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Light Super Stock meeting
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Registered: 09/16/2014 Posts: 153 |
The rescheduled Light Super Stock meeting is this Saturday at 11:00 in Arlington, NE. Hope to see anyone interested in this class Saturday! Attached are details! Thanks, Doug |
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Jdpuller17
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So!? What's the big news after the meeting? |
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Lunch bunch
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Pizza was excellent! |
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What's the new rules? Are we going to be a nascar class? |
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Attendeer
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Some spirited discussion, but no blood drawn, no personal attacks, and no feelings hurt. |
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Derek Sartin
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If you had something to say there was a meeting to go to and say it. Everybody bitchin now reminds me of all the liberals crying about Trump getting elected!!! |
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Josh Harrington
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I'm not bitching just stating facts. As far as going to the meeting I would not have changed anybodys mind. It was decided long before today. I have been there done that , do not believe in wasting time on a losing battle. I'm done with socialism and moving on. When you get tried of getting screwed by the John Deere guys you will move on to. All that needed to happen was the current rules needed inforced , no need to make a no child left behind class. The John Deere guys could have done the work and improved their self, but no it easier to get a favor. Respectfully , Josh Harrington |
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Student
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Sorry for the delay, everyone is still doing their homework, trying to find their tape measures and sidewalk chalk. You should have came for the pizza and show.
I am sure Doug will put out a letter explaining everything. |
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understanding
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Pretty much anything to make a John Deere win! If this don't work I purpose making a red tractor pull the sled in reverse! |
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Anonymous User
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so Deeres get a 15 foot head start? |
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Close hahahahahaha Deeres get a 200lb weight advantage to make up for their "disadvantage" of being green hahahahahahahaha
IH alky 6100 Deere alky 6300 IH diesel 6400 Deere diesel 6600 and other brands got their own weight "break" Doug says they need that because they are at a disadvantage (brand is personal choice) so I asked if I got a "break" cuz I only have one turbo ....... Doug said "well thats YOUR choice" hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Whatever.... |
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Josh Harrington
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Let's rename the class to no child left behind! |
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How does this help close the gap for the small block tractors? It doesn't ! all it does is put the JD out front.WHY didn't the jd's bolt on 4 chargers & try that befor they gave them the extra weight This is suppose to be super stock pulling not nascar .I know the pullers don't like it but the fans in the crowd love it when that one tractor puts 40ft on the class .The only way to bunch these tractors up is to make it a 5700 small block class. Move the big block's up to 7000lbcast iron class for all tractors !! |
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Josh Harrington
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How about John Deere tractors step up and do the work? Two bar cages instead of three bar ? Four turbochargers instead of two turbochargers? If a cuertain family from north of here want to win , no matter how unfair you make it they will find a way. In fact why change the rules ? In force the one's you have. This is almost like dealing with Obama and Hillary!These rule changes ain't tractor pulling they're political! |
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WHAT will outlaws do if Mark desides to build a 4010? I hope excaliber doesn't use outlaw rules this year since most of their tractors are true light small block tractors They want you to take weight away not add more ! make everone weigh 6000lb that will close the gap !! |
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GROW UP
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The Schlueter Family has done more for pulling than you every have Josh. First class Family and just because they seen the cheating going on in the class last year they are the bad guys! That's what is wrong with society now. Blame the messenger not the problem. Just like the liberals are blaming Russia cause they got caught with their emails. With all that cheating going on last year and that straighten out now, plus now we see the advantage IH has had I hope the Schlueters and their John Deere's kick all their butts. International and Fords. Lets see how well the cheaters do with a even playing field! |
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Josh Harrington
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First off I have nothing against Cory and Chuck , They have nice looking tractors and have always been nice to me. 2 I sign my name to my post. 3 This is a discussion board , I have simply wrote my opinion for discussion , you are the one trying to make personal. Have I hit a nerve? Now one more time for my opinion read this slowing I'm not bashing I'm simply giving my opinion. Giving one brand of tractor a weight advantage is socialism at it's finest. I love the sport of tractor pulling , but we all make choices in are life. If you like green or orange tractors pull them. If you can't win go home to the shop roll up your selvees and figure out why not. This extra weight is like the chevy's winning all the races so they have to remove two plug wires so a ford can compete. Same difference. As far as the John Deeres kicking butt I hope they do too. Because their is not much left to pick from. I have said all along the rules in 2016 was fine they just needed inforced. Thank you have nice day! |
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Nathan Binder
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This class is turning into there so called Unlimited Light Super Stock Class but it's the PPL and Grand National level class. I wish someone would by Outlaws that don't even have a pulling vehicle or a business related to pulling. That away they can get the best vehicles and the most numbers so they can put on the best show possible. It's all about the fans. They are the one buying a ticket. All organizations need to think about the fans first. If they aren't there to buy tickets, there will be no pulling |
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Oliver
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Check out the wanted ads! 
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Outlaw puller
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Outlaws has that class already. Unlimited Super Stock, component, 6200 lbs. Doug Roberts changed the rules, stuck with it and saved this class for Outlaws and now has 14 tractors in it. If the dumb a$$'s in the Light Super will give him a chance he will fix that class. Most can't think past the hood of their own tractor. It's all about me, me, me and not what's good for the class! |
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Anonymous User
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What if I had a Cockshutt what would I get to weigh? What if I had an Oliver? Or even better yet a Deutz! |
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IH Alky 6100 lbs
IH Diesel 6400 lbs JD Alky 6300 lbs JD Diesel 6600 lbs Ford/NH Alky 6100 lbs Ford/NH Diesel 6400 lbs Oliver/White/Cockshutt Alky 6100 lbs Oliver/White/Cockshutt Diesel 6400 lbs Duetz Alky 6100 lbs Duetz Diesel 6400 lbs Case Alky 6200 lbs Case Diesel 6500 lbs |
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Attendee
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I forgot....
Allis Chalmers Alky 6300 Allis Chalmers Diesel 6600 |
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Josh Harrington
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John Deere and Allis Chambers class? No politics involved there! Lol |
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Outlaw puller
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Yea there are politics involved. Mark fought tooth and nail not to give John Deere any weight even though he admitted he couldn't get one past 3000 lb front axle weight. Then when it came time to look at the Allis he wanted it to weigh same as John Deere. That was 200lbs. more than what Doug recommended for alcohol. Now come to find out he still has the engine out of the Allis he bought from Brice Terry. Sold the component chassis to Doug Messinger. So look for a Allis out of the Ulmer camp. |
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Team one
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This is the dumbest damn thing I've ever seen! What the hell happened to putting in the work and possibly upgrading some of this out dated stuff ? Way to be progressive,
But no , let's give everyone a gold star and a box of tissues to dry their eyes, the system wasn't broken until someone got caught cheating, now everyone has to be catered to in order to make everything ok again, beginning of the end for this class but typical outlaw politics I suppose.... |
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?????
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Why not do away with the clutch housing and put a clutch can on ? Then make a maximum distance from the center of the rear axle to the front of the engine? That seems a lot safer and more fair for all. Why are none of the John Deere guys running 8000 series sheet metal?They could make their front axle weigh more. |
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Registered: 10/18/2011 Posts: 262 |
????? Quote [Why not do away with the clutch housing and put a clutch can on ? Then make a maximum distance from the center of the rear axle to the front of the engine? That seems a lot safer and more fair for all.] Got no dog in this race!!!!! But, ????? Quote sounds like the best solution to making things even. All tractors should compete under the same weight !!!! |
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Outlaw Puller
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We have that class now, it is called USS. Then it will be all alcohol and no diesel. I would say that is where this class is headed and a shame as Outkaws about the only association left that has true Light Super Stock diesel tractors. |
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Its pretty simple folks Outlaws cant make things simple like everyone else. I suggest everyone quit bitching and leave them high and dry as there is other organizations who would love to have you. MSTPA,EXCALIBER,and get ahold of PPL Western for 2018. Great class its a shame theres all this DRAMA. |
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now this is crazy I have been around the sport of tractor pulling since1975 ... how are you going to sell it to the fans the different weight for different brand tractors in this class. .. this has gone to far... I liked the outlaws til the end of last year... but when cheating was involved in this class and now this crazy set of rules..
I think you need to rename this class.... as a fan that pays the money to get in to see your event... I think I have seen my last outlaw show and will spend my money else where... I agree with the break down of the alky at one weight and diesel at another.. but when you start doing different weight for different brands ... come on now.. as a fan I really like this site as some of the pullers on here I know , and went to school with. (macon.mo). but getting back to this pullers choose what brand they want to run.. how much research and development and money they put in to compete at what level they want... but with this crazy rule outlaw is choosing brands now.. sorry but that is not tractor pulling as the sport I like ... remember the old days with the sleds people stepped on the sled as it went down the track.. and now you have racing sleds...... yep I'm old school.... point is as a fan outlaw you got it wrong......you have went away from your smaller pulls, less pulls . went to 2 day pulls and bigger towns to put on the shows...plus cut back on the pulls in Missouri ... and I hate to say this but your tv show is not that good,,, as a fan you don't get to hear the sound of the tractor but sure do get to hear dave talk lol..... now you think I'm bashing outlaw but I'm not. just telling you the facts from a fans view point.. you know the one who spends $20 to $25 dollars to see your shows... your making poor choices..... but yet you think your bettering the sport,, but your not |
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I Have a DC CASE with a 505 ! how much do I get to weigh? |
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Whinners
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Looks like the father and son team of Duke and Josh Harrington should have drove over to the meeting and looked at the facts instead of getting on here and bashing Outlaws. Better yet have coffee together and moan about how you lost an advantage. Just leave the crap off here if you were to good to go to the meeting but have all the answers. |
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Josh Harrington
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Well, I talked to Doug and Kurt before hand and decided not to go, because it was a waste of time. No one was changing there mind. Is it not a fact that John Deeres get a two hundred pound weight advange? I have spent the past five years , working and building my tractor. Lots of money time and effort has went in to it. Sometimes I was successful sometimes I was not. But now I have to be grandfathered in for a year? Why my tractor was legal in 2016 . My tractor was built for that class. Where is my guarantee , that if I to all the work to make my tractor legal that the rules won't be changed for 2019? Once again spent more money for nothing. If john Deeres or allis don't win with a 200 pound weight advantage , do we give them more weight ? What if a John Deere Or Allis wins every hook all season, do we handicap them? I not a believer in a class that gives someone an advantage escpecially when they are not in a maximuim . Do the work , spend the money or get left behind. After all the rest of us had to! By the way I sign my name to my post. Why don't you? |
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keep dreaming Oliver .. the price of admission is the tip included.... ... you don't want true tractor pulling fans there .. you want city people that come to 1 show
maybe a year lol that knows nothing about tractor ect oh look there is a blue one, and a red one.. look at that green one look he pulled it further than all those others... get real... simple set the weight for alky and diesel ... no need to favor one brand over another... why do you feel you have to handy cap other brands cause you cant compete at there level.... spend the money.. do the research, try different things to get to the next level... next you will be asking for the fans to just drop the money off at the gate.. and go back home.. why single out josh and duke.. cause they have good talking points that make sense.. I have never seen as many cry baby pissy pants in my life .. cause they pull green or some other color and cant get there act together....when you split this class into so many weight div because of brand its not a true lss class ...you have a lot of combination that you can build with... so what gate do you want me to leave my money at....not..... maybe you need to post some of this at the shows so your fans can just see how some of you really act.. then see if they want to tip lol.. oh that's right you want the fan that knows nothing.... |
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For real
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So Josh you hook maybe 2 or 3 times all year at an Outlaw event out of the 25 or so hooks they have. So your rules do not change as you get to weigh the same as last year and grandfathered means your long hood and turbos out front more than anybody else is allowed as long as you own the tractor. So now we are going to sell it and blame it on Outlaws because you have to give a John Deere and Allis Chalmers 200 more pounds. Get real, blame it on the farming economy or something, but Outlaws. Lol! |
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Josh Harrington
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I thought maybe you was my banker for a while ! lol Please get your facts straight I pulled with Outlaw X caliber eight times last summer. I did not get my pulling tractor out the shop , till late in the summer. Something about responsibility and work to be done before I could go play. Now I hear talks X caliber is going to follow outlaws. By the way hood the was a very expense piece to get outlawed after eight hooks. Dougs reasoning is he does not want all the tractors looking same. But you just spilt the beans on the real reason! Lol You guys see it being advangtage to a none John Deere guy and now we can not have that. It is funny my tractor was built in Dougs shop , with a MX 270 hood and that was fine. Keep defending Outlaws all you want but giving a John Deere an extra 200 pounds is a bunch of BS. I used to drink that Kool-Aid too. It gets bitter after a while! As I said before I sign my post. Why don't you? As far As my plans go I plan to step up a little. Really considering a light super with PPL. My number is 660-651-4347 if you are so bothered by comments call Ill explain to you the way I fill. |
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Pullinfan
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I for one completely understand Doug's reasoning here. The IH tractors have a definite advantage and the rules need to be adjusted to make it fair for all brands. All classes need to have rules that do not favor a single brand. Oh Just one question. When will the novel about the Prostock class come out? You know the one where we need to back the cubic inch limit down to 540 to give all brands an equal chance and ban all Big Block deeres? If were all about leveling the playing field for all brands that needs to be the next topic discussed! I mean a 619 john Deere is starting out with a 33% advantage that the IH doesn't have. When was the last time that an IH won the NTPA grand national points? |
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Horse gone
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That horse out of the barn 30 years ago. Now big blocks have took over the PS class except Outlaws. They evened up the competition with a turbo limit. I too are tired of all new tractors like Harts MF and the MM all having big block JD engines. Ruins it for me. At least Doug seen the problem with the PS class when Outlaws started the 4.1 class they didn't make the same mistakes. |
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Oliver
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I can see who was there and who wasn't based on these post. I am sure none of this makes sense to all of those that weren't there. I am still trying to make sense of why Kurt was there from PPL?. Overall the meeting was very interesting and probably went in a different direction then what most would of thought. Its very hard to explain with out Doug's novels that were handed out. Doug had done a lot of research and brought along a ton of parts to explain the whole reason for the need to vary the weights for the class. If you were there I think everyone would understand the WHY much better. For those that weren't it doesn't make sense at all I am sure. AS many have said before, the meeting was good and no real blow ups or strong arguments were made for any one cause. Could other things of been discussed and other ideas been brought up? I am sure, if YOU would of been there then YOU would of brought it up. Because you weren't there, we didn't discuss those options that many of you are speaking of. I guess if you had the better idea then you should of made the journey over there, otherwise you will have to sit back and watch the results this coming year and voice next fall what great ideas you all have. This is a LSS cast class. It has been a class that across the country has pretty much died or been limited to much less then what the OUTLAWS choose to run. The class is full of a variety of different brands of tractors which is why there is no one or two sizes fits all for this class. Again, if you were there you would of seen that from the presentations. The focus was mainly centered on getting guys more balanced on front end weight by keeping the cast in the rear of the tractor. Sure we could of looked at spacer plates, clutch cans etc. Then you have components. Think about this, you have guys running all sorts of setups in this class. Diesel vs. Alcohol. Limited Pro Stock turbos vs 3 and 4 turbo charged turbo motors. Red vs Green, vs Orange vs Blue, etc. There are more potential engine combinations in this class then any other.There are more color combinations in this class then any other. That is what makes this class so unique and at the same time a bit of challenge.I think fans love watching this class because of all the different engine combinations and the fact that you can see a tractor from time to time put twenty or thirty feet from time to time. That is something when you pull 350' + you are never going to get rid of. But by getting these guys front end weight up a little more, it should allow for some of these other guys who are trying to be more competitive in the class to be a bit more competitive. Is this going to fix everything in the class? Absolutely not, but an overwhelming of who were there felt like this was a good place to start. No other limitations were even discussed, so I would say that the class will be fine in 2017 and the show will be better as well. So, for those concerned about paying the price of admission I would say don't worry the price will be worth the show you are paying for. Heck you might even want to tip the gate people because it will be so much better then the year before. Lol |
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Explains it all
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It's amazing that people getting on here that didnt go to the meeting and mouth off like they know something. They need to read Dougs post then they may be more educated. Doug is one of the best minds in pulling from all aspects, rules; promoting, scheduling, you name it. Built Outlaws from nothing to the best association in pulling without Lucas Oil money and NTPA tradition. Look at all the rules he has made for Outlaws and others copy now. First to split diesel and alcohol class, first to have roll cages, reason components came along sooner than later, first to pull past 300 ft. First with floating finishes. Box turbos and other rules that made fair competition and saved us pullers money. Now look purses growing, end of season money, best pulling on TV, best events in the Midwest, 50 rookies last year while most associations are going backwards. Just keep bashing him and the next thing you know you are in his rear view mirror. |
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FACTS
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Facts this is pitiful what in the world has tractor pulling came to .Who would want to read Dougs post hes lost his mind no way could he be the best now this is the biggest joke of a cookie cutter class ever heard of if he was good he would spot the 6000 pound 5mph antique tractors 40 feet and give them 3000 pounds Just like his proposed llss rules plumb stupid Alzheimers has set in IF YOU CANT WIN MAKE NEW RULES BE PROUD LOOSERS WHAT A JOKE |
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cant believe the outlaw pulling association is doing very well with all this drama all the time. from a guy standing in the background it seems that leadership is what the meeting should have been about JMHO |
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this thread is going around in circles lets get to the point from a fans perspective whats the deal with ulmers are they in or out for 2017 in this class |
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Answer, sort of
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The answer to Ulmers being in or out, is up to them.
They know what they need to do to be legal. They even had the Ford housings they needed to get that tractor legal along with them. Ulmers actually helped during the "show and tell" portion of the meeting. They REAL story here is, if this doesn't work out, the cast rear light SS class is dead, except for local brush pulling. No cast LSS @ NTPA No cast LSS @ PPL |
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Ice boxes? Puller 2000's? Pro Pullers? |
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Registered: 02/24/2014 Posts: 62 |
Does that mean the pros tocks that are ruled by big block deer is going to give the red ones an advantage to keep up?? |
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