars so |
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Registered: 10/20/2014 Posts: 34 |
What makes the aluminum head so good? |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
Still legal per BOB rules as of today? If it is true that is pretty dirty to change the rules after somebody already starts building one and has invested countless hours and thousands of dollars to try something different just because other pullers are afraid of what might could happen. To change already posted rules because of fear when things could just as easily run bad as they could run good and no one with one has proven it to be a big advantage and dominate things is both silly and unfair. I wonder if it is the Case IH or the Deere they are worried about? It is a shame you can't run decades old farm tractor parts on a pulling tractor because the tractor pullers are afraid of technology. |
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out of town puller
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sounds to me like there should be two irate pullers out there.it is a shame that in a time when numbers are down scared pullers keep newer technology out discouraging fresh blood from wanting to get started in the sport .its a sad day for tractor pulling! |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Hot farm
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The problem here is somebody is wanting to run a 4 valve head on a 3000 rpm,470 cu in, hot farm tractor with a 3 inch charger,no cut tires . The reason for the restrictings is to try keep this a class that is kinda affordable. Although the class has gotten out of hand,theres got to be a stopping point some wheres. This has been a good competative class with any tractor capable of winning on any giving night, and the fans really like it. Why try to change something that works. As far as I know,everybody is against the 4 valve head except the person building it. Whats next electronic fuel injection? Hot farm owners and drivers you better watch over your shoulder,or there wont be a hot farm class. |
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out of town puller
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Is the cost of a four valve setup more expensive? and wasn't the point that it was legal to start with, the rules were change after the build was started. Are you sure that everyone is again it or just some pullers. |
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hot farm
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Heard BOB has already out lawed it, KTPA hot farm meeting on this issue is coming from what I understand. Only place a 4 valve head is legal in on the diesel trucks, no tractor classes allow it no where. Also every owner and driver I have spoken to say they are against the 4 valve head. |
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Ebay
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KTA needs to get Ebay as a sponsor if he has a rig... I didn't know they were such a reputable source for heads (WITH VALVES!!!!) haha one thing is always a guarantee BOB seems a good source for pulloff drama. Let me go get popcorn while this gets heated more.
Oh for my two cents (not that it matter) 4 valves would clearly be an advantage... I wouldn't say anyone is scared just sounds like they want a fair class. |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
No I get mine from here [www.ptcpower.com] that way I can get my H5 turbos shipped with them and save money. |
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Corey Prewitt
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Great Ideal (common fuel system) it's legal to the way the rules are written right now !!!! |
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needing info
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The question still has not been answered!.Where in the pulling world is a 4 valve head able to run,beside a truck class .Or maybe it has NO WHERE! |
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Hot farm
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Diesel trucks is the only place. No tractor classes allow it , nowhere. |
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webb
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You must not have talked to everyone more don't care than are against it .what anybody else does anywhere else has no impact on ktpa they have enough integrity not to change the rules in the middle of the season because somebody whines thats why I'm here |
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Hot farm
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If I understand right the rules don't actually take effect until the first hook of the season.This head deal is pushing the envelope way to far, and has no place on hot farm tractors or any other tractor classes. Why hasent NTPA or PPL allowed it? |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
I believe there are already superfarms running 4V heads. Neither PPL or NTPA forbid them as long as they are a stock head, just checked PPL rules but my 2012 NTPA rulebook doesn't disallow them either. |
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webb
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T he rules meeting took place this winter . The board meeting was held the rules for all classes were accepted motioned and seconded .the reason for setting the rules early is so you can build without the fear of reprisal |
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Really sad that this all started from someone who doesnt have a tractor in the class. Even worse that others are so jealous of Kenny's accomplishments with pulling. |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
Wrong, 4 valve heads are allowed on most of the tractor classes in Europe. They can be used in Prostock, Superstock, and Farm stock provided they are a factory head and 4V is even mentioned as allowed in the ETPC rules. I know several years ago the Valtra pros were running 4 valve heads but they probably run some billet now. As for cost that is bogus a 4v head doesn't cost anymore at the bone yard than a 2V head and they are actually getting easier to come by as they still make new 4V heads but most 2v you have to get reman now as they don't make them anymore. Someday 2v heads will actually cost more because all the old stuff will be used up! It is just like the 426 AC motors they got too hard to find and too valuable to pull so the Detroits were allowed as a sub. There are 75hp tractors today running 4V heads. This isn't some radical high priced new technology, it has been common for 75+ years!! The Allisons in the Mod tractors are all 4 valve and they go clear back to the 30's! They don't dominate either so quit being afraid and grow up or maybe quit calling it hot farm and call it the antique class that it is if you won't let anything run newer than 20 years old! $5000 dollar Precision turbos and $10000 fuel systems are fine, but god forbid we let somebody run a $1500 factory cylinder head. |
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Tweedledum
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where can I find a brand new 4 valve head ready to bolt on my tractor for $1500. KTA can you get me one of those and guarantee me horsepower |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
Here you go, brand new [www.ebay.com] I can't guarantee more power though as since it hasn't been down the track how can it be known if it is an advantage or not? My suggestion is to spend your money to build it and then let your fellow pullers decide you can't because they are scared of what might happen before you even make your first pass. Honestly it is unlikely to make much power difference as the turbo is the limiting factor, but you might get a bit flatter power curve....maybe, who knows. They work ok on the trucks but they don't dominate so maybe no advantage at all. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2015 12:06PM by KTA. |
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funny
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If a tractor came with it it should run in any class you could say the rear rend had to match but if that rule was for everybody how many tractors would be left you can run p pumps, turbos, computers.and engines that didn't come on tractors but you cant run a head that did If it did come on guys antique or classic hot farm would be a good suggestion for a new name for the class or any class |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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just saying
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I belive KTA said boneyard I'm curious where you can find a new head 2 valve for 1500 |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
Not hard to come by, need one for your Case magnum they can be had brand new too [www.ebay.com]
Valves and all!! It is not expensive and it isn't hard so that is no excuse. |
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Ebay
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KTA needs to get Ebay as a sponsor if he has a rig... I didn't know they were such a reputable source for heads (WITH VALVES!!!!) haha one thing is always a guarantee BOB seems a good source for pulloff drama. Let me go get popcorn while this gets heated more.
Oh for my two cents (not that it matter) 4 valves would clearly be an advantage... I wouldn't say anyone is scared just sounds like they want a fair class. Meant to post at the bottom.... Sorry the microwave was going off and no one likes burnt popcorn |
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out of town puller
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sounds scared to me |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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webb
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I will give tom and kevin credit for trying to stick to the rules at first . by the time saterday rolled around the crying /complaining /threating not to pull forced them to cave.I am blown away that the BOB bunch and a couple of ktpa pullers are so terrified of a tractor that won't pull itself out of the shop yet (that is built by the current rules ) |
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Mr banks
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[www.bankspower.com]
Second paragraph . First, by using a cylinder head design with four valves per cylinder (two intake valves and two exhaust valves) maximum airflow can be obtained for a given bore diameter with less shrouding (flow restriction) by the cylinder wall. The cylinder head ports can also be aligned to promote maximum swirl within the cylinder for high combustion efficiency. Most importantly, a four-valve configuration allows the fuel injection nozzle to be positioned in the center of the combustion chamber for a symmetric fuel injection pattern directly down the centerline of the cylinder. This arrangement provides the most uniform fuel dispersion for combustion efficiency with a minimum of exhaust pollutants. Earlier designs with only two valves per cylinder did not allow such advantageous injector placement. |
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teacher
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A t least someone is doing their homework |
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3208
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Don't believe there was ever a 4-valve 3208 Cat engine. |
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Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
I doubt on a 3000rpm limited turbo a 4v head would be much advantage over a 2v. If it was unlimited turbo maybe but then again you only have a limited displacment engine to turn a bigger turbo so you would probably end up with a screamer with no lug, just like Teddy said. Banning things based off of being and avantage isn't fair. In that case all the Deere guys should bitch because the IH and others have cross flow cylinder heads, if you research that you should also find that is an advantage. Case tractors have longer rods, that is an advantage, need to outlaw those! The point is the rules are the rules and crying and complaining to change them after the fact is childish. I think the only solution is for all the pullers to pull the same tractor and whoever goes the furthest is the winner. If you don't do that then SOMEBODY is going to have an advantage and that is a fact! I guess the other option is anytime a tractor wins they have to take a 300lbs off for the rest of the year. That way there is no insentive to try to win as you will just be punished just like if you build something besides the same thing everybody else has you will be punished.
I hope Sascha shows up and can tell us if the 24V dominates europe especially in the turbo limited classes. I am also curious as to why the europeans are willing to embrace technology so many years before the Americans. Isn't America supposed to be a country of innovation? It is a shame the socialists have brain washed Americans to the point that anyone that innovates is punished, even if their innovations are failures they are still mocked and scorned for going against the grain and trying something besides the same old cookie cutter things that have been run for the last 40+ years. It is no wonder Obama got elected even tractor pullers apparently are socialists! They believe that no one is entitled to anything diffrent than what they have and if someone has more it should be taken away and redistributed!! |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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Allen Powell
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I have not engaged in this mess before now. I'm surprised at all the childish things that have been said on here and yes Brian Block or KTA a case has a longer rod than deer but IH is longer too .If anyone wants to talk civil about this subject they can call me at 502-817-6981 or I will give my address for a meeting. Brian you sure want to keep it stirred up, and people do not be afraid of putting your name on here .I'm tired of the lies that is being told call me get the information that I know direct.
My name is Allen Powell and I approve this message. |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
I hope the lie is that the rules are getting changed AFTER they were made and published and after some pullers have spent the money and time to build per the rules and now the rules might be changed after they were already voted on and set. Why have rules at all if you are just randomly going to change them? Doing that is nothing but an F-You to the pullers that are effected. I say that any organization that would change the rules after the fact on the only grounds that some pullers complained and not a proven competitive advantage is spineless and worthless. If they will cave and change the rules at anytime why would anybody pull with them? Nothing to say several of the pullers wouldn't gang up and find something to outlaw your vehicle over. "We don't like what you are doing so screw you we will change the rules!!! " I am Brian Block and proud of the fact that if somebody beats me I look for away to do better myself rather than look for a way to eliminate my competition. |
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that guy
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go ahead and build your 24 valve head kenny and brian, no one in the BOB techs these tractors anyways.. hell Kenny you were running an illegal turbo and hot water all 2014 season and never got caught so who is gonna catch you now? exactly, point proven. brian you and Kenny sound a lot like the henry county crybabies, oh wait a minute, that's because your affiliated with the henry county crybabies! and don't tell me that these posts on this thread that support you and Kenny aren't written by shaun and Anthony. I agree with allen powell |
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webb
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my turbo was checked ever time i finished in the top three by BOB's tech man. my HX60 was the same HX60 that shawn knopp ran. so in your eyes mr. that guy there was two cheaters. to bring up the henry co deeres you must be getting your ass pounded by them. |
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class rep
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The HX60 is a legal turbo as of last yr and is still legal as of this yr. the rule last yr was 3in inlet with a slug as long as it was welded in and a open size on the exhaust outlet. This yr there has been a 3.6 exhaust outlet size put in the rules for some reason and the inlet remains the same with the slug option. The outlet size restriction was not discussed at the rules meeting and no one knew of it until the rules were released by the rule officials. So Kenny was legal last yr |
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Allen Powell
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This is my last repley Kenny is my friend and hopefully he still is attacking people with a computer is stupid ! Man up and call people out to there face .Shaun and Enos are my friend,also why drag them into something they don't have a dog in the fight. Once again sign your name to your post I,m told there will be a rules meeting april 11 at rising sun cosino any one wanting to address rules finialtion for 2015 please come. Cheak the BATTLE OF THE BLUEGRASS WEB SITE FOR DETAILS remember people this is supposed to be a fun hobby thanks Allen |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
An Aprill 11 rules meeting leaves less than a month till the first pull. Even now if the rules are changed makes it no way to be ready for the start of season. The fair thing to me since this is after the fact would be to leave the rules alone this year and see how it pans out and if during the season it turns out that 24V is some huge advantage then adjust weight or rpm's to even things out. This is kind of like what Gordyville does and even what BOB does with their Superstock/Limited Pro/Superfarm class. Now keep in mind Webbs old tractor won about 1 in 3 pulls and has some seasons won 50% or more so it would have to be doing better than that to really be a proven advantage. If the rules are changed and the 24V tractor isn't allowed to pull then it appears to me that it is less about keeping things competitive and more about a personal vendetta against a top competitor by costing them lots of time money and a pulling season. Nothing fun about that...... |
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Anonymous User
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I don't know how I got brought into this, but I did and at least I am man enough to put my name it.
And to "that guy" maybe you should take your panties off and grow a set and put your name on Anthony Mahoney. "Enis" |
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mr obvious
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dude enis you are the worst trash talker.. lol wow u need some lessons.. and the spelling in kennys post are just pathetic. and kta, ive met you, its no surprise that u hide behind the keyboard because u you speak of no intelligence when out in public. you guys must have absolutely nothing to do if you sit on this site all day. who is Kenny webb gonna sell this new cob job tractor to in a few years and screw over like he did those poor Kentucky boys with his old one? that was just horrible what he done to those boys. |
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Anonymous User
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I'm not trash talking just being honest
But what is obvious is that you are just as big of a p$$$$ as the rest!!!!!! |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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Corey Prewitt
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When did u build a hot farm tractor mr Kta don't think I've seen it !!!!!!! |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
You have seen plenty I have done work on building, there are several in KY, one in Illinois and 3 in PA and a couple in WI and those are just hot farms. |
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Corey Prewitt
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I know u are a mechanic, and sometime a tech man, which I also disagree with because I think anyone that is selling parts to the pullers and wrenching on their tractors should never be teching them too ! But that's a topic for a different thread. Here is my point since u obviously didn't get it from my previous post " you do not own or pull a hot farm tractor in the state of Kentucky or any other state in the United States " !! So why are you " stirring the @#$%& " you have posted on this thread more than all the hot farm pullers combine! Not one of us hot farm pullers gives a @#$%& what you think we should do with our rules or our class!!!!!!! If you want to have an influence and a say in what we do in our class build you a tractor, but until you do, all us tractor owners would appreciate it if u would quit pouring fuel on the fire !! I honestly think this is very unprofessional of you as mechanic/builder and I presonally would never have any dealings with you for that reason and would advise others to do the same. So just to make sure you understand my point Mr. Brian Block " quit sticking your nose in places it doesn't belong".
Corey Prewitt. 502-460-7472 |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
Your opinion is fine with me, and I would be glad for others to do tech duty but the fact is it is difficult to find tech people that will enforce the rules, be fair, and actually know what they are looking at. Beyond that you should probably consider the fact the KY hot farm class would not even exist if I hadn't made it 10+ years ago. The class started with Shelby, Spencer, and Henry counties and I wrote the rules!! I am interested in fairness for the pullers and progressing the sport. I think it is funny that pullers have no problem using a tow vehicle that is more advanced than their puller, and I am even fine with the fact that the KY hot farm pullers want an antique class, but I am not fine with changing the rules after they have been published and set. I have never been a fan of "Rules subject to outcome of pull". So remember the next time you get on your tractor you can thank me you even have a place to pull it! |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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Hotfarm puller
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Excuse me while I forget my manners for a second. Brian not a single one of these pullers is going to thank you for creating a class that is nation wide. If you are expecting them to bow down to you and praise you for all you have done in the world of tractor pulling let me tell you it's never going to happen. If you are so prominent in this world why do you hide behind a username and post as KTA and its only after someone calls you out that you own up to who you are. If your opinion is so high and mighty then why don't you stick your name and phone number on every single post. It's because you are one of the garage weasels that likes to sit back and stir crap up and watch the explosion. I can tell from your posts that you only have one side of this whole story. Like corey said, until you have a tractor that you consistently run of your own in this class, you and your opinions do. It belongs anywhere near it. |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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Hotfarm puller
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Sorry they DO NOT |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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is that so
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I don't quite remember the class starting at those places but I do remember the class being at Hodgensville and Campbellsville with CKTPA running it almost every weekend. And the rules I believe were 470 Cid with a 2.5 turbo and factory style injection pump at 3000 rpm and the weight was 10000 12000 and 14000 lbs. I guess you started the outlaw super stock superfarm class as well being that it's a cluster of rules and you are in favor of it. ALL HAIL KING KTA |
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Registered: 01/20/2011 Posts: 446 |
Corey, just wondering why the changing opinion from 4 years ago? You said"Sorry but i believe that an organization should run by the rules that are set for that class at the rule meeting." Why the change of heart to change the rules now? If the organizations would do as in the past you have suggested there would be no fuel or fire. I could care less what rules you all run I just don't believe in changing them midstream and never have.
As to those others I habe been know as KTA on the internet since 1996 back in the AOL and netscape days and dial up modems. I am not hiding and a search of my posts will reveal I am Brian Block and I work at the John Deere dealer in Shelbyville, Ky in the real world, but many in the diesel truck world would still call me KTA out in public. I don't post my phone number online, I don't need robodialers calling me with crap or pullers burning my ear up to tell me about what rule they want to change next, nothing you could say would change my belief in making rules and sticking to them, and that changing rules after the fact is wrong. There is no way I would ever spend my money to pull with you guys as I probably would only last beating you 6 hooks in a row and you would be chnaging the rules to throw me out. I looked back and in 2000 we ran our first Hot farm 3000rpm 2.5 turbo class at Shelbyville and it was 11000, 13000, and 15000lbs which were identical to the out of field classes we ran as well. It was done to provide tractors too hot for out of field a place to pull as well. I don't think CKTPA was running a 3000rpm 2.5 class at that time, I think they picked it up in 03 or 04. Prior to that there were modified farm tractor classes around here but none with an enforced rpm limit. That history is totally off topic but then again this thread mostly is too, so maybe at least if somebody can offer some more history I can learn something from it. I also have nothing to do with BOB and their hybrid class, but that isn't anything super new as Full Pull has been running DSS with Pros for years. I don't see it as a fair and competitive class for the pullers but I do like the fact that it gives guys a chance to pull something locally that otherwise they could not. |
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Corey Prewitt
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Brian I never stated my opinion on this issue that we have in OUR class and I will not discuss it on here because I don't believe that it needs to be discussed on here! There was nothing on this thread at all about the ky hot farm class until you and Kenny started stirring the pot! Someone merely asked if there was an advantage or not to running a 4 value head on a tractor and if anyone had tried it and been successful! Once again u clearly missed the who reason I posted at all, so this will be my last response to you because I see that you are only on here to bash our class and the puller in it!! I'm sorry it's clear to me now that you have your head so far up your own ass that the big bud tractor couldn't pull it out ! Thanks again for your opinion mr. Pulling God Brian Block but no thanks !!!!!!!!
Corey Prewitt. 502-460-7472 |
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webb
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In respounce to your post Corey Brian and I didn't start this war of words . I have always tried to get along with all the pullers in both organizations and i think i have been a fair competiter.The post that was intended to stir up trouble was the first and that was the end result of someone snooping in my shop.As far as discussing how I was going to build my new tractor that's no one's buisness but mine as long as it is by the rules which the point everyone seems to miss. There was a first person to put an inline pump on a rotary tractor.The same holds true for oversized turbos. Newer technology is on its way if its me it will be sombody else. I would like to know how many pullers in the vast universe of the internet shares their game plan and then asks for permission.please reply I would like to know. The challenge for me is to take what is availible and see what i can get out of it . If we as a group are afraid of someone finding an advantage we could always just limit the horsepower to say maybe 800 that would keep everyone equal wouldn't that be fun . I personly think that everyone has blown this out of proportion. At the end of the day this is just tractor pulling not life or death . |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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The real question
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I'm still wondering if it is so good over seas why you haven't bought the plane ticket yet? I'm sure we can get a donation togeather on here for a one way flight. |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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american attitude
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For "the real question"
Keep them blinders on pal, cuz when you ignore the advances the rest of the world keeps making, you will be left behind very quickly. |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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Rudy Linthorst
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Starting in the 2015 season the Dutch Farm Stock pullers (4500kg Super Sport) are allowed to use the 4 valves per cilinder.
They can run with an 510cu engine against an 549cu 2 valves per cilinder. If you are using a 4 valve per cilinder engine you can build a component chassis. I don't know the rules for the rest of Europe, that is something Sacha knows maybe better than me. |
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Re: Maybe Sascha can show up and tell us how the 4v vs 2v do in europe
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curious
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Why are the 2 valves engines allowed larger motors over the 4 valves ones? |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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not sure
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didn't Jordan Lustic pull a tractor called silver bullet with 3208 4 valve cat |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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pullfreak
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My personal opinion I don't see where at 3000 rpms it be that big of an advantage. Then again I could be wrong. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Hot farm
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Learning a bit more about the advantage, and it seems it would be a big advantage. all has to do with air flow. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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build one
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You been pokin around in someone's shop and seen one I guess? |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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puller two
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Bob let the pullers outlaw tractors that had been pulling ten years in the llss class because of there frames so who could expect them to stick |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Chris
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BOB rules aren't worth the paper they are wrote on. That was proven in the llss class. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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seems to me
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why is it that simple question often requires a complicated answer. why is it also that pullers seem to favor and look for the so called gray areas in rules they can find, if not for an advantage, if doesn't say you can't then it must be legal. why is it always when a simple question is posted on pull off that it turns into a personal endeavor to drag people or fellow pullers into a word battle of who is right or wrong, advantage or disadvantage, or who has the upper hand. why is it that when one factory produced a tractor that could shift while in motion such as a Power shift, quad range, torque, dual power, a multi-power, a over and under,that everyone thinks it is an advantage why is it that an inline pump is thought to have an advantage over a rotor or Rosa Master pump. why is it that a cross flow head is favored.why are larger tires favored over smaller ones.my point is pullers and builders know from experience of what has an advantage or doesn't, it is a proven fact some things just work better.I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong I'm simply asking what is the purpose of all the personal bickering that seems to always come by blaming others and pointing fingers. when all it does is create more distance between each other. I think the pulling organizations should use the most overlooked rule in general rules and that is, Any Unsportsman like conduct is immediate grounds for disqualification. if things cannot be resolved in a civil and respectful, adult way then why have the class at all. if it is nothing more then several thugs and people who have nothing better to do then smear and drag other people down to their level when things don't go the way they wanted. If a meeting has been set to resolve the situation then it should be resolved and taking care of at the called meeting.I have seen better sportsmanlike conduct and greater respect towards one another from children pulling pedal tractors |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Mr. Obvious the better one.
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"Mr Obvious", and "That Guy" I am assuming you are a couple of the losers in the group and probably dont win many pulls, actually i take that back. Youre probably the ones who can never catch up to the first place pullers, like kenny. Youve probably had a taste once or twice, and now all you want to do is be a winner by trying to get someone kicked out or gang up to have the rules changed. You apparrently cannot win by tractor pulling. Poor sportsman ship. You sound like the cry babies. From what i hear, its only a couple of people who are doing the crying and trying to get rules changed. Mr obvious, Obviously is upset about how great Honest John was cause he probably got is A** kicked several times by Honest John. And i would put money on those "poor kentucky boys" who own Honest John now. That they could sit on that tractor and still win. They didnt get screwed over. It was the winning tractor. And still can be. If they would just drive the tractor. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Pump up the jams
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Just curious how many BOB tractors were checked last year for cubic inch displacement? |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Simple reading
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General Regulations & Protest Procedures EVENT OPERATION AND GENERAL RULES FOR ALL CLASSES I. General Rules for All Classes -The BATTLE OF THE BLUEGRASS officials reserve the right to add, delete or change any rules at any time. - Vehicle and team must adhere to class-specific rules as outlined in individual class rules documents, as well as rules listed in this document. -B.O.B (Battle of the Bluegrass) representatives shall reserve the right to interpret any and all rules. New rules may be adopted during a pulling season at any time to promote safety or the benefit of the sport. -All pullers are to be careful in pit areas and on/or off track (watch for spectators and families of pullers). -No additional entries can be added to any class once that class has started. -All pullers must get teched by an official for safety and competition and have a tech paper on file. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Registered: 03/01/2010 Posts: 113 |
All this deal is going to do is destroy the KY HOT FARM class as we have known it for the past years. And even worse,its going to divide and cause hard feelings between the competitors. I wish this topic would have been brought up at the meeting this past winter,and been discussed in stead of the way its panning out on here. Its a shame all of this is happening all over something that was overlooked in the rules. The class rules are not perfect,and just because something was not stated doesent mean its in the best interest of the class. I think all this will do is open the door wide open for other changes that we have fought through the years. I am all for progress and improvement, but this matter is pushing the envelope to far for a limited class. R.I.P. KY HOT FARM CLASS. Lanny Highbaugh, Dixie Binder. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Registered: 02/22/2011 Posts: 13 |
I no longer own a tractor of this year but I have close friends on both side of the hot farm ktpa and bob . If there has already been a rules meeting then so be it . I've never seen a winning pulling tractor built just by what the rules say and not throwing in what the rules do not say . We have all spent the money of organizations making rules as they go as far as Ktpa I faith in them Bob still has ground to make up from the past. Red ,Green .Blue . Orange it a hell of a lot of work ok Kenny maybe not green lol |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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New builder
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So what did BOB decide ? |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Blowing smoke
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The same thing that KTPA did, can't run more then 2 valves per cylinder. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Facts
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No your still aloud to run a four valve head with Ktpa. You just can't run it in the girls club not enough shoulders to cry on (bob) |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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WEBB
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The april 11 meeting with KTPA was attended by 11 pullers in the hot farm class . I would personly like to commend everyone on keeping it civil.The decision to not run the 4 valve was voluntary to maintain the comradery and numbers somthing the bob group does not have.At the rate they are going the farm stock class will have the rest of their hooks in another season or so. KTPA,s rules were not changed and will not be untill next year. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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close company
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Careful what you wish for, not everything is what it seems. |
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Re: 4 valve head verses a 2 valve head which has the advantage
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Hmmm
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Wasn't the decision to take the 4 valve head off the table ,decided after many puller expressed there thoughts and feelings, someone realized, the vote was not going there way so it was with drawled . Come on let's tell the truth on here. |
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