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NFMS. It's not a points hook.
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,639 |
Not sure why everyone gets so worked up over every little thing that in the grand scheme of things are pretty minor. To complain about touching the sand, five feet away from the sand, going into the sand sure sounds picky to me. The sled settings have been spot on 95% of the time. This is not a points hook, it's a hook that runs vehicles from so many different organizations. I think overall the show has been very good. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2025 10:13AM by Dick Morgan. |
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BFS
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Also, let’s not forget, this is entertainment. The pull is an attraction. Is it coveted, yes. However you have to make it entertaining for the fans. They want to see stuff in the sand. And drivers want to put it there!! If everything is stopped at 230-235’, there is no wow factor |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,630 |
That's why pulling is looked at as a hillbilly type thing most don t take seriously...because every thing is subject to change,nothing is cut and dry.its all encompassed in a huge shade of grey,no black and white |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,639 |
Patches, the is a non points event. It's a invitational event. Are you suggesting that all of pulling is not legit? Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,630 |
Dick,I'm well aware it's a non points event,and also an invitational event.any time at any pulling event since the very 1st one 60 years ago the object of the sport is to move the center front of the pan the furthest away from the "0" measurement point..we all can agree on that.we all can agree that weight is no longer the only resistance that needs to be overcome,currently the trouser bar technique is used with weight to apply resistance that is controlled by a mechanical means in an equal application due to distance over time,we can all agree on that..we can all agree that t h e furthest group,determined ahead of time by the committee goes to sat night finals,pretty simple until the variable of the sand is used to alter the recorded distance of the pan center from the "0" point.the sand pile is not straight across, and uniform so it's a variable..we've all seen monster passes in the making,and seen the flag man throw a red flag,based on his judgement that your going to be in sat night,until the magic number is given,and said driver didn't make it,but we all clearly seen he easily could have..the fix is simple.set the sled up a bit tight, put a chalk line across track for a visual fill pull",then the farthest controlled distances by the sled move on,remove the sand from the equation. That makes it a legitimate sport.i use drag racing as an example, other than fuel classes the distance is 1320 feet no matter what or where,that's cut and dry,no more,no less.in pulling we see the track be a ever changing thing,which the sand pile effects potential drawbar height,so the track is flat give of take a few degrees until the ramp is installed at the end...so as a driver I'd say some look at tracks by where the most traction can be achieved,sone look for where the said resistance can be the easiest to pull from grouser application over time.but now you need to add into you thinking of where does the sand apply the LEAST RESISTANCE too...that needs removed from the contest operations
.set a number,those padt it move on one's that don't go home,plain and simple,black and white no grey area.. |
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Moderator Registered: 01/11/2009 Posts: 1,610 |
Patches,
All that matters is what the laser says, within thousandths of a foot if necessary. Sled sits at starting line, laser set/reset, sled pulled, sled stops, laser measures. sled returns to starting line, repeat as needed. It removes as much human variability as possible in obtaining accurate, reliable, repeatable distances. Using chalk lines requires more human interaction and produces more variability and less accurate results. If the sand pile and the front of the sled where the fixed prism is mounted for the laser are interacting....cough....cough. THE VEHICLE IS THROUGH THE SAND PILE. We got bigger problems at that point. We gotta remember that the sand pile is equal parts safety barrier and goal line. Everyone wants to get into the sand but not into the wall. It's a fine line. In the end, I'm not getting how what's working is not legitimizing pulling, in your opinion. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,630 |
The end number is subject to change after a hook or 2 or few is made. |
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Re: NFMS. It's not a points hook.
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Well
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The laser is reset when the chain is tight. The sled is never exactly in the same spot. Also, most vehicles bump the sled when tightening the chain. You cannot compare it to drag racing. You have the same start and finishing point every time. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,589 |
Monster trucks seem like there're doing pretty good. As for pulling... Hypothetical question...What if they brought the top three back for a pulloff in each class? Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Jake- This is a wonderful idea to me in "single" hook events. If the class only runs once take the top 3 (or 25%) of the class and have them run a 2nd time at the end of the show. That would give the spectators something more to watch, be more invested in, while making pulling feel more like other motorsports not just being 1 and done for each vehicle. You'd have a qualifier and a final. The only time I don't think it would be useful or necessary would be for the shows such a NFMS, Midwest Winter Nationals, or other events that essentially have qualifiers over the course of a couple of days to get a set finals. The biggest issue is the extra wear and tear worth it? There is alot of money into every single vehicle that takes the track. Each run is not free to the puller, most do not have big time backers and have only their own wallets to rely on for maintnence and upgrades. The purses certainly arent enough to keep up with everything either. Would it be worth it? Idk but it seems like something worth exploring. |
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Just Sayin’
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No one is saying you CAN’T put it in the sand. I think the general consensus is just set a mark, for each class, where the front wheels just touch the pile. That’s all. Then, the driver has at least an idea of where he needs to be. |
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Spectator
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And don't move the bar higher with each competitor that buries his pulling vehicle deeper into the sand pile and kick out others who bettered the previous full pull marks out of the pulloff. Moving the bar is absolutely unfair and wrong as is setting a full pull mark after say half of the class has run or even the first tractor as far as that goes. I have never been to a tractor pull anywhere that sets a full pull mark after the pull has started. It's always set prior to the first hook. |
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... are you saying???
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,485 |
They're moving the goalposts? |
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moving full pull mark
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Spectator: " I have never been to a tractor pull anywhere that sets a full pull mark after the pull has started. It's always set prior to the first hook."
Obviously, you have never been to any PPL Champion Tour events. That procedure is standard procedure with them. Makes no sense. |
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Badgerfan
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I love Jakes idea, top 3 come back for a pull off. Then it doesn't matter if a wow factor is in the beginning or middle of the class. You want to win you have to be top 3 to pull it off. Should do it at every event like they do across the pond.
For the guys complaining about not getting to the sand or they should just touch the sand pile, I would love to see you try to set up a sled, especially on a short track like Louisville and the range of competitors they have. I thought sled settings were great for the most part and Kudos to the 3 pro stocks that tried putting on a show in the pull off Thursday night. Didn't have to but they wanted to put on a show. |
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Registered: 08/16/2021 Posts: 376 |
Bowling Green should have a mandatory top 3 pull off in every class all weekend. I don't think that's smart at NFMS though. The classes are small so to run a pull off you'd be coming back with a super hot motor. Unless you run all the classes then have the top 3 in each class come back for the pull off at the end of the night. This would give guys time to fix things and cool off their motors and make an awesome show for the fans |
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plb
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Not a fan of bringing the top 3 back for a pulloff at any pull. Floating finish is the way to go, unless you don`t have the extra room for it, then set a fullpull mark and live with it. |
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I was thinking I have been going for 35 years, I want to see the best entry win, Points or no Points.
Alot of the entries there may never get the chance to go back. When its your time to win its your Time! Was happy to see Tim Cain do so well. He's been going there for years and been at both ends of the class. Make it a pull again for the Fans that pay for the seats. I could stay home and stream it but to me that's not the same as being there. |
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Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 2,589 |
Let me be clear, I'm not advocating for bringing the top 3 back for a pulloff... I was simply asking a question to patches about what he thought about bringing the top three back for a pulloff in each class? Jake Morgan Owner, PULLOFF.COM Independent Pulling News This page is a free service. The cost is covered out of my pocket. It takes a great deal of time and a fair amount of money to keep this website going. Donations for: photos, classified ads, forum discussion, etc... are appreciated. Side Note: We are no longer accepting PayPal donations. They have changed their terms of service and stated they would fine PayPal users for spreading "misinformation" and "hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory". PayPal did not provide definitions for some of these vague terms. Woke corporate policies regarding "misinformation" could result in an automatic fine of $2,500 which would have been removed directly from the customer’s PayPal account. PayPal did backdown from some of their policies but quietly implemented portions of them in later terms of service. A financial institute has no right to monitor social media accounts or speech. This is unacceptable and I'll no longer do business with PayPal. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,630 |
I With the way it's currently done I'd say no. BUT tighten the sled up to eliminate hitting the sandpile,then I say yes to top 3. The intent of the Sandrine is to never touch it instead it's purpose is to stop a vehicle in cade of an emergency breakage. now it's used to determine a winner,which I'm completely 100 percent against |
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