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JD 329
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Registered: 05/29/2008 Posts: 161 |
Has anyone ran a JD 329 or 359 in a light limited. We have a cube limit of 350.Suggestions?? |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
What version (rules) of light limited are you running? Are you looking to smoke or clean burn?
I know of 329 / 359 built in both single & 2 charger setups. I'm not aware of any alky 329's, but I wouldn't be surprised if there have been some. Other greeen alternaitves are the gas version of that engine at 303 or the early 4020 gas at 341. According to my research the 303 in the 4030 was a 7 main block just like the diesel vs 4 mains in the more common combine engine. The 341 (4 mains) seems to be pretty common in 105 combines & is only a bore change different from the 4010 gasser 300. |
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Re: JD 329
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here's more
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The 4010 was a 302 ci engine, not 300. It is identical to the 341 in the early 4020's, just a bore change like you said. As for the 329, not sure on how many mains there are, but they came in 6600 combines as both diesel and gas, as well as in the 4030 as either fuel. Should have no trouble finding a gas or diesel 329. Another thing is the 329 has a crossflow head if you believe in the IH theory. The 303 is an animal alll of its own, looks nothing like any other Deere engine and more like an automotive 6 cyl engine. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
I was going on memory for the 4010 gasser. I knew it was 4" bore & stroke, but didn't bother to figure that up. 
I've also seen a boatload of 329 diesels in 4400 combines, so as you say they should be easy to come by. As far as I know they all had pencil injectors, so some machine work would need to be done to fit a performance injector. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 05/29/2008 Posts: 161 |
Thanks for the input.In your oppinion would this be a waste of time and money to try? I don't see any performance parts offered by any builders or suppliers. |
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Re: JD 329
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I think the 329 or 359 would be your best bet. I am currently pulling a 359 with a rosamaster pump but will soon be running a p pump. That motor will turn 6000 rpms and it doesn't take much to get it there because I have done it myself. |
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Re: JD 329
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359?
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What did the 359 come in?Whats the bore and stroke of it? |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 06/17/2008 Posts: 137 |
4.19 x 4.33, 2955, euro 4040 w/turbo, Canadian Mist smoker, originally a single charger smoker, ran exceptionally well. Was from Kentucky. Others on here will have more specific info, could have been 329, 359 or 414 (750 dozer) cu in with factory parts. Believe the owners name was Moberly. Exotic builds are always expensive, but otherwise, pumps, chargers, blankets, cages, steel flywheels, clutches are the same price, no matter if they are bolted to a 301 or a mega cu in 6 banger, if it blows smoke and makes power. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 09/23/2008 Posts: 632 |
call Mike Savey in Ky he had the canadian mist and can probably tell you more than you want to know about the 300 series from deere, i do know that it will fit in a 2640 pretty nicely. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
I believe Mike Savey was the owner of Canadian Mist that I recall. Could have bought it from a Moberly??? From what I heard he tried 329, 359, & 414. Liked the 329 & 359 the best - said 414 didn't want to rev.
Allen Lichte (sp?) from MO has the 4030 that I heard Roberts Machine had a hand in building. It too started as a single charger & then went to two. I believe it was a 359. Pulled Outlaws & ususally shared a trailer with Kevin Schrier (Red Royal). |
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Re: JD 329
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candianmistiknowis SAVEY
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It always put water on the track at the NFMS, yet always was invited back. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 05/29/2008 Posts: 161 |
JRP--If I can ask what did it take to get yours where it is. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
No, you're probaly not going to find a bunch of used parts from someone who's changing classes & the major builders will not have parts on the shelf, but someone like Murphys mentioned on another thread or Brad Gray will probably work with you on rockers. The clutch guys should be able to do a flywheel. It kind of depends upon how much of a do it yourself guy you are.
I don't know what your feelings on Doug Roberts are, but I'm pretty sure he had a hand in building a 4030 about 10 years ago, so he should have sources for performance parts. |
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Re: JD 329
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Anonymous User
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Call Scott Beckett of Beckett Machine, he still has a John Deere 2840 chassis with multiple spare engines and parts. He ran it on diesel and an alcohol. www.beckettmachine.us. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,522 |
looked at a friends 4030,the head is a crossflow,but both intake manifolds are cast to the head.are you guys machining the as cast manifolds off and using a fabricated manifold.looks like it would be very hard to improve intake tract as cast,other than extrude honeing them. |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
I know one that milled it off & used a 'cough' IH 312 intake. 
There were also some heads built for that family that had ports to a more traditional manifold. At least some were intercooled engines. I'm not sure how hard they are to find. |
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Re: JD 329
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word on the street
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get a marine head and you wont have that problem |
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Re: JD 329
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Registered: 03/30/2008 Posts: 97 |
The last two years the 4050's were built, 1987 & 1988 I believe, they used a 359 engine, but not sure about the manifolds but it was turbocharged. |
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Re: JD 329
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The John Deere 3130 had the 329 in it. The 359 was more of an industrial motor and used in combines and wheel loaders. Our old JD 544A wheel loader had a 359 turbocharged and everything swapped with a 329 that wasn't turboed. |
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4030 oem replacement, 466?
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Posts: 167 |
I was wondering would a 466 be concidered an OEM replacement engine for a 4030. I would like to build a light NA SS like they have are Gordy and thought the 4030 with a 2 speed and a 466 at 640 cid would be a great combanation.
Thanks Chucky |
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Re: 4030 oem replacement, 466?
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green
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A 4030 is a breed all its own. A 466 will not bolt directly to a 4030 rear, bolt pattern different. I think that it is the only one that is not the same correct me if I am wrong |
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Re: 4030 oem replacement, 466?
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JW
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John Deere made a tractor with 2speed and a 466 it was a 4050 which is the same if you would take a 4430 and put 4050 stickers on it. And the 4030 still had the 404 466 bell hsg pattern, but rails are different for front mount of engine. |
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Re: 4030 oem replacement, 466?
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Posts: 167 |
You are right about the 4050, but what I like about the 4030 is it is basically a 3020 trans/rear with a 2 speed in front which should be 1-2000 lbs lighter and being NA should hold up to the power. A far as bolting up a 400 series will bolt up to a 3020 or even a 2510. I have seen that so that should not be a problem. I think it would just be a simple way of loosing some pounds.
An other question I have will a 2 speed work in a 4010-20 center section or will a 4030 2 speed work in a 3020 center section?? If so how much work would it be to put it in?? Thanks Chucky |
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Re: 4030 oem replacement, 466?
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
You can't easily put a 2 speed in a 10 or 20 housing. 10 & 20 had dry clutches & as far as I know all 2 spds had wet clutches. The housings are significantly different (at least 4010 vs 4430) to accomodate the 2 speed. To do it you are going to have to be a pretty good fabricator able to weld into the cast housing.
I think you could possibly put a 4030 clutch housing in front of a 3020 & possibly a 3010 trans housing & I think a 4430 clutch housing will bolt up to a 4010 trans (they go the other way all the time). You probably would have to change the top shaft as I believe all the wet clutch tractors drive the oil pump from the crank instead of the top shaft. None of this gets a 466 bolted up to the small housing with 2 spd though. |
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Re: 4030 oem replacement, 466?
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Registered: 07/11/2008 Posts: 326 |
I think you need the 4030 rear, with the larger clutch housing.. I just can't remember if you need the 4230 and Up housing.. or the 4040 housing.. (w/404) housing. A friend pulled a 4030 with a 414 (6.8L) but decided to start with a different tractor, after having trans problems. (At the level you are talking, you are going to be using something custom any ways.. |
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Re: 4030 oem replacement, 466?
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Green
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John Deere 4030...Specifications:
Weight - Lbs. 7805 3 Pt. Hitch Cat. II Cab - Std/Opt/ROPS Opt Cooling Capacity 22 Trans - Std Quad PTO - Speed 540/1000 PTO - Type Ind Engine C.I.D. 329 Engine Cyls 6 Engine Fuel Diesel Engine Make JD Fuel Capacity 35 Gal HP - Dbr 68.7 HP - PTO 80.3 Hydraulic Capacity 13 Hydraulic Flow 23 Gpm Hydraulic Type Closed Tires - Front 10.00x16 Tires - Rear 18.4x34 Trans - Fwd/Rev Opt 8F/2R Trans - Fwd/Rev Std 16F/6R Trans - Opt SR Wheelbase 101" Years Made 1973-1977 |
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Re: JD 329
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Wrong
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The 3130 NEVER had a 329. Do your homework buster.Read the tags on the engine, they should say 6359 or 6059, and a T will be designated if it was a turbo model which no 3130 ever was (you had to go to a 3255 or late 4050 for that). If you had a 3130 with a 329, someone put it in there. |
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Re: JD 329
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jD 43
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Wrong you are wrong !!! I have a 3130 and it came with a 329. The 3130 was either turbo or non turbo. The parts manual has parts for both. I pulled it for a few years. There was a turboed 3130 around the Pa. area for some time that pulled real good. The 2940,2950 3140,3150,3155& 7200's had 359 cu. The 4040 had 404 and the 4240 a 466. The 4050 had a 359 turboed or a 466 non turboed depending on the year. The upgrade of the 359 is the current 414. |
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Re: JD 329
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Easy Easy 
But even tractor data says 3130 had a 329. I was mistaken that the 359 wasn't used in a farm tractor as stated by another post. Was the manifold that was on the 329 used on the 359 as well? Just curious because I didn't remember it on our John Deere Loader. |
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Re: JD 329
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Jd43
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The exhaust manifolds have different part numbers. The 3130 has an external above the hood muffler. The tractors with a 359 have an under the hood muffler and a straight pipe. This could be why. The gasket is the same number. . |
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Re: JD 329 in 3010
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Will a 329 or 359 bolt up to a 3010 clutch housing ? |
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Re: JD 329 in 3010
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Registered: 09/23/2008 Posts: 632 |
if you buy the adaptor for the 4030 it will bolt up fairly easily |
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Re: JD 329 in 3010
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
I'm not 100%, but you may have to use a 2510 adapter. If the 4030 adapter would work, then a 466 should bolt into a 4030. A 4030 that I looked at had the top bolts in 'backwards' but that could be solved with a nut if the pattern is the same. |
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