415ci Altered farm? March 05, 2017 03:14PM
Locally we have been talking about starting an 8500 415 cubic inch altered Farm. Looking for some opinions trying to keep it somewhat economical.

415ci pump tested with the exception of a pump tested 426 Allis Chalmers. Just trying to keep people from building 430ci and spending unnecessary money.

JD 404, Case 401, Ford 401, IH 414-407, AC 426.

A pump limit
No other injection of any type diesel fuel only

OEM manifolds single feed

Intercooled

Box stock sealed s369 Turbo

20.8-38 Max top cut tires

3000 RPM

And safety equipment.
Any ideas? Opinions?
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 05, 2017 09:56PM
There's class like that here in Ohio we run 6; 8 ;10 mph no safety equipment 18.4 38 tires because there cheaper and easier to find class really has grown in last couple years they don't have cube limit because speed limit you don't need make big power
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 05, 2017 11:48PM
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There's class like that here in Ohio we run 6; 8 ;10 mph no safety equipment 18.4 38 tires because there cheaper and easier to find class really has grown in last couple years they don't have cube limit because speed limit you don't need make big power

What part of Ohio are you located?
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 07, 2017 12:21AM
I believe he is referring to OSATPA out of Plain City, Ohio. Their altered farm class has a nice set of rules that would be one step up from antique level pulling.

OSATPA
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 07, 2017 11:20PM
Thanks for the info! I'll check them out.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 06, 2017 12:16AM
We have a class like that except we opted to stay at 410CI (base cubes) due to the fact that there will be know 400 series Ih motors no 4440 motors
and any thing that had more than an base cube of 410 in the end it ends up being a classic class JD 10 and 20 series IH 06 ,56 and 300 series 66 tractor and
than sprinkle in some small oliver and allis ( They wanted to keep the class to the na tractor that people put a add on turbo on that could not fit in to a farm stock class).
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 06, 2017 02:29AM
Do away with the A-pump rule that where it would drive price up. Alow any pump. Plenty of used p-3000 forsale cheap.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 06, 2017 02:30AM
You have a turbo limit that is good enough
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 06, 2017 02:36AM
Check out Indiana Pulling League rules for their very successful class.
This thread actually ties into my response in the "Hot Farm" thread. Read it, too.

All these people that talk about the next level of pulling usually seem to miss these classes as they are the real classes that are gaining immensely in popularity, both with pullers and spectators that want to watch an OEM tractor pull. The pullers are tired of the Farm Stock politics and looking for a class that offers standardized rules and thus less hassle at a pull. And these 2 classes put on a fine show with owners taking as much pride in appearance as the higher horsepower big name sanction body (NTPA, PPL, Outlaw) tractors.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 06, 2017 04:39AM
A 415 limit class would be a good one if there was enough interest. You would have to require the engines to be cubic inch checked especially if IH 414 engines are allowed. I agree, an A pump rule just drives the price of the class up. I would say to allow P pumps then everyone has enough fuel. With that size turbo, an A pump can be bought that has more than enough fuel anyways, so letting them run P pumps costs less and they are more reliable. Intercooled or water inj. is a good idea. This is a good class because you are limiting everyone with the same turbo. Some classes limit with fueling, then whoever spends the most to get the most fuel will win in a nutshell.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 14, 2017 03:19AM
Because the turbo is about the same cost and probably close to 100 more horse than the 2.3 is my guess.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 06, 2017 04:58AM
We did similar 410 with any pump 3000rpm 38 inch rubber and a box turbo sfi clutch
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Re: 426 class??? March 08, 2017 12:57AM
So your going to let the 426 into a 415 class??? WTF!!! why the hell dont you just call it a 426 class????
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Re: 426 class??? March 08, 2017 09:41AM
There are not very many 426 AC tractors running and we do not want guys building up to 430 cubic inch. All tractors in this class will be cubic inch checked. The turbo limit should limit the fuel needed so we are trying to avoid building another p-pump class in this area. The tractor I run is a 401 so this is not to help me just add tractors.
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Re: 426 class??? March 08, 2017 11:40AM
If you are that afraid of a Allis having more cubic inch you son need to go back to the drawing board
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Re: 426 class??? March 10, 2017 12:51PM
At the meeting we had no one there was running an AC 426 but everybody agreed to let it in to include all colors and no one was concerned about its cubic-inch advantage. We are just hoping to have a 10 + tractor class by the end of the year. I do not believe we screwed the rules to create an advantage for any particular tractor.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 08, 2017 12:28PM
Don't think that's the intention at all ; small cap size ?
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 10, 2017 01:13PM
In my opinion there is no need for inner cooler or water. Just wasted money
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 11, 2017 12:26AM
A lot of Farm stock tractors around here are making 400+HP and several of the tractors already running open farm have coolers on them. We would like this class to be above the current Farm stock and hopefully pull some of the hotter tractors with pumps and other stuff already done out of farm stock.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 13, 2017 08:19AM
Check out tri-state limited hot farm on facebook. They have a decent set of rules only think I wish was different was a 505 ci limit.t think the 415 ci limit will not allow a lot of the tractors to move up. Still going to be a red green show.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 13, 2017 05:19PM
I like the box turbo rule. Why the large turbo? I see IH 466 s running road gear with an S360 (2.3") at 14500#. With an S360 or S362 that solves the fuel system issue. No pump checking and people can run any fuel system. Also cuts the turbo $ in half. Promotes growth.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 15, 2017 03:53AM
The s369 is very comparable in price. And most of the guys talking about coming to this class are already running a 2.6 or larger charger. And like in most cases not many of them want to lose power. Most of these tractors will probably still pull in some of open Farm classes and want to stay competitive.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? March 15, 2017 06:12AM
Just go with a s360 or if you go s369 let them put a slug in down to 2.3 , so the guys with the 369 can just pull the slug out and pull where they already pull. With the air limited, remove pump rule so people don't have to buy 7500 dollar A-pump.
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? August 03, 2017 04:25PM
How is this class doing? I see it advertised as a 429 CU IN class now and one tractor running a 474 cu in Genisis engine? I have watched the class and only see 3 tractors? Just curious and confused.Thanks
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Re: 415ci Altered farm? August 08, 2017 12:48PM
Ben thanks for your opinion we knew this class would be difficult to start being that the rules are nowhere near any other rules in the area. The cubic inch limit is as stated at the top. I know where you saw the 429 and you know that was not in any type of rule that was somebody posting. You know all the people in the class so if you have a problem with something or a question you could come ask!
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