Classes September 23, 2024 03:40AM
How can a pull permoter keep putting on pulls that only 3 to 4 tractors or trucks show up in a class I have been to several ntpa pulls that only 3 to 4 show up in the LLSS class I think it’s time to try something else it’s a good class but not enough tractors in region 2 maybe they need to add more super or hot farm classes
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Re: Classes September 23, 2024 01:51PM
Maybe they should have left the rules alone for LLSS. A $7,000 investment for a lateral move in horsepower was a waste. Parts are difficult to get. When I couldn’t make a honest run at the points championship. I chose to leave mine in the shop for the season. 2024 was a pretty full schedule for a working class of pullers. A few tractors went through a lot of changes for 2024 and aren’t proven reliable yet. Geographically events draw more tractors. Ohio tends to draw 10+ tractors. Michigan does not.
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Re: Classes September 23, 2024 07:34PM
I think in Michigan and northern Ohio we need to do a way with the LLSS class and some thing that has more tractors or trucks
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Re: Classes September 23, 2024 07:40PM
Here in southern Ohio we have several tractors but between here and Kentucky we have enough pulls we don’t have to go north
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Re: Classes September 23, 2024 11:49PM
Do away with the llss class in ohio,that's the most asinine comment I've ever read on here in 20 plus years.the class ought to be pushed hard..most of the engine can be built using common parts from a catalog..that level of pulling would thrive if there wad 3-4 men in every county like "t.w.v " that had his passion for the sport,and his passion for craftsmanship..
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Re: Classes September 24, 2024 01:18AM
Could it be a puller could run with other orgs for lower costs and similar purse?

NTPA tries to be all things to all people and as it relates to tractor classes, they no longer run super stocks on a regional level in R2.

I can go to an IPL pull to see hot farms and limited/light pros. Those are fine classes, but maybe NTPA should have worked harder to save their super stock classes.
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Re: Classes September 24, 2024 02:16AM
Why does it seem like there are so many tractor classes with no real reason of progression? Not that all the other classes are perfect but they seem like they have a natural progression. Ex:

Street Diesel->Limited Pro->Pro->Super Stock

SF->Limited Pro->Pro->SSD (somehow 5.0 pro was made and now there is discussion around limiting pro stock so, now it seems like one class can go)

I could even make the case for Mini->Modified->Unlimited

I think it's time we trim classes and get class numbers up in some instances.
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Re: Classes September 25, 2024 05:26PM
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The Original Michael
but maybe NTPA should have worked harder to save their super stock classes.


What was there to save in the past 10-15 years?? There aren’t but 1-2 MAYBE 3 good running supers in the state of Ohio. 15 years ago they might have had 5 and the rest were…junk to put it bluntly. Of those 5 mentioned and 2-3 still left, they were diehard Ohio State guys and didn’t pull NTPA anyways after the fallout of whatever happened
Then when Ohio state went under the PPL wing, those good running supers went to the champions tour. All but 1 of which have been cut up, scrapped or sold. The super stocks that show up to an OSTPA event now a days are aweful. A light pro can clean house on all of them with the exception of 1, maybe 2 if he has it together which doesn’t usually happen.
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Re: Classes September 24, 2024 01:54PM
I don’t mean do away with it all together but have more in southern Ohio where the tractors are at but up north where only 3 or 4 shows up it is ruining the class
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Re: Classes September 25, 2024 12:23PM
Patches theres no such thing as common parts in tractor pulling theres no midwest cub or vogel for the llss class with parts on the shelf and just tell Kathy what u need
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Re: Classes September 26, 2024 01:17AM
Couldn't a cummins be built from off shelf parts ??
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Re: Classes September 26, 2024 02:33AM
Why would we drive 4 hours to northern ohio when we have 70 hooks within 2 hours of us! My past experience the ntpa is over rated!
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Re: Classes September 26, 2024 03:30AM
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patches
Couldn't a cummins be built from off shelf parts ??

It's funny though... the 5.9 Cummins has quickly become the Kohler K301 of the LLSS class. I was thinking the same thing... lots of Cummins parts and lots of hood choices that would work with a 5.9. I don't want the whole class to go with the 5.9 or 6.7 but it would probably one of the most cost effective ways to go for a new build.


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Re: Classes September 26, 2024 07:14AM
Other than jd,what manufacture would a cummins not be legal in ?
They have the most product support of any tractor engine by many times over.
R and d is being done daily by every aspect of every part of the engine..
And it's gonna be the go to engine for decades to come.
I like the color builds,and will always support those,but in the real world ya would be foolish to not build a cummins
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Re: Classes September 26, 2024 08:21AM
I will be one the first to say NTPA is overrated they are not for the puller and if you watch how they are doing the management what’s going on
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Re: Classes September 26, 2024 12:58PM
If you go diesel yes they are lots of shelf parts out there but most are alcohol .Just is case there is anyone interested I have a head i bought new for a customer ported and polished JUST like 8 or 10 of the 5,9 cummins alcohol tractors thats running i did for 1500
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Re: Classes October 01, 2024 02:45AM
It is sad we can't get 5-10 tractors to show up at every RN2 event in Michigan and Indiana.
Sad part is your lucky to get more than 5 in ANY class in Michigan at a Region 2 event.
We've tried to help carry the torch for the class in Region 2 with our two tractors, but besides a few guys, we're not getting much help. We keep hearing about tractors coming back out and new ones being built but it's been 4-5 years and numbers keep dwindling. The class is dying here in Michigan and it's very frustrating to say the least. Unless we can rally and get guys committed to run Region 2, at least the Michigan/Indiana area, it will continue to go down hill.
Maybe helpful to split Region 2 if they have 18 hooks so guys can make the 8-10 hooks within 4-5 hours instead of driving 8 hours for one hook. Guys from Southern or Eastern Ohio don't want to drive 6-8 hours for a 15 second run here in Michigan, then go home. Two day events are a much better deal.
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Re: Classes October 01, 2024 08:42AM
Myself I am going to quit going to Michigan and and up north and stay in the south it’s no fun running against 3 & 4 tractors when we can run with 10 to 15
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Re: Classes October 01, 2024 12:42PM
What LLSS tractor do you run?
Unfortunately not everyone can live in a area where there is a large number of dedicated pullers.
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Re: Classes October 23, 2024 04:50AM
Your comment just made my decision as a promoter in Michigan having your class for the past 3 years very easy. I replaced it with a class that WANTS to be at our event.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2024 04:51AM by JimS.
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Re: Classes October 16, 2024 04:13PM
LLSS class is one of the best class out there so it’s about time for everyone to shut up and start working on another class we don’t need your mouth
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