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Seeking qualified employees.
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We are currently seeking a full-time diesel technician.
Job Responsibilities: Diagnose and repair customer vehicles and equipment Complete work orders and service history in a timely manner Maintain clean and safe work area Ability to use and understand electronic service manuals and diagnostic tools. Ability to read, comprehend, and communicate effectively service and technical information. Verifies vehicle performance by conducting test drives Capable of working alone with minimal supervision Exceptional candidates will also: Display superior customer service skills Update job knowledge by participating in educational opportunities, reading industry publications, and participate in industry conferences, competitions, and events Have 1+ year experience Job Requirements: Valid driver’s license (CDL preferred) Completion of accredited diesel technician program Provide personal tools Available to work overtime (after hours and Saturdays) Compensation: Varies with experience and starts at $13/hour with paid time off. Time and a half for overtime. Please send resumes and references to Nic@CoersDiesel.com. We work on everything from Farm Equipment to Pulling Tractors. A lot of our work is on Heavy Trucks. Currently in the shop we have a JD 4640 with a spun rod bearing, two Dodge/Cummins 24v for overhaul/builds, a fleet of school buses for summer maintenance, a Oliver Super 88 diesel for overhaul/tuneup, a Ford F250 6.0L for headgaskets, a Caterpillar D6 crawler loader for electric start conversion, and several more other projects. Just stating to show to cross section of vehicles and equipment we work on. |
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Some guy
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You will be lucky to get someone to mop the floors for $13/hr let alone someone with a cert and a toolbox. |
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Living in the early 1990s
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Wow talk about living in the past. There must be no jobs in your area or you are living in fantasy land. You could not afford to make payments on a car to get to work and your tools much less a place to live. Might as well stay in bed for $13. $13 is an insult. Go to school costs time and money and have even limited tools cost enough money. Our lowest paid diesel mechanics are @ $25 and high @ $34. Machinists 27- $37. We have to pay the grunts just out of the tech school 20-22 or they laugh at us. Our part time kids going for diesel mechanics get $16 to dump the trash, sweep the floors and change oil and grease. If you have a CDL you would be way better off driving truck. Bottom line I would not want anybody making $13 to touch my car, truck, tractor, bus, and sure not my pulling tractor. You will get what you pay for and you won't be getting much. If you do get somebody good they will leave anyway. Get any of the Fleet Manager magazines. They have article after article about how the days of treating mechanics like crap are nearing the end. Big shortage of mechanics and will soon be a lot worse. When I finished school in 1991 and went full time I got a raise to $14.50. My new diesel pickup cost 23k and diesel was $.95 at the pump. |
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HC
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there is no way you will get someone who meets your list of qualifications to work for $13 a hour. I'd go work at the local hardware store for $10 a hour before I ever thought of move the $50000 worth of tools I have for 13 bucks a hour. If you can't pay a tech more than that you need to raise your labor rate. |
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Interesting discussion. I usually start guys out of college at 17/hr and give them raises every 6 months. I have a hard time finding good help with this generation of kids and maybe that is simply because of the pay rate. I should have left the 13 out and just said that it varies. If I could find someone with 5 years experience and a good set of tools then I wouldn't be opposed to 20+/hr. The last I knew, the Cummins shop 40 miles from here was starting at 17 and heading to 21 pretty quickly for the right guy. |
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JOKE
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Maybe it's a joke, they surely wouldn't expect someone with those skills and their own tools to work for that. You can even hire people to work on a factory floor for less than $13 an hour now and they are unskilled labor straight out of high school. I was making $36 an hour doing diesel maintenance myself and I don't have those certifications, only experience, I provided my tools and the company provided me with a truck, stocked with compressor, welder, etc. I would have quickly declined, apologized for both of our time being wasted and walked out the door had they offered me $13. If it's not a joke , then they really need to get with the times. |
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Get real...ur spoiled
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First off.....the proof is in the pudding. ....u can take all those high price "mechanics " and float them down a stream.....a real mechanic would take the job and prove them self so that they can make him money.....that's where the real dollars come in...
.btw....run ur own business....cover the over head.....then lets talk......50,000 don't cover anything |
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Moderator Registered: 11/27/2008 Posts: 108 |
to Get real... Real mechanic would take the job to make THEM money????cookoo cookoo!! |
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LEWIS
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I wish that company would relocate and move down here in ky we need some good jobs like that. Then maybe a KY fried chicken would come to my County |
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Here is a thought ............ IF the company isnt gonna make any money (Real mechanic would take the job to make THEM money???? cookoo cookoo) then there isnt a job to even worry about. I'm not saying that 13 bux is all a mechanic is worth BUT if a small shop competing against the big ones may have a tough time paying big wages and close the doors = no job
Problem I have seen with "I deserve big pay " guys .... too many are lazy and entitled and therefore arent worth their pay even at 13 bux |
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middle aged mechanic
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Then the little shop should choke and go under. No point in having jobs out there that just go through the motions and the employee can't make a living. Pleanty of owners out there that feel entitled. You should come work for me, make me alot of money and you should make just enough money to exist. Employees education and skills are just as important as the owner. Anyway things are a changing. The next generation is not going to work for cheap. So owners can put their heads in the sand all they want. You are going to pay them or somebody else will. Fewer people entering the work force. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2016 11:27PM by MH49. |
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The boss
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The problem isn't paying technicians, its finding qualified technicians. I run a large construction equipment dealership service department. I don't have a problem paying techs good money but you have to find them. With today's advanced hydraulics, tier 4 engines and multiple controllers you can't be just a joe blow that thinks he is a mechanic. So it takes highly skilled people that can understand computers, complex hydraulic circuits and be able to read schematics. Kids don't want to do this anymore. It's hard work, dirty work. So with less techs in the work pool it drives those wages up. Which is great for the good service techs, they deserve it. The other thing that happens is techs know there is a shortage so sometimes they have you by the balls, because the dealer down the road is hurting for techs so they offer them more to come there. I have to say I'm lucky I have a great group of techs right now, and just hired another guy. |
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Been There Done That
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The youth of today has a sense of entitlement that won't get them very far in this field. I don't know what these tech schools are teaching these kids nowadays but the last 4 to 5 years not a single one that was hired is still employed at our shop because they got fired or quit because they couldn't handle the job. The owner quit taking chances on techs straight out of school and only hires experienced, seasoned employees. The results have been much better going that route. In this field, you either have it or you don't and having your name on a piece of paper proves nothing. |
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You missed my point but thats ok |
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inquiring
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"Coers Diesel", are you also a farmer? |
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DM210
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Thanks for sharing your numbers AV. That is what a bunch of people think, you bill out 60, pay me 20, your making 40 per hour. That is 320 a day you make on my work. It surprises me that people can't see the costs to run a business. I pride myself in keeping call backs to as close to 0 as possible. I see guys say it is good enough and put out a sub standard product. I am in a little different trade but it all revolves around being a mechanic. I understand parts fail and stuff happens, but pride in your work is becoming a rarity. I hope all you guys find people to grow your businesses, it keeps people working and passes mechanics skills on to the next generation. Thanks Again for the discussion. |
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Nic?
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Registered: 04/03/2016 Posts: 772 |
Why the heck did you even put that ad on this forum???????smh |
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Opinions
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It's no big deal. I don't mind reading opinions and won't loose sleep over it. I just end up with kids that aren't certified and start them at 13...prove themselves then they get raises on a regular basis to get them where they should be. I know my area and what techs get paid around here. I just should have never posted a dollar figure. It's great to get opinions from outside of the local area. |
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Registered: 09/03/2010 Posts: 393 |
Guys I'm not going to hire a tech right out of school and pay him what he /she thinks they are worth but as they prove their worth then I'll happily pay them their worth and also there is this thing called you make me money and I'll share it with you and a employee only has a value if he making his employer money and we all know there is a lot of died weight out there to include seasoned employees. My dad always said if your not making your employer money then you have no value to them. |
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Seeking qualified employees
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employee
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Interesting reading this thread and the "employers" saying 'prove your worth and then I will pay you more'. I have had a long ag career of hearing this BS and not seeing the fruit. And my education, experience, work ethic with managerial responsibilities plus increasing the operation's profitablity to back up what I'm saying finds the employer being selfish, pleading poverty and full of excuses why he suposedly cannot honor his smoke filled promise statements.
The employer respect is not there for the employee(s), let alone a proper financial compensation, but the (worthless) kid(s) who cannot make a proper contribution to the operation certainly knows how to extract the $$$$ from dad (maybe mom, too) plus the employer never seems to be lacking any $$ when it comes to spending for the hobby, whatever that may be. My recommendation to anyone considering a career in down home hands on getting dirty agriculture as an employee, will be much better off utilizing your education and talent in some other vocation. Farmers as a whole need to do a lot to change their perception of who they really if they truly want to be respected themselves. My career has also involved ag sales and that is psychological warfare dealing with you guys attitudes and negativilty on a daily basis. All you guys do is specialize in putting everybody else down while feeling so sorry for yourself. Get a grip. You guys are financially wealthy. Learn to share it with your employee, who hopefully will also be respected by you for the contribution he/she makes to your profitable business. I'm sure I will get slammed really hard in the responses, But, first, you better evaluate yourself first and yes, look in the mirror, to ask your self, "am I guilty of any of these charges?" |
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Fist full of dirt
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Hey buddy, don't be mislead by the flashy equipment and new vehicles. I am a small farmer and I also carry a part time job on the side to make a living. These farmers these days have a bigger debt then most know....while the water is sparkling on topside it's very dirty underneath. The bigger guys want a few work slaves to work long hours for nothing, they want their seed, chemicals, nitrogen, etc for half price, and still want to be treated with respect while taking another guys farm while saying "it's just business". Take another big loan out to pay your high cash rent, then mine the soil just so you can make a couple dollars an acre. Agriculture as a whole is being turned into a joke because of greed. I remember when we used to hire out work to high school kids to walk our beans with us. Taught work ethic with good spending money. Kids don't want to work for a tight wad farmer doing hard work for pennies. |
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Been There Done That
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I've worked for an employer that made multi millions in the business, owned 4 shops in different cities. Worst man I ever worked for in my life. Refused to pay competitive wages and never showed appreciation for our hard work to help his multi million dollar businesses thrive year after year. When holidays rolled around you were lucky to get a meal at the local casino buffet. Working for him was a life lesson in don't expect too much from people because your gonna be disappointed most of the time. Current shop I work for, the owners pay top wages, and give us surprise thank u bonuses thru out the year to reward us for our hard work. It's nice to work for someone that appreciates what u do for them every day instead of just being in it for themselves. |
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Why always bash
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Just a thought. Don't know the guy from Atom who posted job. Maybe he's cheap, maybe he treats his employees like crud etc. etc...
Or maybe he thought that someone out there needs a job. So he posts on a web site where most of us all have the same interests. To give a chance for someone to learn a trade or advance more in the field of repair. I commend and thank him for posting a job in our community. Just remember guys and girls it's a free market. If you don't like the conditions move on. If business want better employees they'll pay more. Nobody is owed anything. I've relocated my family 4 times to better myself. Or I could of stayed right where I was at and complained why I don't get paid more cause it was owed to me. Hopefully we will see more job posting like this. If you don't like it don't apply. Instead of yelling cause someone offered some kind of opportunity . |
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DM210
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I graduated High School in 1994. I grew up on a hundred acre farm and we rented a couple hundred more. I did my first overhaul in 7th grade. I went to a tech school in Cleveland for Diesel Mechanics. I graduated first in my class. Then I started looking for a job, the tech school certificate was almost useless. All employers were asking for minimum experience. If I wanted to travel an hour to the large city, I could work in a Truck Repair Shop starting at 13 to 15 dollars per hour. I started at a local family owned Farm Implement Dealer making $7.50 per hour, after a couple weeks I got a raise to $8. I worked on everything and after two years was making $10 per hour with minimal benefits. Even in the late 90's that was not a lot of money, no where near enough to raise a family and live. I took my experience and went into a HVAC Apprenticeship working on large commercial equipment and make $60,000 to $90,000 per year. I also teach apprenticeship classes and agree with some of the comments about finding talented new people. Young kids with any hands on or mechanical skills are getting very rare. I think the lack of vocational training in our high schools is a main cause. I also think schools look at blue collar work as something less than a college education. I have worked for some idiots and some great people. Most employers treat people fairly and will pay for what they are getting, there are some out there that are greedy and there is not much you can do except find a new paycheck working for someone who appreciates it. I think all skilled trades are experiencing a lack of talent. Starting someone out at 13 per hour is fine for no experience, if you want tools and everything else, that will cost more. I'm sure everyone has met the guy that runs his mouth about being the best and can't back it up. I think that is a good reason for a trial period. It sounds like this employer will pay for the qualified person. A great topic. Thanks. |
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I'll just give the scenario of where 13/hr came from. Its hard, around my area, to find anybody with the qualifications. So, my customers know I am looking to hire. An older farmer said he had a grandson that just moved back to the area and could turn a wrench. I took him at his word and brought him in for an interview. He had no formal training, a high school diploma, and a very small set of tools. He had good references and talked as though he knew what he was doing. I hired him at 13/hr. He worked for a few months and did great. Some guys just simply have the mechanical ability. I would put him on task and he would get the job done, barely going over book time, without asking that many questions. I would show him how to properly do something and he would do it. I normally do 6 month evaluations. I saw that he was doing great and gave him his first evaluation at 3 months with a raise. I also gave him a tool bonus($3,000 worth of tools/toolbox) up front to which he would earn $1,000/year and own everything after the third year.
I'm not afraid to give raises every 6 months and pay what someone is worth. There still has to be a probationary period where I can see if they are going to live up to there word. I'm looking into benefits as that seems to be a big hurdler that everyone is looking for. This is a good thread and I do enjoy reading all the opinions. |
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We have the same type of scenario with help in our area too.
I will pay anyone that is worth it. But so many want high pay, no experience, no tools, and do not live up to what they thought they could do. Our shop rate is $60/hr. $20 to the tech for easy math. That leaves $40/hr @ 2080 hrs a yr = $83,200. That figure means the tech billed out 100% of his time, had no come backs, and was kept busy with billable jobs 100% of the time. This scenario is not reality for us. Take 75% of that for $62,400 has to pay all overhead, insurance, taxes, upkeep and equipment replacement. Alone on workmans comp, unemployment, property insurance, and shop insurance I am $60,000 in the hole before the year even starts. Then if a business has any operating loan interest, business payments, administrative costs (very needed), that $40/hr over a year doesn't go as far as some employees think it does. I don't even like to think about all the lost or broken equipment, damaged property, lost time due to returns and down time that even the best employees can sometimes have happen. In no way am I looking for sympathy, just telling the employer cost side of things. We value good employees, but sometimes are hard to find. And I can't blame anyone if they find a better way to make a living for them and their families. COO for OTTPA www.outlawpulling.com www.truck-specialties.com Schaeffer Oil Representative [www.schaefferoil.com] |
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Anonymous User
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We have been looking for an employee for a year and half. Willing to pay 20-25 per hour for the right person. Less if you have little experience, and basic training. A month ago we started a kid out of tech 9 months. $16.00 just training only. 2 days he left, and went back to 2nd shift job at 18.00. Found out that real machine work and programing is harder than just pushing a button, and measuring parts. Kid had the mind to be a good employee, just not the ambition. Had very fast review process, and laid out the bench marks. Could have been to $20.00 by end of year, and probably to 22-23 after another. I tell everybody in my business I will pay you what you are worth. I don't care if I pay you 30/hr as long as you make my business some money. The problem is most people are not that motivated. In our line of business customers do not want parts that fail or don't work. So you have to be on your best everyday. And you have to prove and earn it. You have to be willing to do things you never did or were never taught. I have had employees tell me they couldn't do it because they never did it before or were not taught it. And I say, either was I, and I still was able to do it by taking time to teach myself, or take my skills and adapt them. (I didn't get paid for doing that either) I had to figure it out. That is not to say I will not teach someone, but it seems now days, I have to give them instructions how to go through their day, and how to use toilet paper to wipe their buts, and to be honest, that kind of attitude isn't even worth minimum wage. I have hope though. I a have 16 yr old Son. Now he is 16 and that gets in the way sometimes, but his metals class made and sold Shepherds hooks. He sold 10 of them. When he got them to the shop he said he wasn't very happy with them. He said I can't give them to the people that paid for them. I said why. He said the paint is very bad. He said he needed to fix them. I said there was some sand paper, and paint out in the shop. So he spent 2 days sanding and repainting them. Didn't have to even say anything. Made me proud, and gave me some hope for younger generations. I ask him why they let them out like that, and he said that the teacher said that some kids don't care. They take the class because they think it is an easy A. Well that is some of the problem. These jobs are not easy A. They are tuf, and challenging, and require a person to take self responsibility, and pride in their work. Schools are just too easy on students, and they come out thinking that is reality. Wake up call the real world doesn't care, and will chew you up and spit you out with out shedding a tear. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2016 12:00PM by No Limit MFG. |
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Brandon B
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Exactly, right on! The real world sucks. This is what happens when everyone gets a participation trophy! Too many people feel entitled to things they aren't nowadays. Get used to being a winner if you work for it and a loser if you don't. Sorry folks, that's the way it is. |
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Registered: 01/12/2016 Posts: 55 |
Fantastic reply and In my opinion 100% spot on. I like it and your attitude so much that you just gained a future customer should I ever need your services for a future puller project!
red712 |
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Assie
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Yup hes a Farmer for sure, trying to get around the TAX THING and hire guys for chickin feed, these things need to be gotten rid of,, just more WHITE GOVT MONEY SUCKIN TRASH |
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099
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To assie,
Hope that chicken he's feeding taste good |
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Assie
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I'm sure it is cause it's FREE money for him,,, or her,,no wonder why anyone wants to work for them, they have ads all over CL,,,, |
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Registered: 04/03/2016 Posts: 772 |
It's really amazing what you and a few others think you know about Coers Diesel. And why would anyone care about what you are "sure" of? |
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It's no big deal, you'll always have a few pot stirrers in the mix. Bottom line, as I've already stated, I'll pay what your worth. 13/hr is perfectly fine for no experience, very few tools and "must look at my phone when ever it makes any kind of noise or vibration". |
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