new class January 05, 2009 03:20PM
has anyone in the ostpa or any pulling group in ohio ever thought about starting up a class with a 466 ci limit, a 3x3 turbo limit, p-pump, and 20.8-38 as a max tire size. just think it would be a good low cost class.
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Re: new class January 05, 2009 05:09PM
That is very simalar to the division 5 class pulled by COAPTA. Their class has a 531 cubic inch limit, P-pump, and 2.7X3 3lm style charger. We also run 18.4-38 cuts. The biggest difference is that the tractor had to be in production by 1970
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Re: new class January 06, 2009 05:40AM
in minnesota the pro farm class is like that 466 , 3x3, p pump
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Re: new class January 06, 2009 01:28PM
i would like the ostpa to start up a 466 pro farm class, i know a lot of people who would run the circut in that class, and the classic super class in central ohio is a good class but im building a 1206 with a 466 3x3 turbo p-pump and 20.8 38 non cut tires, but i could cut them. just hopeing there would be a pro farm class around. i would have to get different gears to run the 18.4 38 tires.
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Re: new class January 06, 2009 01:56PM
The western New York Profarm Pullers now run a similar class 505 ,3x3, 24.5 any cut, @10700lbs, Also can run upto 540 ,3x3, 3500rpm @10,200 lbs in the same class.
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Re: new class January 06, 2009 02:14PM
is there any rpm limit on the tractors running a 466? and do they have any lighter profarm classes?
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Re: new class January 06, 2009 03:35PM
Alot of groups in the midwest and west run 466ci 3x3 no limit on rpm's and 24.5 tires p-pump and they run strong and will give superfarms a run for it. Super Farm guy's will not admit it but I have seen them run. I was impressed They where not in the front of the superfarm class but they where not at the back niether and with a hole lot less money spent!!!!!!!! It is alot more bang for your bucks than superfarm...... Best of all you can use all your stock engine parts, crank, rods, pistons, liners.... Just a good set of fire ring..... In my opinion this is what superfarm should be...
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Re: new class January 07, 2009 01:06PM
i agree with that, i just wish the ostpa would have a class like that. it would be cheaper and i feel it would be more competative. i know i would run that circut and i know a lot of people who would also run the ostpa circut with a class like that
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Re: new class January 07, 2009 01:42PM
I agree thats what super farm should probably be.

Swartxmiller let me see if I got this right, your building a tractor with no class to pull it in, in your area?
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Re: new class January 07, 2009 03:13PM
That would make a good class but it would be it would rule out big block deeres, masseys, and a lot of the cases since they a lot of them have 504s. A 466 class would be good for SBJD and IH pullers though since they are right there with stock parts.
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 12:22AM
Why is everyone always worried about leaving out big block deere massy and olivers with cats? Really how many of them pull in comparison to the brands that most all have tractors that can make 466 to 505 easily? Everyone cries about big bock deere does the small block not work? The NTPA changed the limted prostock class to slim the numbers of the Superfarm and a place for the lower ending prostocks to go if they so chose.
I agree and wish there was a light 466 or 505 limit class around 8000# All the hotfarm suposed to be 466 around here let everyone go to 640 and weight is like 11,000# There is LLSS 6500 410cid limit then right to Superfarm 640 or hotfarm 640 nothing in the middle here sucks A$$....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 04:32AM
Well, because there's A LOT of 5010-5020-6030's out there pulling in similar classes. What you COULD do is allow the 505's and 531's only, then give each a weight penalty.
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 10:25AM
I figured up one time and there's at least a dozen different manufacturers that are 540 cid or less. 90% were between 450 and 505. the 640-680 limit is just plain anal. massey has a 540 v8, oliver has a 574 v8. throw a 1145 crank in it and you have 522. as far as the 619 deere's go, if it's a 8000 lb class where engine has to somewhat match rear end, they're out anyhow. Besides that, let guys decube. maybe put a limit in it, say 75 cubic inch max decube.
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 12:45PM
the 6030 5020 jd come with the 531 in them not the 619 some make them run the 531
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 02:14PM
im building a tractor and im just going to run it in the hot farm class, but like everyone else says the sky is the limit with them hot farm tractors. im just going to run a 466 in it that way i dont have a ton of money stuck in it, and i would run a class with a 505 ci limit if you could run 20.8 tires or bigger.
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 04:21PM
There is a big need for OSTPA add this kind of class to the schedule if just to give the super stocks and pro stocks less component wear and tear and also not having to run all over the state.
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 03:04PM
You can get a big block Deere down to about 7800 WITH a roll cage. You just have to use a little creativity. We pull the Central Ohio Classic Superstock class with a 5010 in a 7700# class.
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 03:20PM
Why should you change the rules to alow a big block deere or anything else for that matter..... Set a 505 466 liimit and build to fit it if you want to run bigger then run prostock or another class that allows that cube.. Why is it so hard.... They run 640 superfarm to allow for some bigger cube motors and truth as it is how many of them do you see.... Let them decube if they want to run this class......
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Re: new class January 08, 2009 03:45PM
I just got my profarm deere running towards the end of the season last year with the united pullers of minnesota.Im really enjoying the class.Look at the ntpa rule book, the class is listed in there.Talk to your state organizations, and ask them to try the class. Then we can have ntpa regional action,instead of just state pulls.I did borrow a set of 24.5 v-cuts and bought a legal superfarm gt-42 and ran at the region 3 ntpa pull in ridgeland wi with the superfarms.The new turbo was too much for my crossover, but for the first 90 feet she looked and sounded like a superfarm.If you are going to gordyville watch for dean hollicky and jeremy ploetz, those are ntpa profarms.good luck!
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Re: new class January 09, 2009 04:13AM
IT WAS GOOD TO SEE U RUN AT HOWARD LAKE ALTHOUGH U HAD SOME PROBLEMS. BUT ITS GREAT TO SEE MORE TRACTORS COMING OUT FOR THE PROFARM CLASS. EVEN IF YOUR GREENGrinning. HOPE TO SEE U RUN MORE IN MINNESOTA NEXT YEAR.
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Re: new class January 09, 2009 12:51AM
I agree IH-SSD why does everyone want to cater to big block deere is that the only engine made? don't most superfarms run the small blocks?look at the 640 super farm limit how many Fords are in that? almost none small engine can't easily get there. how many oliver or whites do you see a couple with cats in them not 6 cylinders. Of the 2 class majoritys IH and Deere the largest engines that came with factory were 436 and 531 WFT? Decube the Bitch and put on a diet if you really need the big block!
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Re: new class January 09, 2009 12:10PM
i agree the jd guys could decube to at least 505 ci. how many people do you think would run a pro farm class in the state of ohio? i know of a bunch of people in my area who would be very interested. and what is the tire size on the pro farm class? is it 20.8 38 max?
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Re: new class January 09, 2009 04:03PM
Where are you located I am in the northeastern part of Ohio. Fullpull Productions and Northwest Pa tractor and truck pullers have a hot farm class that ended up being set at the engine size of 640 Cu In because of one Massey. I know there are others on this side of Ohio that would be interested in a pro farm class like this.
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Re: new class January 10, 2009 04:26PM
im located around attica ohio, its north central ohio
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 03:21AM
also what are the exact rules for the pro farm class, is it 505 ci limit, and you are soposed to run a 466 if you can, 20.8 38 tires, 3x3 turbo and p-pump, with unlimited rpms
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 04:10AM
NTPA Pro Farm I think is 505, P-Pump, any turbo with 3" restriction tubes on the intake and exhaust, 20.8 tires any cut and any manifolds I think but could be stock manifolds. Any one knows the rules better please correct me please.
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 04:32AM
that would be a good class id run a class like that for sure
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 04:51AM
Yes it would but now we are in the middle of a PPL state their hot farm rules are not a bad set I think they are 3x3.5 turbos, stock manifolds and everything else is about the same.
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 11:36AM
yea i guess that wouldnt be to bad as long as they would keep that ci limit at 505
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 11:48AM
still think it would be hard enough to spin a 3x3 with a 466 or a 505
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 02:00PM
3x3 is easy to spin on 466 I have a friend that has run a 466 with prostocks and ran a 3.9x4.1 and flat got with it. and spun out at the end. Keep this in mind you can turn your 466 or 505 harder than a 640 your piston and rod weight is alot less. And they will stay together...
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 02:08PM
yea you made some good points IH-SSD what kind of rpms was your friend running with his 466? and thats what im hopeing for, i want it to stay together.
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Re: new class January 11, 2009 04:52PM
He has the gov set at 5800 and takes it to the top every time. He tried 6200 but would stick plumgers..
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Re: new class January 12, 2009 11:33AM
o ok does anyone know if the PPL hot farm class is 505 ci limit?
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Re: new class January 12, 2009 11:48AM
Its 510 with 3x3.5 with 2.75 restrictor plate with 20x38s single cut @10000lbs
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Re: new class January 12, 2009 01:40PM
that wouldnt be to bad of a class, id run my tractor in a class like that, could i run a 1206 with a dt 466 in it tho?
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 11:44AM
Where is your buddy from IH-SDD? The thing with keeping masseys, big block deeres and 504 cases out isnt because people are trying to make excuses its so they dont see 4430 and 1066s all night long. I guess if you think decubing is the answer then they will just complain about that. I myself like SBJDs but like to see different tractors at the pull. Point is its hard to please everyone and never will so a class around 505 would allow the big blocks to come down and small blocks to go up a little would probobly be the best for around here. Hows the tractor coming Ben Kline?
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 11:49AM
the cubic inch limit would be 505
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 01:44PM
The reasoning for leaving it at 466 is the affordability of the engine. Allis had a 426, or ntpa legal series 40 detroit.Case came stock at 451, in your 1170/1175,1270. The massey guys could do something with that 1130/1135/2705 six cylinder perkins.Didnt oliver run a perkins in some 55 models? The fords got that genesis motor, i dont know the cubes.Im pretty sure that head will fit on the old 9600 motor. If you raise the cubes, then you have people spending big money on machine work,decubing big blocks?Yhe vast majority of the class will be red and green regardless, so why take the affordability out of it? There will be always be guys that will push the envelope rather than jump to the next class,why make it easier to spend too much?Remember what happened to the original super farm class.This is just my 2 cents worth,but i wouldnt be affraid to contact united pullers of minnesota, theyre listed in the links.see ya at gordyville!
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 05:14PM
Tractors finally under roof in my building but not going to get it running with the economy the way it is. Got to pay off some bills first. Are you going to up grade the engine in the div. 5?
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Re: new class January 15, 2009 01:50PM
Doesnt Case John Deere and Massys have anything under a 505 ... yes they do Case has a 451 John Deere has a 466 and Massy has a 354 or you could decube a 510 v8
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Re: new class January 16, 2009 04:32PM
you got it rich i agree with you 100%
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 11:46AM
would the ostpa/ppl take a class like this on and support it or not?
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 05:22PM
Couldn't tell you, but someone would have to do some ground work and find out how much interest there is and present it to the OSTPA.
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Re: new class January 13, 2009 05:30PM
yes i hear what your saying with the cube limit. I would like smaller better. its cheaper that way and thats always good, probobly not this year. just gonna wait and shop around for one. Like you said economy isnt helping anything right at the moment. gonna do a few things to the other tractor and just pull it this summer. I think getting together and doing a class like we're talking about would be good but you have to prove numbers just as jeremy smith is doing with that class hes wanting to do.
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Re: new class January 14, 2009 11:52AM
well i know of at least 3 other people other than me who would run a class like that
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Re: new class January 14, 2009 03:37PM
what part of ohio are you from again? I'm from NE ohio. There would def be some people interested in that class from around here.
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Re: new class January 15, 2009 12:55PM
i live in north central ohio
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