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Coronavirus aid legislation
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Congressuyyyv
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Did anyone just see what Pelosi and Schumer just did. They stopped the federal aid to all Americans from the Chinese Virus economic devastation. By stalling this legislation they all but determined total collapse of our economy. Wonder why they would play politics is such a worldwide crisis?
Must have something to do with an certain election coming up here in this country. Naw they wouldn’t do that. In such a devastating time for all Americans they would really rather have our economy crashed than concede an election. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2020 02:18PM by Jake Morgan. |
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What I know
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They are holding out to give the bulk of the money to the middle class and not to the rich. They are looking to increase SS by $200 a week and help working families. They will meet in the middle soon. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2020 02:18PM by Jake Morgan. |
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You mean,.....
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The democrats want money to give the illegals. The republicans said no to that. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2020 02:18PM by Jake Morgan. |
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What I know 2
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No they are holding out because they want a bunch of bull crap pork, hidden in the bill like they always do, and did with obama care. That's why they are holding out. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2020 02:19PM by Jake Morgan. |
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It amazes me how they can never just write a bill with what the bill is about without trying to hide all the other things that they want that they know will never get passed otherwise. Too much corruption in the political arena! Time to vote them out and vote in term limits to not exceed what the highest office is. 8 years max. 4 or 6 would be better. Let's vote them out in November! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2020 02:31PM by Jake Morgan. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
I split this to a separate topic because aid to Americans is a separate issue. I know it's not pulling related but it's my page and I'm going to let it stay since these topics are the biggest thing to ever happen in our lifetime.
As for a bailout... I'm not sure where I stand on it yet. Our gov doesn't have the money to send out. They make money by taking ours. There are three ways for the US to continue to give out money:
We have a spending problem... Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump have spent us to the edge of disaster. We just can't seem to curb spending and it will ruin us. It's like being between a rock, a hard place, and a cliff. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,349 |
Jake, as a conservative commentator you would have heard of noted, payments by the federal government are warranted in this case. It's one thing if a business or industry makes poor decisions or it's business model becomes obselete (Sears for example).
In this case, the government itself has mandated the closing or severe curtailing of businesses in a number of sectors. A case could be made that the states should bear some (or most) financial responsibility since the closings are more a result of state action than federal action, but since the guidance from both feds and states is now largely the same (in large part), from a practical perspective the feds will bear the brunt. Unfortunately, with printing of money comes inflation. That $5,000 pulling part from 2019 could be $7,000 or $8,000 in 2021. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2020 03:05PM by The Original Michael. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
I'm not saying payments aren't warranted. I'm just saying I don't know where the money will come from. I'm also not sure if printing money is the rock, the hard place or the cliff. My gut says the cliff.
Yes, inflation is the negative, hyperinflation is also a potential... printing money didn't' work out great for the Weimar Republic or Venezuela. Modern Monetary Theory (printing more and more money) is a very, very slippery slope that we've been going down for a little while (QE1, QE2, and QE3) and it will catch up with us. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Yep
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You print too much money and a loaf of bread could cost $100.00...We are in times like that have never been seen before and its not all an accident.. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,523 |
Wonder why there hasn't been a peep about the virus in russia,i havent heard one word.youde think as much as the dems talk about Putin they're be praising him for stopping the virus at thier border |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,152 |
Russia has no corona deaths - just had a 30 % increase in flu death last month already, arrested some folks and Putin is suddenly building hospitals outside of Moscow....  Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,152 |
Now even Putin admitted it and sent everybody on vacation for a week... Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Registered: 03/26/2008 Posts: 496 |
Jake and TOM, dang, can't we just have a political jabbing and emotional anti-Democrat, anti-Republican rant on here?? Geesh! Quit being so rational! lol. BTW, most spending bills originate in the HR, not the Senate, so if you don't see this as a political ploy by McConnel-well I don't know what to say. Any plan is complicated and will have consequences that will be prevelant for quite a time. Hyperinflation/economic collapse/recession/depression--how does it get resolved? I was all for the idea of sending checks to families (although I am sure I would not get one), but the bill to do that passed out money to big corporations with little restrictions on how they would use it. Therein lies a problem with that scenario--how to make the corps responsible to use the money for it's intended purpose and not for stock buybacks and executive bonuses What would a one or two time payment do for all families--especially for families who will not have their work curtailed--why do they get a bonus when John down the street really needed help because he lost his income? Probably not much or just more dissension. Because we are a federal system, an equitable way would be for the government to allocate funds to the state's unemployment systems and the states dole out the help to those that need it based on need (there would need to be a plan for those entrepreneurs who aren't registered with state's UIA). Then, if the federal government wants to "bail" out or loan funds to businesses, then do that separately so there is accountability. regardless of any plans, there must be bipartisanship and it must be done in a timely manner--I know those two ideas are contradictory! Let's just hope that cooler heads prevail, we citizens do what we need to do to beat this--we WILL and can get back to some sort of "old" normalcy. Oh, and "patches", Russia does have COVID-19. It is in the news. JW |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 633 |
Jim,
I would agree that the big corps should have rules of engagement so to speak but at the same time putting stuff like jetliner emissions, different voting rules,incentives for solar and wind power, stronger collective bargaining laws well as much unnecessary pork at this time in history is uncalled for. You might think that both side would be a little more in tune with what the citizens need as opposed to their dream legislation at this time. BTW the big corps are suffering a very similar fate as small businesses and for the same reasons not to mention the fact that they employ millions. Their survival is a critical need also. S'no Farmer |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
I agree, it's the ridiculous pork that get jammed in these bills that is killing this country. Both sides do it, and the trend is to write a bill that's 20,000 pages long with the hope that nobody can read all of it. Currently, the only way to change it is to vote out incumbents and send a message, but we all know that won't happen because everyone just keeps voting "D" or "R" because we don't want our party to lose power. We're stuck with it because we allow it. We need a Convention of States to limit the governments power and to send a message that we're sick of the BS. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 06/25/2008 Posts: 66 |
Or give the president line item veto power. |
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I agree with Jake! We need term limits and to eliminate special interests groups and lobbyists! That's what has ruined our country! Look how many senators and congressmen, are multi millionaires! They went Into office with practically nothing and live a life of luxury and have millions to spare! Also, they should have to live by the laws they make like the rest of us do, and have to pay for the same worthless health insurance that we are subjected to as well. If they did, they would never write half of the laws they do, because they dont want to live by their own rules they make. That would be awful now wouldn't it? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2020 01:01AM by Jake Morgan. |
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Registered: 04/04/2016 Posts: 110 |
The House was on "Spring Break" that's why McConnel and the Senate took the lead, time is of the essence, least not to the Left!
BB |
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Registered: 03/26/2008 Posts: 496 |
In reference to my comment two days ago on the House generating spending bills--I stand corrected: Article 1, Section 7, All Bills for RAISING revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.......
JW |
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Registered: 02/21/2012 Posts: 797 |
For those of you who think that hiding additional provisions in a bill is just a Democrat thing--try again. It is a political tactic employed by both parties. It's just a part of the "game", sadly.
The same goes for those political memes you see floating around. There's one about how long Schumer and Pelosi have been in office, but it neglects the fact that McConnell has served in the Senate since 1984--five years longer than I have been alive. Both sides have their positives and their negatives. Don't fool yourself. Anything your opponents do, your party (probably) does too. John Murray Two-time Pedal Pull World Champion Let's Go Pulling, covering the sport of pulling in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama. Watch LGP on YouTube Like LGP on Facebook 
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,526 |
Well said John, they are two sides of the same coin. Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Just to clarify, I did not mention either political party in my previous post. I stated that there was too much corruption in the political arena. I agree that both sides do it. That's why we need term limits. These corrupt politicians have become filthy rich getting their pockets lined by all the special interest groups feeding them. This all needs to stop! The majority of politicians in office as we speak, care nothing about any of us except for election time. Its time to vote them out and let them know that We the people are in charge. That's all I got to say on this matter. Be safe all! |
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Interesting, this is the last place I’d expect to see anyone complaining about not issuing government handouts quick enough. Sounds like socialism to me, or even worse, irresponsible corporate cronyism. |
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truck puller
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Looks like some people are starting to see how communist this country really is. The media does everything they can to try and crash the economy which doesn't work. So the government force shuts down all small business to purposely crash the economy for absolutely no reason at all. This is the government trying to take control 100% control of this country with building up fake chaos. Some people say Bernie sanders is a democratic socialist or communist but the real facts are he has never accomplished anything towards that in his career. But Trump and other republicans seem to be moving 100% towards accomplishing these policies a very short period of time. Its has not hit the news yet but factories have already issued state permits to all employees to be allowed to travel to work. If you do not have a state issued permit you will be fine and arrested. |
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plum krazy
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Like Dick says, - do you think our government controls the world and Italian deaths too? Get real people we all have contributed to this kind of problem with running to the dr. for every little scratch and sneeze, Look at the Ag. world with resistant weeds, resistant rats and mice, flies and others.Never been a plus in Life without a minus, never will be. |
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RDH
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We need to stop relying on other countries!! Why is everything we use on a daily basis from our socks to cell phones to our pills manufactured in another country. We need to be self reliant!!!!! |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,449 |
Hopefully this will change how our manufacturing is done for the US market. However the harsh reality is that we go to Walmart and want to pay $8 for a toaster. We are used to buying low priced junk. Until, we as country change our buy habits profit will win over patriotism. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Not only do we need to be less reliant on other countries we need to be less reliant on the grocery store. We need more folks able to grow their own vegetables, butcher their own meat and make their own sausage, brew our own beer, make our own bread and can or own vegetables. We’ve gotten lazy and spoiled. Folks needs to start moving out of the cities and back to rural America where our roots are. |
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Festus Haggin
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And kids need to be raised on a farm like it use to be done, kids nowdays dont have a clue how their food becomes food, i grew up on a farm and was lucky enough to have parents and grandparents that dairy farmed an grew a garden, we always had plenty, i plowed my first field when i was in 3rd grade by myself, most kids nowdays aint got a clue how to mow the grass, their idea of food is momma woll go to Krogers or we'll go thru the drivethru window at McDonalds, as Hank Jr said " A Country Boy Will Servive " !!!! A whole lot of truth in that !!!! |
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Despicable Law Makers
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Back on topic, here you will see what some lawmakers are concerned with during a time of crisis. Instead of trying to do something to help the crisis at hand. They refuse to do what's right instead try to get legislation passed in a crisis situation that otherwise would never get passed. Wake up people let's make a stand in November! Here's the link. This is not fake news. Look up HR 5717. Not good what some are trying to do to disarm the American law abiding people. They fear the people, that's why they are trying tirelessly to disarm us. And to try this during a time of crisis is nothing but despicable! Be safe and vote to protect our constitution in November.
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Do you seriously think that would make it thru the senate and that trump would sign it? We’ve got plenty more pressing matters that are much more realistic. |
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Registered: 03/27/2008 Posts: 1,152 |
"Why is everything we use on a daily basis from our socks to cell phones to our pills manufactured in another country"
Basically - because you, as a country, consume much more than you actually produce. Floating Finish - the German Tractor Pulling Web Show and EU Live Streams: [www.youtube.com] |
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Maybe Mitch should have invited the left to help structure the bill in the first place? No one thought that might have been a viable option? Whine about them not playing along when you locked them out of everything from the start? And the left is just as corrupt and dirty. We're the dumbasses that sit here and take it. Already threw $1,500,000,000,000 at the markets and every industry begging for a handout. Where's their savings account at? How come they can payout huge bonuses and dividends for years and now they're broke in weeks? And then we have to bail them out. Again. Its garbage. Big business runs it all. And it will until the people do something about it. |
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Working from home
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To me, this just shows how political this country has truly become. Yes, it’s been going on for decades, both sides of the aisle. This just shows the disconnect from the Senate and House from Americans. None of them learned anything from the election of Donald Trump. The spotlight is shining on “the swamp” right now. If legislators wanted to change that, now would be a really good time. The Democrats have little to nothing to lose here. They can say, “We backed our Republican colleagues in a time of national crisis for the good for our country.” If this package goes well, they can hang their hat that they did their job and met in the middle, if does not, they can then blame the Republicans for not drawing up the proper bill.
A side note. I’ve flipped between the major cable news networks this morning (CNN,MSNBC, FOX NEWS). One station has listed “the pork” injected into bill, the other two have not. I’m sure everyone knows which network that is. News media, and I use the label of “news” lightly, have an obligation to try to bring the country together, don’t they? Americans are mostly on edge at this point. I’m thinking that pouring gasoline on a burning inferno of panic and uncertainty should be called out. While a lot of people sometimes brush off the President’s tweets, I do appreciate on occasion he takes aim at these networks during press conferences. God bless our country. I hope we’re all able to return to some normalcy in our lives soon. It’s going to feel so good that first time we get to our first pull......whenever that will happen. |
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Mike P, that's exactly I was talking about! These people are in another world, while we are dealing with a crisis, all they are worried about are things that have no bearing on the crisis at hand, and trying to sneak their crap into law. No I do not think, and I hope they would never allow such radicalism to become law, but look what they did with obama care! There is so much garbage in that bill, it took literally thousands of pages to hide it all in there.
Grubby, IF indeed, the Dems were "locked out", Its probably because they dont have the brains to draft up a common sense bill! Just look at some of the garbage that they Introduce as evidence of that! As for corruption on both sides, I do believe it definitely exists! I also am not in favor of just giving big corporations bailouts without paying that bailout money back to the people! That money should not be used to buy out smaller companies to expand their own business like many of the banks did back in the last big bailout. ALL BAILOUT MONEY SHOULD BE PAID BACK WITH INTREST. I am a small business owner, The only bailout I have ever got was get off my own butt and get out and bail myself out. I don't agree with the People rescuing Any Business, especially when that company is not being responsible for their own poor business decisions. President Trump already wants to put provisions in the aid to prevent companies from using the aid to buy back stock options that they sold or lost during the downturn. I agree, may God Bless our Country and our people! I cannot wait to feel that first chain come tight to indicate to the sled operator I'm ready to get it on! Be safe yall, God Bless |
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Registered: 02/21/2012 Posts: 797 |
Senator John Kennedy said it best:
"The brain is an amazing organ. It starts working in a mother’s womb & it doesn’t stop working until you get elected to Congress.” "This country was founded by geniuses but is being run by a bunch of idiots." John Murray Two-time Pedal Pull World Champion Let's Go Pulling, covering the sport of pulling in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama. Watch LGP on YouTube Like LGP on Facebook
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plum krazy
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Yes, - they are all money hungry power and control mongrels, and we allow it to continue,nothing will be done until they start to tax the rich, - then look at heads roll. We allow "pork barrellin"g, Lobbyist what do we expect.With political correctness we lost commonsense and wisdom. |
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Notice how there is zero discussion on either side about whether or not to spend the 2 or 3 trillion we don’t have. It’s only about who’s gonna get it. At the same time they’re telling us all to get back to work. The corporations have take over. |
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Re: Legislation & Future
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Paul Harvey
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If you find an extra moment and want to listen to someone who every farmer would listen to at lunch time in the 1960's , 70's and 80's was Paul Harvey. I stumbled on to one of this recordings on Youtube the other day. Wow !!! How could Paul Harvey have this much insight of what could happen in the future?? Go to YouTube and type in "PAUL HARVEY FREEDOM TO CHAINS 1965 (BEST VERSION)" I found it very interesting ! |
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Dreamer
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When I read the bill I see that most of the money to business is supposed to be a loan. Not sure if they are low interest or no interest loans. Time will tell if they ever pay it back. Most likely they will figure out how to steal the money |
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