Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 27, 2009 02:09PM
What combination is the yellow pro-stock diesel truck running that is sponsored by cat? is it DT and how many cubes and charger size and pump? sounds about like a prostock tractor. video on pullingdepot
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 27, 2009 02:40PM
Last I heard it has a billet block with a worked over OEM 12V cummins head, a 2 stage HX82 turbo combo. Gotta love a Cat truck with a, dodge/cummins motor, ford body!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 29, 2009 03:23PM
Don't know for sure about the billet block, but it does have a worked over 12V Head, custom built intake, exhaust headers, twin turbo 2 stage setup. and they have used a couple differant pumps. They tried a Nippendenso 14MM P, and I think thry may be running a Sigma, or a Biilet 15 or 16MM P now, not sure. They also run profab tranny, and drop box. The truck is hard to beat and there are complete build pictures on their website. All my info might not be correct as I know they have tried a few differant things, but it is a nice piece of work.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 29, 2009 04:04PM
All of the above is correct. Its a billet block running a "stock crank" or one that my look stock anyway. Bottom of the block is custom in that there are no induvidual main caps but the whole bottom of the block is one piece holding down the crank. There where some pictures of it in one of the last diesel power magazines. He is running a stock cast head and twins with a sigma right now. Erik Stacey in the Smokya truck is running billet block, billet head, sigma and 3 chargers in a compound setup. Its a pretty crazy truck also.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 29, 2009 06:42PM
Has any body saw the new truck that I think Scheid is doing it is black with blue lightning on it and has a 12 cylinder P Pump delivering almost 1000ccs of fuel to each custom injector. You talkin about trick. You figure that up it's close to 6000ccs of fuel. Ridiculously insane.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 30, 2009 01:33AM
You really don't have a clue what you are talking about do you?
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 30, 2009 04:00AM
And lssmoline is complaining about all the keyboard pullers on another post....
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 30, 2009 05:01AM
i actually seen the scheid truck in a mag, yes it does have a 12 cylinder p-pump on it has two lines going to each injector, no it is not 6000 cc's. and yes llssmoline talks a whoe lot on alot of boards.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 30, 2009 05:20AM
12 cylinder p pumps have been around for a long time. I remember seeing one at NFMS years ago on a 466 deere at someone booth.

Is llssmoline the same guy thats been on the ytmag forum asking all kinds of dumb moline questions?
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 31, 2009 11:17AM
Thats what the board is for totalk to other pullers. I have been in the sport and building tractors forover 15 years and am pretty sure that I know a good deal about pulling and tractorsin general, I've been around them all of my ife, and I am sick of keyboard pullers talking sh!t. Man you got my number, and I'll drive where ever. Don't really care. I am sick off this sh!t. IT WAS IN A MAG AND IT DOES SAY IT DELIVERS CLOSE TO 1000ccs per cylinder.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 31, 2009 11:51AM
If you new anything about injection pumps you would realize that this is not right.

Pumps are measured by cc's delivered per 1000 revolutions of the pump if I remember correctly.

So 1000cc's would equal 61 cubic inches of fuel. Seems like a lot of fuel to flow through an injector?

So a 5.9 cummins is 359 cubic inch, which would mean that the complete cylinder is full of fuel on the ohio cat.

That might be hard to compress!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 01:06PM
Road Gear Deere Wrote:
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> If you new anything about injection pumps you
> would realize that this is not right.
>
> Pumps are measured by cc's delivered per 1000
> revolutions of the pump if I remember correctly.
>
> So 1000cc's would equal 61 cubic inches of fuel.
> Seems like a lot of fuel to flow through an
> injector?
>
> So a 5.9 cummins is 359 cubic inch, which would
> mean that the complete cylinder is full of fuel on
> the ohio cat.
>
> That might be hard to compress!


I'm not talking about the Ohio Cat, I'm taking about the Black truck with blue lightning bolts that is in the magazine.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 10:41AM
I do believe thats what Tom Lindsey is running in his Built for Business semi 12V pump to an inline 6
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 03, 2009 02:08PM
Dont know about the pump but Tom Lindsley runs a V8 KT600 Cummins. His wife Danas truck has a inline 6 though. I think its a QSX 19 but im not sure.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 03, 2009 03:50PM
m smith Wrote:
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> Dont know about the pump but Tom Lindsley runs a
> V8 KT600 Cummins. His wife Danas truck has a
> inline 6 though. I think its a QSX 19 but im not
> sure.

There are some trucks out west running V8 Detroits and all kinds of crazy stuff and the 5.9s still seem to win. The truck that was beating them was a 1st gen ex cab called Moonlight Express or something!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 30, 2009 04:39AM
I think he meant 12V 6 cylinder
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 31, 2009 10:57AM
Was at the Sheid pull in Indiana over the weekend and saw that truck run. It has a billet block cummins in it with 4 turbos and it runs very well. The motor was done by woodruff diesel. Go to youtube and check out the videos on 2009 Sheid diesel extravaganza.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 31, 2009 11:09AM
The truck has a 12 cylinder P Pump running dual feed to custom billet injectors and yes it is pushing a little over 900ccs to EACH cylinder according to the magazine. Why don't you learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth. I got my info from the magazine. YOU THINK THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. I do have a clue man.I just saw it in a mag and had wondered if anybody else had and you insult me repeatedly. You got my #. I go to pulls all over America and I'm sick of your mouth. You let me know where you are at and I'll fix that mouth for you. BTW never even heard of ytmag or whatever
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck August 31, 2009 02:56PM
llssmoline, you do realize that the info stated in the diesel power magazine had an error in it? The delivery rate of that pump should state a 1000cc fuel rate total. Not per cylinder. Fuel flow rate is measured on total out put of the pump, not per cylinder. Here is another way to tell, 600cc of fuel is enough to produce over a 1000 hp! With that ratio, Corey's truck should put out around 1700hp, which is close to what they claim.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 02:37AM
There is absolutely no pulling engine that can handle 900 cc's of fuel per cylinder. 1000 total on a 359 Cummins is a bunch. The magazine made a mistake.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 04:08AM
The agazine article is not to far off. The fuel number is per cylinder. Here is a formula for you. Assumining its a 17mm plunger, billet sigma.

V=3.14 x radius squared

17mm/2= 8.5

8.5*8.5=72.25

72.25* 3.14=226.865cc's of fuel / mm of stroke on pump cam

226.865 * 6mm stroke on pump cam= 1361.19 cc's of fuel/ per cylinder

6mm of fuel can still be delivered very quickly
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 04:33AM
Forgot to mention that is per 1000 strokes of the pump, which is half of engine speed. That would mean 1000cc's per cylinder for every 2000 revolutions of the motor.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 06:31AM
that to roughly 792 gals of fuel in an average 4000 rpm pass! Did anyone see a tanker nearbyGrinning
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 09:51AM
Your math is terrible!!

You are measuring the pump in cubic milimeters of displacement. Then you magically think that it turns into cubic centimeters.

WOW!!

That's like 3rd or 4th grade math.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 01:45PM
I thought cc's was cubic centimeters. How did i get to cubic millimeters? I used the value for cubic centimeters in my equation, not that that means its right. Perhaps u could show me how to figure it correctly. I still think we may end up at some ridiculous figureGrinning
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 01, 2009 03:22PM
Sorry, didn't have much time to go into detail earlier. It doesn't magically turn in to cubic centimeters, that is why the measure cc's of fuel on the pump per 1000 strokes. I was trying to simplify things earlier.

17mm plunger / 2 = 8.5

8.5mm x 8.5mm =72.25 square mm

72.25 x 3.14 = 226.865 cubic mm of plunger volume

226.865 cubic mm x 6 mm of stroke on pump cam= 1,361.19 cubic mm per stroke of pump cam

1 cc = 1000 cubic millimeters

so 1,369 cubic mm = 1.36119 cc's per stroke of pump cam

1.36119 cc's x 1000 strokes = 1,369.19 cc's of fuel per 1000 strokes for ONE 17 mm plunger traveling 6mm

1,369.19 x 6 cylinders = 8,16714 cc's of fuel total per 1000 strokes

pump speed is half of engine speed

lets just say the engine turns 6,000 rpms down the track

on a 10 second run that means the crank turned 1000 times

which means the pump turned 500 times

so each cylinder only got half of 1,369 cc's / 1000 strokes

which would be 684.5 cc's of fuel x 6 cylinders = 4,107 cc's of fuel consumed in 10 seconds at 6000 rpms

1 gallon = 3,784.411 cc's

4,107 total cc's / 3,784.411 cc's = 1.085 gallons of fuel consumed in one run.

Hopefully my 3rd or 4th grade math makes sense to a genius like "road gear deere"
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 01:09AM
trust me Wrote:
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> Sorry, didn't have much time to go into detail
> earlier. It doesn't magically turn in to cubic
> centimeters, that is why the measure cc's of fuel
> on the pump per 1000 strokes. I was trying to
> simplify things earlier.
>
> 17mm plunger / 2 = 8.5
>
> 8.5mm x 8.5mm =72.25 square mm
>
> 72.25 x 3.14 = 226.865 cubic mm of plunger volume
>
> 226.865 cubic mm x 6 mm of stroke on pump cam=
> 1,361.19 cubic mm per stroke of pump cam
>
> 1 cc = 1000 cubic millimeters
>
> so 1,369 cubic mm = 1.36119 cc's per stroke of
> pump cam
>
> 1.36119 cc's x 1000 strokes = 1,369.19 cc's of
> fuel per 1000 strokes for ONE 17 mm plunger
> traveling 6mm
>
> 1,369.19 x 6 cylinders = 8,16714 cc's of fuel
> total per 1000 strokes
>
> pump speed is half of engine speed
>
> lets just say the engine turns 6,000 rpms down the
> track
>
> on a 10 second run that means the crank turned
> 1000 times
>
> which means the pump turned 500 times
>
> so each cylinder only got half of 1,369 cc's /
> 1000 strokes
>
> which would be 684.5 cc's of fuel x 6 cylinders =
> 4,107 cc's of fuel consumed in 10 seconds at 6000
> rpms
>
> 1 gallon = 3,784.411 cc's
>
> 4,107 total cc's / 3,784.411 cc's = 1.085 gallons
> of fuel consumed in one run.
>
> Hopefully my 3rd or 4th grade math makes sense to
> a genius like "road gear deere"


If the motor is running at 6000 rpm's,why is the crank only turning 1000 rpm's? Wouldn't the crank be turning 6000 times also?
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 01:17AM
the crank turns 6000 revolutions per MINUTE......so he is saying that on a 10 sec pass it will turn 1000 times
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 01:30AM
enough with the math you are making all us pullers look like uneducated idiots! However much fuel or how many cc pump all i know is it runs very well. We will leave figuring out the pumps to the pros....
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 06:13AM
not confused Wrote:
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> the crank turns 6000 revolutions per
> MINUTE......so he is saying that on a 10 sec pass
> it will turn 1000 times


You can do all the math you want you will never get me to believe that a pulling tractor or truck motor only rotates a 1000 to 1500 times a run. Try selling that math to the pullers that are picking up pieces of their motor off the track when they over wind them. Opps with your theory that can't happen.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 06:42AM
I am a puller, and basic math will show you that if an engine turns 6000 revolutions in ONE MINUTE (6000 rpms) then it turns 1000 times in 10 seconds. (believe it or not, this also equals 100 revolutions per second) Thats a FACT, and there is no disputing that.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 06:44AM
Shouldnt be that hard to figure ! RPM = Rev. per minute
I have 8th grade education and even I can figure that one out.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 07:24AM
He is right Wrote:
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> Shouldnt be that hard to figure ! RPM = Rev. per
> minute
> I have 8th grade education and even I can figure
> that one out.


So how do you accuratly read a dyno sheet they go by rpm's. A average pull is fairly short maybe 10 sec. or so are yoru makeing that big hp and torque at just 1000 or 1500 turns of the crank If you went the total 60 seconds you'd more than likely have a bunch of melted parts?
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 04, 2009 12:07AM
Grinning somebody help me back up on my chair... what a comedy!!!


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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 07:27AM
If a top fuel car runs the 1/4 mile in four seconds at 9000 RPM, its motor will only spin 600 revolutions from start to finish. This doesnt count the burn-out, staging, or shut down.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 07:38AM
Seems silly for them to tear that engine down after run if rotated 600 times.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 08:07AM
You guys must be Polish if you cant figure that one. lol.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 08:10AM
I bet you didnt know that the top fueler only runs about 3/4 or less of the track.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 10:33AM
Whoops fogot they only 1000 feet (NHRA) so take that extra 320 ft that motor only rotated about 450 times.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 11:22AM
Cool Figure Wrote:
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> I bet you didnt know that the top fueler only runs
> about 3/4 or less of the track.

Plugs are burt down after that and yes the crank only turns and average of 1000 times during a run. As for the pump deal he is right on with his math. Hate to break that to some off you.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 11:43AM
Listen guys, thank all of you who come on here an defened what I was talking about, and even broke out the math to prove it. I don't know who Road Gear Deere is or where he is from, but one thing is for sure, HE'S AN IDIOT!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 12:14PM
llssmoline Wrote:
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> Listen guys, thank all of you who come on here an
> defened what I was talking about, and even broke
> out the math to prove it. I don't know who Road
> Gear Deere is or where he is from, but one thing
> is for sure, HE'S AN IDIOT!

I don't agree with that statement. Kinda make you one too!!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 01:45PM
Orangelss Wrote:
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> llssmoline Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Listen guys, thank all of you who come on here
> an
> > defened what I was talking about, and even
> broke
> > out the math to prove it. I don't know who Road
> > Gear Deere is or where he is from, but one
> thing
> > is for sure, HE'S AN IDIOT!
>
> I don't agree with that statement. Kinda make you
> one too!!

You said he was dead on with his pump formula, and if you look at his numbers from figuring the pump ccs it comes out like I stated at the begining. So are you contradicting yourself or what?
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 12:44PM
Wait a minute!

llssmoline said:
Has any body saw the new truck that I think Scheid is doing it is black with blue lightning on it and has a 12 cylinder P Pump delivering almost 1000ccs of fuel to each custom injector. You talkin about trick. You figure that up it's close to 6000ccs of fuel. Ridiculously insane

1000cc's of fuel to each injector!

61 cubic inches of fuel

I'm pretty sure the math proved you wrong.

So why don't you crawl into bed, have your mom read you the last issue of the puller or diesel power and go dream up some more wet dream tractors.

Oh ya, did you get your ntpa stickers from ebay yet?

Sweet dreams!!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 01:51PM
Road Gear Deere Wrote:
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> Wait a minute!
>
> llssmoline said:
> Has any body saw the new truck that I think Scheid
> is doing it is black with blue lightning on it and
> has a 12 cylinder P Pump delivering almost 1000ccs
> of fuel to each custom injector. You talkin about
> trick. You figure that up it's close to 6000ccs of
> fuel. Ridiculously insane
>
> 1000cc's of fuel to each injector!
>
> 61 cubic inches of fuel
>
> I'm pretty sure the math proved you wrong.
>
> So why don't you crawl into bed, have your mom
> read you the last issue of the puller or diesel
> power and go dream up some more wet dream
> tractors.
>
> Oh ya, did you get your ntpa stickers from ebay
> yet?
>
> Sweet dreams!!


Dude, you don't have a clue! I wasn't talking about your dumb@ss math, I was talking about trust me's math, not the numbers you pulled out of your @ss!!!!!! Dude, don't be jealous because I run LLSS an you run hobby stock or some 2750 rpm hot farm class. My tractors probably are your wet dreams!



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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 11:45AM
Orangelss Wrote:
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> Cool Figure Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I bet you didnt know that the top fueler only
> runs
> > about 3/4 or less of the track.
>
> Plugs are burt down after that and yes the crank
> only turns and average of 1000 times during a run.
> As for the pump deal he is right on with his math.
> Hate to break that to some off you.

Doesn't The motor turn 2 times for each fireing cycle? So wouldn't that make it 2000 times or does a cylinder only fire 500 times in 10 seconnds?
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 02:22PM
trust me Wrote:
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> Sorry, didn't have much time to go into detail
> earlier. It doesn't magically turn in to cubic
> centimeters, that is why the measure cc's of fuel
> on the pump per 1000 strokes. I was trying to
> simplify things earlier.
>
> 17mm plunger / 2 = 8.5
>
> 8.5mm x 8.5mm =72.25 square mm
>
> 72.25 x 3.14 = 226.865 cubic mm of plunger volume
>
> 226.865 cubic mm x 6 mm of stroke on pump cam=
> 1,361.19 cubic mm per stroke of pump cam
>
> 1 cc = 1000 cubic millimeters
>
> so 1,369 cubic mm = 1.36119 cc's per stroke of
> pump cam
>
> 1.36119 cc's x 1000 strokes = 1,369.19 cc's of
> fuel per 1000 strokes for ONE 17 mm plunger
> traveling 6mm
>
> 1,369.19 x 6 cylinders = 8,16714 cc's of fuel
> total per 1000 strokes
>
> pump speed is half of engine speed
>
> lets just say the engine turns 6,000 rpms down the
> track
>
> on a 10 second run that means the crank turned
> 1000 times
>
> which means the pump turned 500 times
>
> so each cylinder only got half of 1,369 cc's /
> 1000 strokes
>
> which would be 684.5 cc's of fuel x 6 cylinders =
> 4,107 cc's of fuel consumed in 10 seconds at 6000
> rpms
>
> 1 gallon = 3,784.411 cc's
>
> 4,107 total cc's / 3,784.411 cc's = 1.085 gallons
> of fuel consumed in one run.
>
> Hopefully my 3rd or 4th grade math makes sense to
> a genius like "road gear deere"


Gee Fellas, as all of you seem to think I'm so stupid, I figure this pretty well proves that what I said could be achieved, except I was refering to a 13 or 14mm 12cyl P Pump, probably from a European Deutz motor. I never claimed I know it all, I just asked if anyone else saw the truck. Now,if you can get over 1400ccs out of a P7100 and even more out of a P8600 or the big P9000, then what would be the use of going through all of the trouble to make everything fit and doing all of that extra plumbing just to get 1000ccs out of the entire pump? And, on top of that, I'm pretty sure that the truck I'm speaking about is not running some plane jane, truck transplant, 359!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 02:45PM
Folks give it up, it's not soaking in. He still believes that since he read it in a magazine it must be fact. This isn't the first misprint in a mag and won't be the last, and there will be somebody to read it and believe it. Oh by the way llssmoline, post some pictures of those bad boys you have built, make us all cry with envy. I think I'll go play with my 1500 rpm B farmall.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 05:13PM
sdangus Wrote:
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> Folks give it up, it's not soaking in. He still
> believes that since he read it in a magazine it
> must be fact. This isn't the first misprint in a
> mag and won't be the last, and there will be
> somebody to read it and believe it. Oh by the way
> llssmoline, post some pictures of those bad boys
> you have built, make us all cry with envy. I think
> I'll go play with my 1500 rpm B farmall.

I'm not saying it isn't a misprint. This is an expieramentel truck that pretty much is for exhibition. It is a truck like no other I have ever seen. I just said the guy's math proves it could be true. Don't really know how to upload pictures, send me email address and will have wife send pictures of MM, New Holland won't be done till spring.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 02, 2009 02:47PM
Just for the info the sheid mod truck you guys are talking about has 2 injectors per cylinder. Could deliver loads of fuel in a short time correct?
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Here's a recent video, see 4 yourself September 03, 2009 04:33AM
Its the third puller in the video, he has been almost untouchable against SMFWD on the OSTPA. The Atleys have finally found there groove on the truck. Had alot of issues last year, but the thing just flat out screams. He also is on the Tiffin highlight, and Springfield highlight on youtube.







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Re: Here's a recent video, see 4 yourself September 03, 2009 08:13AM
I still have a hard time believing that crank only turned 1000 times.
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Re: Here's a recent video, see 4 yourself September 03, 2009 08:39AM
Give those Blower trucks more weight and a longer wheel base, then we'll see who outpulls who
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Re: Here's a recent video, see 4 yourself September 03, 2009 12:59PM
limmit the rpms on those blower trucks and watch all the smokers go by.
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Re: Here's a recent video, see 4 yourself September 03, 2009 01:50PM
That's why it will never work if you have to put limits, or add weight and make the wheelbase longer. You can't compare diesels to blower engines. If you take the same truck with the same weight a blower engine will win every time
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Re: Here's a recent video, see 4 yourself September 03, 2009 05:13PM
Yeah the same goes for alky supers, so you handicap the alkies a bit so the diesels can win. It won't be long and the diesels will have their own class.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 03, 2009 01:22PM
Ok Guys, lets get a few things straight.

The total pump output is 1,000cc's on the Scheid truck. The Ohio CAT truck is more around 900-950. They made 1903hp on the engine dyno last year, which at that point was the highest hp out of a MOD class pulling truck.

The billet block of the is quite a nice peice of work and its one of the few motors that are holding up. The Scheid truck with the 12cyl pump and tripple turbos is having trouble keeping blocks together due to them using a stock worked over block.

But the key thing to remember....Diesel truck pulling is YEARS behind the tractor scene. Thats were we get all the new things to run, and all the bigger ideas!


And for your viewig pleasure....heres a video of some more indepth OHIO CAT action. Including some shots of the motor being CNC machined and built!!

[www.youtube.com]
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 03, 2009 03:43PM
Bosshawg600 Wrote:
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> Ok Guys, lets get a few things straight.
>
> The total pump output is 1,000cc's on the Scheid
> truck. The Ohio CAT truck is more around 900-950.
> They made 1903hp on the engine dyno last year,
> which at that point was the highest hp out of a
> MOD class pulling truck.
>
> The billet block of the is quite a nice peice of
> work and its one of the few motors that are
> holding up. The Scheid truck with the 12cyl pump
> and tripple turbos is having trouble keeping
> blocks together due to them using a stock worked
> over block.
>
> But the key thing to remember....Diesel truck
> pulling is YEARS behind the tractor scene. Thats
> were we get all the new things to run, and all the
> bigger ideas!
>
>
> This is all I'm sayin, this thread is starting to get old quick!!!!!
>
> Diesel Power September 09
Quote" The fuel system is based on a Bosch inline injection pump that looks similar to the P7100 pump found on '94 to '98 Dodge trucks. Except, instead of having 6 plungers, this Scheid Diesel P series pump (originally from a Deutz12 cylinder diesel) has 12 plungers. Scheid Diesel adapted this pump using one of it's timing covers and special fuel lines to combine two injection lines for each injector. The result is MORE THAN 1000ccs TO EACH INJECTOR OVER A VERY SHORT DURATION-and it makes the engine sound wicked!" Unquote! Another section Quote " A Schied Diesel timing cover was used to mount a 12 cylinder Bosch P series mechanial injection pump that features two lines per injector to feed EACH CYLINDER MORE THAN 1000ccs OF FUEL!" Unquote! Now this is a Super Stock Diesel Puller that has dynoed at OVER 2000 HP and yes, they have been having trouble with blocks staying together. Now, 6000ccs of fuel = 1.585 gallons of diesel. I have saw multiple pullers in the 2000HP range use around 2 gallons of fuel at 300+ feet, more even in an alcohol application. It has 2 HX80 low pressure turbos and 1 HX80 high pressure turbo, and a 500psi water injection system that injects 1 1/2 Gallons of water per run(why would you need that much for 1000ccs of fuel?) I really don't think that Diesel Power Magazine repeatedly made this misprint. Industrial Injection has a 14mm 7100 that will put out 1400ccs and I once met a fella that had a 16mm P9000 from Rocken Tek that would go 1800+ccs and don't even know what you could get to with one of those BIG billet Sigmas, all of which are allowed in the Super Stock diesel class, so why go through the trouble to make this thing work. Hell, I don't know, just call Scheid and ask them, but I KNOW I have seen SSD tractors that make over 2000hp burn 1 1/2 gallons, so why not a truck. Hell, they have A Pumps up close to 1000ccs now!!!! I profess, I don't know exactly how they judge the amount of ccs a pump gets rated at, but I know this truck burns 6000+ ccs of fuel in a pass, and that was all I was saying. It is the only other truck I have seen that I like as much as The Ohio Cat.



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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 12, 2009 05:05AM
I work for Diesel Power Mag, and maybe can shed some insight on the situation....at that point Dan was running the pump at 1,000cc's, there's nothing to say he hasn't turned it up since then.....also, many pumps that are rated at huge numbers make those numbers at a lower rpm than peak power. A pump might be rated at 1,400cc, but it may produce that amount of fuel at 2,500 rpm, at 5,000 rpm, the actual rpm that the pulling truck will be at, it probably produces much less.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 03, 2009 05:17PM
At last someone that knows what hes talking about. As I stated before 1000 total cc's of fuel is a bunch for a 5.9 Cummins.
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 06, 2009 11:22AM
Its a cast 24 valve head on the CAT truck not a has been 12v
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 06, 2009 02:22PM
The 12 plunger pump is 15 year old technology for Schied, they had one on Tim Stone's pro-stock, and one on display at their booth at the NFMS well over 10 years ago. The use of the deutz housing/pump, I would say is due to size/weight/cost savings, that old original 12 plunger p-pump was HUGH and heavy. The dual feed injectors should ensure sufficient access of fuel to the injector, a national pro-stock puller recently told me he split a plunger in a post-sigma billet pump, seems nothing is bullet proof in pulling, despite the cost!!
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Re: Ohio Cat sponsored diesel truck September 13, 2009 05:33AM
your right
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