10:15:04am, Monday, October 14, 2024
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Simon's $50,000 pull
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Curious
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Why are the noise makers so hesitant to sign up for RJs pull? The smokers are all for it. Some people are saying $2500 is too much, but in my eyes $2500 is a drop in the bucket compared to a $200-400,000 pulling vechile. Is this the new future of pulling? We've complained about purse payouts for a long time and here is our chance to compete for real money! Maybe NTPA and PPL need to look into making entry fees $1000 and pay out bigger purses. Also liked the teching before and after the pull. Kudos to RJ for heading this up!! |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 646 |
Typically in every class at every level there are two or three competitors that are at the top more often than not. How long do you think the rest of the class will continue to donate? I know that I'm not a top tier tractor at the GN level, why would I do that? At the RN level I am a top tier tractor even then I'm thinking long and hard and likley wouldn't do it very often especially with two tractors.
S'no Farmer |
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Opportunity knocking
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This is an opportunity to move pulling into the future and start something great. Every puller in the country should be jumping at the opportunity to support this. If $2,500 is to much or you dont think you can compete then you should sell your tractor and go get yourself a Farmall M and go antique pulling because all your doing is looking for a reason to drink beer and show off. Stop wasting people's time. Lets build something for the true pullers who are ready to put tractor pulling on par with top tier motor sports. |
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 781 |
For this to work the class has to have numbers AND parity so there are a bunch of them that think they can win. Racing does this with classes like Modified, not the top tier classes that have more limited numbers. IMHO for this to work in pulling it would need to be the state level classes like Klint has at his winter pull, not the GN classes. Most of the GN pullers are like Sno Farmer and know where they stand in their class. I’d love to see some stats on odds of placing in the top 5 for every vehicle in the class that hooked GN or CT this past year.
I wish them luck though and for the fans sake I hope I’m wrong. |
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LSS Fan
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Blah blah blah. Which tractor/truck did you sign up? |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 646 |
Opportunity knocking,
First off none of my comments are a knock against the Simon's for trying this, I just don't see it as a model that will work long term as some seem to think it should. Just using my tractor as an example, I just had what I hope is the worst year I will ever have. Lots of relatively small dumb breakage not to mention not being able to get out of my own way at most GN hooks for reasons I won't go into. This coming off the heals of almost winning the points the previous year with only winning one hook. This summer would have cost my wife and me $40,000 in entry fees with very little in payout not to mention having to fix my tractor numerous times...sounds like good a move on my part wouldn't you say? I don't drink beer and I compete not show off! If all of the pullers that I know that aren't top tier tractors, that have an outside chance to win on occasion, sell their tractor and buy a Farmall M you'll be watching three or four tractors...in your words "The True Pullers". Have fun watching them...I think I'll go boating instead. Show us your entry over the cource of full summer of doing this then you can be taken seriously talking smack with those of us footing the bill. S'no Farmer |
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Registered: 04/12/2008 Posts: 410 |
Pullers paying 100% of their own purse, plus $10,000 is forward thinking, and advancing the sport? Wow. This is a cash grab where the pullers entry fees cover all the cost of the event. We provide the entertainment, the payouts, and enough to cover sled rental and insurance. Admission, vendor sales, etc will be pure profit. No money is put into the sport, and nothing is improved when every class of 50 competitors will lose $200 each as a group. This will be a great show for the spectators. This will be a profitable show for the promoter. As far as the pullers are concerned, they will sign up and pull knowing going into it that they are simply gambling with their own money. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Registered: 08/16/2021 Posts: 337 |
I'm glad Sno Farmer commented here and brought in the pullers perspective.
The interesting thing here is that the pro stock class already has 50. I'm not sure there are 50 pro stocks capable of winning a pull like this but there are probably 25-30 capable of winning on a given night. Then you've got the 4.1 tractors, they might actually have 50 capable of winning. The same could be said about TWD and minis. So it surprises me that those classes haven't filled up. Maybe those pullers are afraid to sign up because they could win one night and finish 40th 10 feet out of the win the next night. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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LSS Fan
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I think a better way to do it would be for top 5 from either prelim session automatically moved to finals. Then best averages fill the remaining slots. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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This might be the poorest thought out post I’ve read in a long time….. Gambling with their own money…. Newsflash every time they buy a part, every time they start the engine, every time they dyno, every time they hook to the sled they do this very thing and the reward for success is so far lopsided that it is a bad bet every single time. C’mon man! |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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RW
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Sure and now in addition to all that, the pullers have to supply the purse as well.
Some of you guys are not terribly smart, are you? |
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Registered: 04/04/2016 Posts: 122 |
This is one of the major reason Pulling is stuck in the Mud as far as Motorsports is concerned. Old ways of thinking, and not seeing that something this huge will bring all kinds of attention to the Sport. And with that Media attention possibly some new Sponsors to the Sport because they like what they see. Not a bunch of negative Nancy's pissing on a message board. If you don't want to go, freaking don't GO, stay home run for $600 somewhere and a $40 entry Fee if that's your comfort level. Geez, quit digging on Folks who want to do something big and are willing to put in the effort and the money to do it, How much will it cost to advertise this deal? How much does it cost to insure this deal, and rain insurance, you Nancy's ever been to Farley to Simon Brothers Pull? You see what they put into all their Pulls? Lots of money and time and work. Thank the Lord Schultz came along and created Beer Money Pulling Team, He single handed is doing more for Pulling than anyone else at the moment, you put Him on pushing this deal across Social media and Internet and what can come of this is Huge. And Us noise makers will sign up, at moment it looks to be a schedule conflict with a points hook, so that is getting figured out. Us noise Guys have to dang near sweep a series and get a BG ring to get into the Farm show anymore so it is something that is heavily weighed in what are we going to do next summer.
BB |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 646 |
Stormy,
For a once or twice a year event sure, for a whole summer circuit, no way that will work. The lower two thirds of the classes will be gone after two events. S'no Farmer |
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Registered: 04/04/2016 Posts: 122 |
Todd,
Yes for a couple Events a Year, not a whole series. BB |
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double dot
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Badgerfan
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Building a truck or tractor to pull with is a gamble.
Like I said before your complaining about 2,500 bucks but you'll drop 20,000 on a turbo in a heart beat if it gives you 5 more horsepower. Other sports have embraced this pay out schedule and they are thriving. Why knock something before it has even been tried? If it pulls in spectators yeah the promoter benefits but guess who else does when the spectators start pulling bigger businesses as sponsors? We need to look at the bigger picture sometimes and give something a chance. |
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Ppl puller
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I thought we( pullers ) were the ones putting on the show for the fans ? Is there no value in that anymore.
Sounds like the forward thinking now is , pay for your on show if you want to pull . Dick will remember quite some time ago ..I talked about pullers moving up a class. ( Lots of talk about it . I was really shot down ) Now it's pay 2500$ entry fee for 50k win .sounds like the dominators can't keep the program going for the current purse money . The business side doesn't make sense of the losses . It doesn't matter to me what they do . But at the end of the day in my opinion no more fans will come. Even with that type of purse money. Maybe it's not about the fans anymore . Not sure . It will be what it will be . |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Hurley
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Fans won't pay the bills period especially in Farley Iowa. Simons are thinking outside the box to make the sport better . Maybe it will work and maybe other promoters will do it . Maybe our purse will one day pay for travel cost or even put a couple dollars in our pockets . Maybe the sport we all love will bring in MAJOR sponsors. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Puller
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Spreading out the money a little bit more seems like it would entice more people IMO. Just an example of spreading it out while keeping the top spot at 50k. It looks a lot better if you move the top spot to 30k say obviously. These winnings are also for 2 hooks not for 1.
Payout Actual Earned Money Per Hook 1 $50,000.00 $47,500.00 $23,750.00 2 $9,000.00 $6,500.00 $3,250.00 3 $6,000.00 $3,500.00 $1,750.00 4 $5,000.00 $2,500.00 $1,250.00 5 $4,800.00 $2,300.00 $1,150.00 6 $4,600.00 $2,100.00 $1,050.00 7 $4,500.00 $2,000.00 $1,000.00 8 $4,300.00 $1,800.00 $900.00 9 $4,000.00 $1,500.00 $750.00 10 $3,800.00 $1,300.00 $650.00 11 $3,600.00 $1,100.00 $550.00 12 $3,400.00 $900.00 $450.00 13 $3,200.00 $700.00 $350.00 14 $3,000.00 $500.00 $250.00 15 $2,800.00 $300.00 $150.00 16 $2,700.00 $200.00 $100.00 17 $2,650.00 $150.00 $75.00 18 $2,600.00 $100.00 $50.00 19 $2,550.00 $50.00 $25.00 20 $2,500.00 $- $- $125,000.00 |
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Re: I applaud the Simon's for giving the pulling world something different.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
I am not going to get into any of the financial aspects of the pull. Really not my business nor do I care about that side of the pull. And I'm not really sure why anyone else is so interested either. I don't care how many vehicles they invite, how many they take to the finals what classes they have none of that for me. And you have to admit it's different and a bold move. Seems pretty straight forward to me, the people paying the bill gets to make all the decisions. If a puller doesn't want go, then that's up to them, not me or anyone else. However getting past all the useless noise this is a great idea. It's taking a risk, looking at a different approach to the sport. The whole concept is intriguing. Lets face it pulling has rolled out the same show year after year, no change. Sure every class is making more HP but it all looks the same, in fact the only two real changes are more classes at the national level and less pullers in all the high HP classes. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Re: I applaud the Simon's for giving the pulling world something different.
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LPS Puller
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I think it's exciting to even have a chance to win some extra money we don't ever see this heck it would float most of my pulling budget for the year completely understand some people have points races and different things in life to deal with or dont want to spend the entry. Heck how many times has a person drove 800 to 1,000 miles and not gotten a check most of the originations don't pay much after 5th place pretty sure if they stick to paying 1,000 10th thru 20th place that does help cover the cost of entry. Lets promote this event and be excited their is plenty of Doom and Gloom in this world currently. |
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Ppl puller
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You kind of contradict yourself .
Your not getting into the financial aspect , and its really no body's business you say.. But yet you say the show hasn't changed for Years . So in the financial scheme of things . How does $$ change the show ? What do the fans care about a 500$ winner or a 50k winner . Its the same tractors . You can't pull any better competition from the states raising the purse money . I'm not against it . It just doesn't change the show or the pulling dynamics . I don't know if I would do it or not . Who's doing all the tech work . That's the first question. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
Ppl, Thanks for your response, I went back and reread my post and I'm not sure what you are talking about. In my original post I said the financial side of this event is no concern to me. And I talked about how pulling basically has not changed in years. At no time did I ever talk about the payout, purse money, entry fee about pulling over the years, however if you want to read something else into my post have at it! But if you want to have a discussion about entry fees, purse money, points funds over the years start a thread and we all can discuss that topic. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Ppl puller
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My apologies.
I interrupted your post wrong . Thanks for clarifying for me . I may have shot my mouth off before thoroughly thinking what you wrote through. It happens sometimes Thanks |
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Re: I applaud the Simon's for giving the pulling world something different.
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Fan 2
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"Pulling has rolled out the same show year after year, no change".
Can you tell me what sport that isn't true of? Football is football, basketball, golf, drag racing, baseball etc......? |
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Re: I applaud the Simon's for giving the pulling world something different.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
Look at the production of the NFL, NBA, MLB and it's vastly different from what it was years ago, all those sports, and more have embraced technology. There is a pre-game show, post-game analogy, interviews with players, coachs. Pulling is basically the same show every year. Viewing those that have adapted to doing things different from previous years has given their audience something new every year, pulling has not done that. In no way am I trying to diminishe what several media platforms have done to promote the sport, there are some really good podcasts that are increasing the fans real time connections to the pullers and leadership. However any business that wants to grow is always looking for ways to improve their product. No one in the pulling world does this better than Bowling Green. They're always looking for opportunities to give their fans the best show possible Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2024 04:48AM by Dick Morgan. |
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Re: I applaud the Simon's for giving the pulling world something different.
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Fan 2
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So your answer is there is no difference as far as the product. Blocking, tackling, running, catching, kicking, etc hasn't changed. The players and all involved get paid a lot more than before. But the game hasn't changed. One difference I'll point out is the players in the NFL don't put their own money up to play for. All I care about at a pull is what goes on between green flag and red flag. If that isn't worth watching nothing else matters. Pullers paying their own purse isn't going to make that any better from a show or competition standpoint. Exchanging money with each other in classes people aren't interested in doesn't make them more interesting. It's ludicrous. |
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Re: I applaud the Simon's for giving the pulling world something different.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
I think people are confusing the Simon's pull verse what the national organizations run every week. I don't believe that this show was intended to be the model for the future of the sport. The concept is different and, to me very interesting. I'm not sure why people are so concerned on what the Simon's have decided to do. The pull is in June and it's not even October so there is no reason be worried about numbers. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2024 11:23AM by Dick Morgan. |
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 781 |
Well, a bunch of people, yourself included are cheering this as a wonderful thing. I’m curious what intrigues you about this? I realize it’s early and details aren’t released, but asking for a commitment without details is asking pullers to purchase a cat in a sack, wink, trust us. What exactly is the upside? One puller gets a jackpot funded by their competitors. Fans get to see a bunch of top notch competitors. But what is the path that leads to the next one being 50 invited with no entry fee?
One person above is commenting that pulling hasn’t improved the show, but I disagree. Pullers have greatly improved the performance and appearance of their vehicles at great costs to the owners, so we have made similar improvements as ball and stick sports where performers are stronger and faster while the rules of the sport are generally unchanged. I’m not intimately familiar with the big money circle track and drag races, but the ones I know of are Saturday night trophy/low purse vehicles that have tight rules which keep competition tight, the vehicles affordable, and there are thousands across the country running the same rules. Have those events progress to the point that sponsors / promoters are funding the purse instead of the competitors? |
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Interesting
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For pulling to get bigger you need about 10 bowling greens a year with these type of payouts, the rest of the pulls can stay the same. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Registered: 02/08/2014 Posts: 410 |
I'd say 90% 0f the spectators don't care what the payout is or the hook fee. Most can't tell one smoker class from another to start with. The 10% left are the true fans and most have friends or family pulling and might know what's going on. I have no tractor near this level of pulling but my perspective as a 50-year fan. I don't think it will have any impact on getting more butts in the seats. |
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WTF
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I have spent the last 40 years competing in all forms of motorsports. I have never seen another group of competitors complaining or talking down an opportunity like this. It is extremely obvious why tractor pulling will always be a second rate sporting event. I do not understand all the negative towards building a higher level of pulling. All i can come up with is this sport is full of selfish people that dont want anyone to be more successful then they are capable of being themselves. For the pullers ready to take this opportunity to do something great please dont be discouraged by the naysayers. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Ppl puller
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Naysayers..
I need to shoot my mouth off one more time . I grew up on Saturday night dirt races . You mentioned youve done every type of motorsports over the last 40 years . We started tractor pulling because it's one of the best sports to be in . There is no better family than tractor pulling and it's fans . You will never find another motorsport so kind .This forum brings the opinions out where those who can't talk aloud can be heard . Dirt racing.. Wow , what a deal . I have never seen such a bunch of crybabies in all my life . Your running 33rd 4 laps down and won't get out of the way of the leader until your flagged to move over . Heaven forbid, the 12th place car touched someone in the rear end and they get knocked out of the way . Theres an all out brawl in the pits later . The first place car gets hit ,, he flips out throws a baby fit ..pits are all fighting. I can go on and on . I've been pulling for over 20 years , never seen a fight in the pits or on track . Same with NASCAR . What a joke . Somebody bumps somebody, it's a pit brawl . The two drivers , which are a 100 pounds each ..chicken fight , then social media for two weeks . I think your statement about crybabies was pointed at the wrong sport . I for a fact have seen the motorsports saga every week . I can say this . At least on the page the spoken and unspoken can have an opinion. It doesn't end up on the track and pits . . |
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WTF
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Obviously we have had vastly different experiences with tractor pulling and dirt track racing. I personally wouldn't trade my dirt track family and experiences for anything.
With that said the point was dirt track racers jump at the opportunity to compete at an event like this. They dont arue about the pullers footing the bill or the show being the same and spectators not showing up and so on. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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plb
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I have heard of drag racing have a bracket race with a $1,000 entry and a $100,000 to win. They come out of the wood work for these. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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A hearty good job by the Simon crew.
This great shot at big bucks is awesome and I wish them the very best. For over 15 years the FLINGS have been bracket racings big dollar shot out. Big money, stout entry fee and plenty of manufacturers products, added cash and random drawings. I urge everyone to look at this successful model goggle Pete Biondo or spring fling @ Bristol Dragway. I could see two of these type events at beginning or end of year. I don't think this would be sustainable for more events or as a sanctioning body model. Comparing the entry fee to cost of vehicle or budget for a team, in my view, is not relevant. The demands of business and available cash all enter into decisions. Most competitors believe they have a shot to win. Some competitors believe they have a shot at top five money. Some will enter as a marketing platform and KNOW they have NO chance at bagging big bucks. A few will go to have a good time at the "events center". I hope to be able to go experience this progressive event. |
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Scheduling dates
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Won't you be in Hutch that same weekend? |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Mn fan
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I hope Power Pull Nationals has their date mistaken. Hutch has been the week before Tomah the last few years and Tomah is June 26-28th. That would put Hutch June 20 -21. But they posted on FB that the Power Pull Nationals will be June 13 - 14. Hope they figure this out soon so the pullers and fans can plan accordingly. |
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calender problems
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Rose took Simons date this year is the rumor..... |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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No
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No, as stated before this is the same weekend as Simon’s have had the Farley event the past few years. Nothing with conflict with scheduling in regards to Hutch. |
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Doc
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No. I've never been.
Would like to attend. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Registered: 04/10/2011 Posts: 189 |
Simons have been the week before fathers day weekend for the last few years. 2022- June 10-11th / 2023 - June 9-10th / 2024 - 7-8th. Fathers day weekend is usually the weekend before Tomah. This year it happens that fathers day weekend is the 2nd weekend in June and there is a extra weekend before Tomah this year.
So scheduling becomes a bit confusing when Simons schedule June 13 & 14th which is technically the 2nd weekend in June, but also falls on the same weekend as NTPA in Hutchinson MN and local pulling event (ECI & TRI STATE) in Cuba City WI (40 minutes away). With those 2 events going on with a long history of reoccurrence i can't help but to think that it would be in best interest for Simons to reconsider their event dates. |
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Re: Simon's $50,000 pull
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Shell Answer Man
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If another poster is correct, and Hutch is willing to swap dates, I see no problem with the date.
The Cuba City pull is a totally different situation and would have negligible impact on Farley. With any luck all the superfarms will go to Cuba city. |
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