thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 01:08PM
My thoughts would be a 4500 pound class based on utility model tractors 4 cyl and llss type rules.a alcohol turbo 165 MF would look sharp going down the track.any other suggestions

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 01:18PM
We’ve talked about it before but it never goes any further I believe there would be a lot of interest if a few were built but there’s nowhere to run them I would like to see a four cylinder diesel class using a mini rod chassis with sheet metal but start out with simple rules and give everyone a chance to be able to afford it we don’t need it to be a grand national class you might be surprised maybe some kids would get involved
It would be more interesting to them than antiques

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 01:24PM
there are some three cyl.DIESEL smaller frame tractors out there,running very "HOT".

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 01:27PM
Would a tractor at that weight need a smaller sled in order to put on a good show? If so that could be an issue for venues having to rent two sleds. I know back in the day we even had issues at times at 5200 lbs, not often but it did happen.

S'no Farmer

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 01:32PM
Quote
S'no Farmer
Would a tractor at that weight need a smaller sled in order to put on a good show? If so that could be an issue for venues having to rent two sleds. I know back in the day we even had issues at times at 5200 lbs, not often but it did happen.

S'no Farmer

No but it takes some effort on the sled operators part to lighten the pan up so stuff at that weight can get it going. We pull 4300 lb two wheel drive trucks down south that do pretty good. Need a decent track but we can get 25+ mph.

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 01:45PM
Just a thought, I know that the sleds run in the south are different now than what we pulled years ago.

S'no Farmer

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 18, 2019 03:30PM
There is a 4BT powered one in Iowa.
Bad ass !!!
There are some around.
When Dale Quamme had NGTPA going he had a set of rules for a "Compact Diesel" class.
He was building a Ford/New Holland type compact diesel.
This class is a popular talking point, HOWEVER,,,,, it is JUST like the LLSS class.
Everyone has their own ideas of what should be allowed.
And each of them is right! You just ask!!!
On the sled question,,,,,,, you do in FACT need a smaller sled to put on a show!
Mini Rod sled is perfect.
A big sled, with the pan tires down for 50 to 75 feet to let the sled get going is phony as heck!

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 19, 2019 01:57PM
A lot of the sleds here in ky that run the BOB pulls TNT ktpa and others also hook the antique classes with 4500 pound wd45s and such so the sled shouldnt be A PROBLEM anyone interested in KY it could happen
Yes if someone is thinking a 4bt and 2500 pounds it wouldnt work im thinkig 4500 23.1 26 tires or something in that order box turbo 250 cubes alcohol or diesel utility models only



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/19/2019 02:07PM by Lewis Conner.

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 20, 2019 10:13AM
Here is a quote from another thread
Quote
Skunkworks
Heres the club in Wisconsin's rules:
Pro Stock Compact Diesel Tractor Division:
1)All Tri-County Pullers general rules and safety rules for the Open Division apply except as noted below.
2)Maximum weight 2300 lbs.
3)Single engine with a maximum of 250 cubic inches
4)This class is for stock appearing tractors with full hood, grill and side panels. Must be recognizable as an actual modern production compact tractor or small farm tractor. Hood and grill can be from a different make that engine/frame/rear end.
5)Engine must be compression ignition and use #2 Diesel Fuel* only. No spark plugs or alcohol as a fuel.
6)Hitch height up to 15 inches allowed
7)Engine must be commercially produced with at least 1000 units built. Engine block must have factory casting model and serial numbers visible. O.E.M. block cannot be altered in any way externally except for normal repair or for mounting fuel injection pumps.
8)Maximum of 4 cylinders
9)May be liquid or air cooled.
10)No belt driven cooling fans. Electric fans only.
11)O.E.M. head for that make/model engine only. No billet or aftermarket heads. No overhead cams. Maximum of 2 valves per cylinder. Injectors must remain in stock location.
12)No billet injector pumps. No electronic or common rail injection systems.
13)Tractors are allowed a single (1) turbo charger with any manifold modifications necessary to mount the turbocharger. Manifold pressure may be a single stage only.
14)Turbocharger must be single shaft fixed vane type. No variable vane turbochargers allowed. No inlet or outlet size restrictions.
15)Turbo must be fitted with a shutdown guillotine on the compressor inlet side of the turbo.
16)Turbochargers not under the hood will be completely shrouded with steel .060” or thicker, except for inlet and exhaust pipes. Turbochargers under fiberglass hoods must be shrouded, except for the inlet and outlet pipes, with .060” steel or thicker under the area of the fiberglass.
17)No wastegates or pressure reliefs of any kind permitted. All compressed air to enter the intake manifold.
18)All turbocharged engines are required to have one cable that must surround the engine block and head. This cable shall be located between the first and second cylinder through the exhaust manifold port area. The cable will be a minimum of 5/16” thick with two (2) clamps at the splice. The cable should allow for approximately 4” of slack.
19)Water injection will be allowed. Must be plain water or water with water soluble lube only. Combustible agents (alcohol, oxygenators, etc.) are NOT allowed in water injection.
20)No intercoolers or after coolers
21)No propane, nitrous injection or any type of secondary fuel system of any kind will be permitted.
22)Any stock appearing frame rail or tube frame is permitted. Tube frame must be covered with sheet metal.
23)Full metal side panels to cover engine area. Minimum .060” steel or aluminum
24)All inline engines are required to have an additional inner side shield consisting of .125” (1/8”) thick steel or titanium OR .250” (1/4”) aluminum inside of the current .060” steel or aluminum side panels with a minimum of .500” (1/2”) air gap. This shield is to be independent of the side panels and must be solidly attached at the top and bottom (4 point total minimum) with a minimum of 5/16” fasteners. This shield must extend from the bottom of the head to the centerline of the crankshaft and extend the full length of the block on each side of the engine.
25)All tractors must have a fuel shut-off AND an air shut off mounted in the drivers’ compartment and within reach of the driver. Fuel shut off must return fuel to tank or loop back to pump.
26)Kill switch device mounted on rear of tractor must disconnect power to the electric fuel pump along with activating turbocharger guillotine.
27)Clutch and bell housing rules to be the same as the EconoMod division
28)Automatic transmission shielded with 3/16” steel or 6 belt blanket from end of block to tail shaft. All other block adapters shielded by 3/06 steel the width of the adapter.
*Diesel only with a dielectric value of no greater than 4.9 or less than 2.2
The dielectric meter shall use Cyclohexane to establish zero reference point in determining all diesel fuel dielectric constant values. The use of additives containing oxygen, such as nitro methane, propylene oxide, dioaxane, MTBE, alcohol (methanol, ethanol etc.) or nitrous oxide is prohibited.
If you have any questions about these rules please email tri-countypullersinc@live.com

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 20, 2019 10:18AM
How many of those have been built
I would be interested and know of others that would be but we’re not in Wisconsin

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 20, 2019 01:59PM
Your 2300 pounds would be good for the lawn mower pulls not tractor pulls We aint talking Mid west Super Cubs hereThis class would have to be heavy enough to hook the big sleds with know special treatment a extra lawn sled wont happen through 2000 more pounds to those rules and add alcohol and it might work for a class that could pull anywere

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 20, 2019 11:24AM
here are some rules that would be a fun 4 cylinder class

5000 lb
260 cubic inch max - massey , ford, ih, deere, allis, all have engines to fit this class
3500 rpm diesel
open rpm gas - maybe im not sure on this
2.5 charger
A-pump max
intercooler allowed
stock heads only
home made manifolds allowed
safety equipment 2 bar cage steel flywheel blanket etc.

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 20, 2019 02:14PM
Quote
perkins man
here are some rules that would be a fun 4 cylinder class

5000 lb
260 cubic inch max - massey , ford, ih, deere, allis, all have engines to fit this class
3500 rpm diesel
open rpm gas - maybe im not sure on this
2.5 charger
A-pump max
intercooler allowed
stock heads only
home made manifolds allowed
safety equipment 2 bar cage steel flywheel blanket etc.

Couple of my thoughts:
I’d drop the charger limit, A-pump, and rpm limit. Then it would really open up performance. Modern day A-pumps put out just as much fuel as p-pumps, just cost a lot more. 2.5 charger can be tough to tech, map groove width, clipped wheels, protrusion, etc. And I can’t see any Diesel at 3500rpm keeping up with an open rpm gas

Re: thoughts on a neat new class September 20, 2019 02:45PM
fair enough

the class weight
cubic inch
intercoolers
and any manifolds allowed are the things i would want

could make the turbo rule a smooth bore i guess ..

Author:

Subject:


Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically. If the code is hard to read, then just try to guess it right. If you enter the wrong code, a new image is created and you get another chance to enter it right.
Message:
Website Statistics
Global: Topics: 38,629, Posts: 229,692, Members: 3,325.
This forum: Topics: 37,067, Posts: 225,900.

Our newest member JD_8520