07:13:40pm, Thursday, May 02, 2024
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Ford 4000 vs 5000 for LLSS
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Adam555
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I know this question has probably been asked a few times on here but which rear end and transmission would be best a 4000 or a 5000 for a ford llss running on diesel, 3x3 turbo, 470 cubes. Thanks |
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LEWIS
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A 5000 Why 3x3 |
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Adam555
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Lewis if I read the rules correctly midsouth requires a 3x3. |
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Registered: 10/02/2009 Posts: 39 |
what weight you gonna be running |
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Adam555
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Travis it'll be 6000. |
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Registered: 10/02/2009 Posts: 39 |
the 5000 is stronger but harder to get movable weight. the alky guys are breaking a few axles on 4000 and really need to use a profab or atlas tranny box with them. i believe midsouth is using the national rules which is 3.4 turbo but im not certain on that |
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Registered: 10/28/2010 Posts: 42 |
5000 is stronger, the engine combo you use can be a big difference in weight, if using a truck motor it will be close to 6000 without much movable weight that engine is heavy, will have to be weight minded on everything you do to make it lite enough. |
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not understanding...
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.....but I don't understand.............. don't all the gurus in this class preach about how 6000 is already too heavy...should be 5500?!?! Isn't lighter better? I'm dead sure I remember someone on here saying put those "heavy chassis" in the class they belong in? And use a Pro Fab trans? Isn't that just like a component? Oooops...I just used the evil "C" word, we can't have that because it's an evil thing!! Way better off butchering the living crap out of cast to make it unsafe but make weight.
Yes kids, that was a heavy dose of sarcasm. Proof that the class should be 6500 and you'd have more "cast chassis" available. But by all means, keep it a Farmall 460 class....because "that's the way it has always been". |
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Registered: 10/02/2009 Posts: 39 |
that dead horse has been beaten. this thread is for a guy wanting info. No sense in turning it into a weight debate |
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funny
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Funny.....because you're the one who brought up moveable weight and a profab/atlas trans..... "the 5000 is stronger but harder to get movable weight. the alky guys are breaking a few axles on 4000 and really need to use a profab or atlas tranny box with them".......
.....and the next guy corroborated you by cmpounding the weight issue with block choice. You guys crack me up......you'll spend as much as it takes to build a component on modifying a cast rear.........makes all the sense in the world. |
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Registered: 10/02/2009 Posts: 39 |
im not defending the weight either way. i was simply saying it looks like the weight will be staying at 6000 and this guy is asking for input, not a weight debate. everyone seems to have a chip on there shoulder anytime someone responds to something. i was simply giving the guy the facts the way the rules are at the moment. always funny how you guys put these smarta** remarks on here but wont post under your names |
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Registered: 02/19/2009 Posts: 526 |
Not defending anyone here, but Travis the guy is dead nuts on . Grinding anything out makes it weaker, so why push the safety factor. David Runkle class rep for Badger State LLSS class. 815-821-4686 |
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Registered: 10/02/2009 Posts: 39 |
Mr. Runkle dont take this the wrong way but to be honest i dont care if your defending any one position or not. Im not defending either position. I was only telling the guy his options for the weight he is building for. Im a diesel guy, I wouldnt mind seeing more weight but the bottom line is Im pretty sure its not gonna change in this area. |
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Registered: 04/06/2016 Posts: 126 |
Adam555 do you contact info? I have parts pieces or a tractor sitting I will part with. |
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LEWIS
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If you go coon hunting the weapon of choice would be a 22 if bear hunting you would choose say a 303,So not understanding choose your weapon well and you wont have to grind out any cast your not going to get your component ford in this class any time soon stay in SS |
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Adam555
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I forgot to mention that I'm on a tight budget. I appreciate everyone's response. I really hope I can get this ball rolling soon. JJJ if I had that kind of money laying around I'd definitely consider. Thanks |
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to adam
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If you are on a tighter budget the 5000 would be a better choice. Just be very weight conscious with the rest of your build. |
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Adam555
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Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks |
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Adam555
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Southern Tn |
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Registered: 04/06/2016 Posts: 126 |
That's a little far from me. I wish you well.
Find someone in your area and help them out would be my advise. If you are on a budget something to think about each time I take out the antique it is $200. That tractor get plugs and oil changed once a year along with routine maintenance. |
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Registered: 04/06/2016 Posts: 126 |
What area are you located at? |
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LEWIS
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IF YOUR ON A BUDJET YOU BETTER BE THINKING OF GOING ALCOHOL AND A CUMMINS THEN WEIGHT WONT BE AN ISSUE |
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We run a 5000 rear with a atlas trans. The transmissions are weak on these. The 5000 may be heavy for a diesel. If money is the issue I recommend going alcohol |
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Registered: 08/03/2018 Posts: 13 |
Why is weight an issue with a diesel? |
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LEWIS
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Your going to be 470 cubes instead of 370 you can use a 40i istead of a 474 or 456 or you can loose 300 pounds by going Cummins,Now a complete alcohol fuel system cost nothing compared to diesle .But do what you want we love smoke If your not stuck on a Ford i have a scrap irion price project i will sell cheap frame and rear end set up[ for a cummins and can be changed to anything aggco 270 566 2901 Already sold the engibe the rest needs to go |
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Lewis you got any of those helm steering units for sale ? |
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LEWIS
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I have one for 125,00 give me a call |
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Registered: 08/03/2018 Posts: 13 |
Leaning towards diesel, have thought about a 401 with a genesis head. What would be some area's to lose weight? Also what about the 5000 transmission, how well will it hold up? Thanks |
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LEWIS
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Go for it but the price of the pump lines and injecters and turbo it would take to even get a sniff in the class will cost a fortune not counting the expense of parts to get the diesel to stay together.In other words theirs no way to build a diesle on a budget I wish there were ive had 4 on alcohol and would have loved to blow smoke with one but couldnt get past the price of the injector pump |
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Registered: 08/03/2018 Posts: 13 |
Educate me a little on the alky fuel system. What pump, nozzles, and the other basics. |
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Registered: 04/15/2008 Posts: 35 |
Sent ya a PM |
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Re: Ford 4000 vs 5000 for LLSS
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Ford wannabe
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Put 1/2 gears in the 5000 transmission and you will be fine. If you want a diesel, go for it. I would use a 474 instead of the 401. |
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Registered: 08/03/2018 Posts: 13 |
Explain the half gears a little more please. |
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to adam
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Half gears is just a gearset that goes in the place of low range. High range stays the same and low range then basically is a half gear faster than it's high range equivalent. |
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Registered: 08/03/2018 Posts: 13 |
So fourth in low would be faster than eighth in high. Some of this is clear as mud. |
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to Adam
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Yes it would be a half gear faster |
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Registered: 08/03/2018 Posts: 13 |
What makes a Cummins a legal engine for a ford? |
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Re: Ford 4000 vs 5000 for LLSS
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puller
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New Holland had several models that ran Cummins engines |
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