Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 03:40AM
Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023

Sellersburg, Indiana (January 27, 2023) – Motorsports have evolved from their rustic beginnings in the early 20th century, all under the premise of the need to acquire more speed, more power, more performance. Truck and Tractor Pulling is no different; from the moment that Ed Hart mounted that first set of 30.5x32 tires to his D21 for more traction in the Sixties and the Bosse Brothers coupling four engines together for more power in the Seventies, the race for pulling supremacy was on.

Changes in some pulling classes arise from necessity, where overwhelming power and compromised reliability intersect. That was the case in 2005 when the first component Pro Stock Tractors, campaigned by Don Masterson and Kevin Schmucker, came to life. The Pro Stocks had found limitations in their OEM cast drivetrain and a change was needed to improve the reliability of those machines.

In 2023, we find ourselves at that similar crossroads with the Light Pro Stock Tractor division. It is apparent that the tremendous gains in power in Light Pro in recent years see that class in need of driveline improvements that necessitate the allowance of the component chassis - to enhance reliability, create long-term economic value (less driveline breakage = lower expense), and allow those competitors to transition easily into other classes (Pro Stock, Super Stock) should they choose to in the future.

For the 2023 season, tractors using the traditional OEM cast chassis will compete at Pro Pulling League events at 8500 pounds. Component chassis will be limited to 8300 pounds in competition. Light Pro Stocks will appear on the SILVER SERIES in eight sessions of competition in 2023, with stops in Tollesboro, Kentucky (July 23rd); Goshen, Indiana (July 27th); Altamont, Illinois (August 2nd); Wapakoneta, Ohio (August 5th); Hillsboro, Wisconsin (August 11th and 12th); and Lanesville, Indiana (September 8th and 9th).

John Mears, Technical Director, Pro Pulling League

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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 04:36AM
Awesome step forward!
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 04:49AM
Time to sit back an watch the numbers fall, an everyone wonders why pulling is a dying sport. Just keep raising the coast of every good class out there to the point most can’t afford it. Let alone the time frame of how far out new component chassis are from builders. Next the 4.1s an llss will want it yet.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 11:28AM
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Time to sit back an watch the numbers fall, an everyone wonders why pulling is a dying sport. Just keep raising the coast of every good class out there to the point most can’t afford it. Let alone the time frame of how far out new component chassis are from builders. Next the 4.1s an llss will want it yet.

I agree. Might be the killer for 3 classes. You'll see prostock tractors dropping to the 5 inch class and now to light pro. I think there was a prostock guy saying he was going light pro or 4.1 as soon as his chassis was legal a couple weeks ago? The guys that are on a budget in light pro will move to something else or park them now. How long before we need coolers and sigma pumps now? Maybe a bigger exhaust side on the turbos again?
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 04:51AM
Such a disappointing decision... only positive is that it will help some of the lesser horsepower classes that have ag rear end.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 04:58AM
Outstanding decision. Thumbs Up...................... If a cast rear end tractor class exceeds 2000 HP is should have the component option. Thats just a safety option,.. plus add on the ease of maintenance aspect,.. and it's a win win!!
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 05:44AM
Seems like this is only for the silver series by the listing of the schedule. Which will be nice because that will allow competitors in other divisions series and organizations to keep their ag chassis. But still give poolers the option to build a component although it may require more traveling
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 11:06AM
So by this thought process the next time a hot farm tractor breaks an axle they are going component too?
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 11:44AM
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About Time...
Outstanding decision. Thumbs Up...................... If a cast rear end tractor class exceeds 2000 HP is should have the component option. Thats just a safety option,.. plus add on the ease of maintenance aspect,.. and it's a win win!!

2000? Guess super farm isn't far from component then if you say that. Might as well make every class component if that's the threshold
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 03:22PM
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Wyatt Schulte

Outstanding decision. Thumbs Up...................... If a cast rear end tractor class exceeds 2000 HP is should have the component option. Thats just a safety option,.. plus add on the ease of maintenance aspect,.. and it's a win win!!

2000? Guess super farm isn't far from component then if you say that. Might as well make every class component if that's the threshold

Reasons why they shouldn’t all be?
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 27, 2023 11:11PM
Some of us don’t have that kind of money laying around
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 01:44AM
Doesn’t cost any more than ag chassis…..
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 01:55AM
You're right it doesn't cost any more to build a component than an ag chassis IF YOU START FROM SCRATCH AND BUY ALL NEW PIECES! Some of us buy used parts over time because daddy didn't sell a farm so we could write a check to go pulling.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 02:16AM
Weird, I know of several used component chassis that sold for considerably less than some used ag chassis brought…..

Unfortunately our mental capacities tell us going component means buy new from Engler, Ace, full pull etc. Zero ability to problem solve on one’s own.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 02:17AM
Sorry to say bud but if ur getting a component for the same as an ag u aren’t getting much of a component
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 02:32AM
As someone who has built 2 ag chassis and is in process of building a components, 1466, you are wrong. I am not going to say it is cheaper, but it’s definitely not more expensive. Can you cheap out on the ag chassis and save a few bucks? Sure. Could also do the same on the component. By why save 10k on a chassis to risk it breaking and trashing an 80k motor or more.

Both light and limited pro should have been component years ago. Anybody who says this is the death of the light pro class, is the reason the class would have actually died if this hasn’t happened.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 02:53AM
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Built both
As someone who has built 2 ag chassis and is in process of building a components, 1466, you are wrong. I am not going to say it is cheaper, but it’s definitely not more expensive. Can you cheap out on the ag chassis and save a few bucks? Sure. Could also do the same on the component. By why save 10k on a chassis to risk it breaking and trashing an 80k motor or more.

Both light and limited pro should have been component years ago. Anybody who says this is the death of the light pro class, is the reason the class would have actually died if this hasn’t happened.

Amen
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 02:57AM
Why don’t all the light pros going component put their names out there. Pretty certain there is going to be more say NO! Then yes. Pretty certain that if you also took a vote between every light pro stock in the country there and be significantly more saying no to components than yes. Instead of knocking the turbos back to 4.6 or 4.8s to keep things somewhat tamed and screwing the guys who have continually upgraded their oem rears to work and hold up. It will end up like the prostock class dying out and become the big man’s money game. Hopefully the oem ag Chassis guys can stick together and prevent this from taking over the state level and NTPA region class. If you want to run components to put your big kid pants on and run the new 5” prostock class that’s why it was made.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 03:06AM
But I thought we had too many classes?!?!

The 5.0 pro was a good theory. And I feel it still has some potential. It has a lot going against it too, though. Who out there is even gonna run it? How many hooks will there be? What is the turbo rule? How do we keep this rule the same across all sanctioning bodies?

Make the light pro component, and also a 5.0 charger limit on it.

There’s your 5.0 Light Pro class. That honestly makes more sense than 2 classes with identical rules, only difference is the turbo.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 04:00AM
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Why not
Why don’t all the light pros going component put their names out there. Pretty certain there is going to be more say NO! Then yes. Pretty certain that if you also took a vote between every light pro stock in the country there and be significantly more saying no to components than yes. Instead of knocking the turbos back to 4.6 or 4.8s to keep things somewhat tamed and screwing the guys who have continually upgraded their oem rears to work and hold up. It will end up like the prostock class dying out and become the big man’s money game. Hopefully the oem ag Chassis guys can stick together and prevent this from taking over the state level and NTPA region class. If you want to run components to put your big kid pants on and run the new 5” prostock class that’s why it was made.

Agreed more will say no than yes to the chassis. Also more will say no than yes to dropping the turbo limit to the mid 4’s. The turbo builders will still increase the power output from the limitations starting point I believe of which has been set at 5” now.

You guys always bring this on yourselves….. no vision and a total disregard for the health of the sport, more more more and me me me. What did you think was going to happen? You can’t just keep building more power and not expect major structural changes to be implemented.

The 5.0 prostock class has nothing to do with the light pro class. It’s original intent was to be a more economical option to prostock and then marketed as a jump for 4.1’s to make so those wanting component chassis in that class had a place to go buying that cast chassis class a bit more time before the inevitable.

Neither chassis is to blame here. The pullers who pay the builders to satisfy their never ending hunger for more power are to blame. The rules making in the conception of these classes having zero vision is to blame. Put the blame where it belongs, you did this to yourselves over and over and over
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 04:05AM
Me and . Could be friends. Been involved in high level of pulling my whole life, and have seen exactly what you are talking about happen so many times before
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 04:32AM
Why would any current light pro want to build a component? Most will not,... but some will...why would any super farm want to jump up to light pro with a cast chassis? Very few would,..but some might now sell and build a light pro with the component option. Point being that the vast majority of current light pros have their tractors done and don't want to change chassis,...but the ones who would like to enter the class now have a lot better option. You grow by expanding,... not staying at a status quo. The majority of the status quo guys will never sacrifice their own good for growth...that's just basic human nature when it comes to competition venues.

The 4.1 class and the light pro classes are healthy now and will probably stay healthy for the future but that doesn't mean improvements aren't needed.

It looks like the most movement to different classes will be in the near term is the 4.1 tractors to 5.0 tractors,..or the big pros to the 5.0 class. The 5.0 class actually looks like it has the most potential to get the most current competitors switching classes.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 05:19AM
It will be interesting to see, how many parked or back of the pack super stocks, step down to light pro.
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 10:20AM
The only upside to this change is those of us bottom feeders looking to get into pulling or stay in will have plenty of ag frame/rear end rolling chassis to pick from as For Sale page will be full of them.

This will effectively eventually kill another class just like what is happening to SS and PS. Only classes left the normal guy could "afford" will be SF and HF. Im sure 4.1 is on the horizon for components but wishful thinking maybe they can leave hands off.

Just my 02 cents......red712
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Re: Pro Pulling League Makes Significant Rule Change for 2023 January 28, 2023 01:05PM
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red712
The only upside to this change is those of us bottom feeders looking to get into pulling or stay in will have plenty of ag frame/rear end rolling chassis to pick from as For Sale page will be full of them.

This will effectively eventually kill another class just like what is happening to SS and PS. Only classes left the normal guy could "afford" will be SF and HF. Im sure 4.1 is on the horizon for components but wishful thinking maybe they can leave hands off.

Just my 02 cents......red712
What are you talking about? "Only classes left the normal guy could "afford" will be SF and HF". Most folks couldn't afford to the power plant, not to mention the whole tractor! Just to go out and possibly scatter it all over the track at any given moment! Nothing affordable for the average person, to build any tractor that can compete in any sanctioning organization. When I say compete I mean that it can finish in the top 5 consistently and win on occasion. Other than the slower speed limit classes 8mph and under are the only "starter classes" that the average person can afford, and even it is getting out of control in alot of places.
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