interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 21, 2020 02:05PM
Saturday april 25th and sunday the 26th should be real interesting in Jefferson South Dakota the stock car races are going on as scheduled and the governor said she cant do much about it she said people should not attend BUT the race track owners found the loop holes. Here are the rules the race track holds 1500 people they sold 700 tickets for opening night they shut it off at 700 the spectators must wear masks and and abide by the social distancing rules anybody disregarding the rules will be warned the next time they will be escorted out the story can be found at KMEG NEWS.COM im not good at uploading and downloading etc etc but if this is allowed to go it could open the floodgates for tractor pulling and the promoters just food for thought



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 21, 2020 03:33PM
never would have thought that what i posted on here about the stock car racing would make espn headlines so there you go promoters take notes and see what happens good luck to all

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 21, 2020 03:40PM
Hammer me all you want but this thing is a joke! How many of you are sick and tired of having someone else tell you what you can and can’t do?? This whole thing was a set up to screw our president and our great nation and we the people are sitting on our asses watching it happen. Time to take back what is ours and that’s freedom to do what we please when we please. Death is a part of life plain and simple. The damn media has everyone brainwashed into thinking you’re gonna die if you get this virus. How many times have ya been at an event with hundreds or thousands of people and how many of those times were you worried about catching what the person next to ya might have????

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 21, 2020 04:29PM
to dakota puller i agree with you 100% but my post was intended to get the word out to promoters and fans this will be a great test run to see what happens

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 21, 2020 10:23PM
Most events? half the gate? won't cover the bills?

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 21, 2020 11:21PM
Just raise the price of the seats. I would pay more if i wanted go.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 22, 2020 03:08AM
They most likely don't pit 1500 in the stands weekly normally. I've heard they're doubling pit entry fees and will probably cut the purse.

Link to another article April 22, 2020 01:07AM
Article about two tracks opening



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 22, 2020 03:06AM
I'm sure all the Smithfield employee's think it's a big joke and conspiracy too. Keep having your protests and your gatherings. I'll listen to science and the medical community. This isn't just going to go away because you want it to. That type of reasoning is probably why we have the most cases in the world. Like when a bunch of idiots go to Mardi gras or spring break. Or to a tractor auction in Iowa and then wonder why the number if cases spiked. Do answer this one for me: what's YOUR life worth? Is a factory running for a week worth more than your life? How about a restaurant opening for a few days? Is that worth more than your life? What's a human life worth to you people that say we need to open it all up again. You say forcing these closures is against your rights. Well I say forcing them open is against mine.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 22, 2020 03:25AM
I agree with much of what you said, but allowing some business to open is not an infringement on your rights. If you're locked down, YOU can still remain locked down. That's your choice and your right. There are areas/states/regions with lower risk, and areas/states/regions with higher risk we need to evaluate that risk and do our best to minimize it (both collectively and individually). Then we ALL have some personal responsibility to evaluate that risks on an individual basis and make our own decisions. Some of us Skydive, some don't. Some invest in high risky investments, some don't. Personally I'll continue to minimize my exposure and I'll minimize my risk as much as I can. I feel that's my responsibility to my family. Other's may have a different comfort level, or they may live in an area with less risk. Personal responsibility needs to be a variable in this equation as well as public welfare.

We also need consistency in our laws/edicts/regulations/executive orders. I can't go to a drive-in Easter service in my Church parking lot where I never leave my car but a Mosque here in NY can stay open. Where is the consistency. I don't even have a clue what's actually enforceable or an arrest-able offense. Our rights and personal responsibility go hand in hand, they are not separate.



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 22, 2020 11:10AM
Trying to spit out statistics here to imply similarities between states/populations/societies is like taking a class in Advanced Cat Herding: you can offer x of facts but thats not going to get the cats through the gate...might call Carole Baskin and get her sardine oil recipe to do that...but I digress...

Each aforementioned example has one aligning constant between it and the others it is compared to, with extensive variables. Statistical comparisons, to be valid, must have one variable only. Everything else must be equal, a condition known as "ceteris parabis."

The best example I can provide is the one our egg-headed governor has given us for the last 30 days in his daily briefings. It is a comparison of the casualty rate/timelines of St. Louis and Philadelphia during the 1918 Spanish flu. St. Louis "flattenend the curve" versus Philly's measurements. The biggest difference that isnt discussed is that Philly was a petri dish for the Spanish flu as a return point for thousands of troops from Europe at the end of WWI with a significant public celebrations, creating an uncontrollable hotspot. Also, St. Louis benefitted from having the time to prepare for the situation as the flu hit Philly 2 weeks earlier and planned accordingly. So, the comparison of the two is invalid, and the comparisons attempted here are as well in my opinion.

We are in uncharted waters here in some ways and some we are not, we just need to truly identify the similarities and fully investigate the variables to give us as clear a path as possible to go back to "normal."

Going back to the original post, I think South Dakota with its idenfiable localized hot spots and the precautions being prescribed for the race facility could pull this off without much problem. For myself I would feel more comfortable at an outdoor race under their parameters than to be shopping in a crowded store.

Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 03:51AM
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I'm sure all the Smithfield employee's think it's a big joke and conspiracy too. Keep having your protests and your gatherings. I'll listen to science and the medical community. This isn't just going to go away because you want it to. That type of reasoning is probably why we have the most cases in the world. Like when a bunch of idiots go to Mardi gras or spring break. Or to a tractor auction in Iowa and then wonder why the number if cases spiked. Do answer this one for me: what's YOUR life worth? Is a factory running for a week worth more than your life? How about a restaurant opening for a few days? Is that worth more than your life? What's a human life worth to you people that say we need to open it all up again. You say forcing these closures is against your rights. Well I say forcing them open is against mine.


Grubby, I invite you yo read another thread posted earlier today titled "Did we have to shut everything down? (Sweden's approach)?" There are two articles linked, one dealing with Sweden's less restrictive approach and how they are doing no worse (or even better) than other countries, and the other showing no empirical difference in death rates between US states with lockdowns vs those without lockdowns. If you want to "listen to science," there you go.

Despite the "listen to science" rhetoric, most of this is emotional hyperbole. Asking what a life is worth is disingenuous. Everything has tradeoffs. What's a life lost to suicide, crime (people have been killed due to criminals released during this pandemic, Talk to Mayor Diblasio about that), cancer, heart disease, or other non-Covid conditions (MANY facilities went all-in on Covid, stopping biopsies that could diagnose cancer, or treat other diseases), or loss of thousands of business and millions of jobs by state government fiat?

The last sentence in the quote shows a lack of perspective imo. "You say forcing these closures is against your rights. Well I say forcing them open is against mine." Grubby, please describe exactly how an owner's decision to reopen a business is against your rights? Which rights? Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to go to those businesses? If you feel self-quarantining is the right choice for you and your family, great. That's not your call to make for anyone else, though.

One of my frustrations with the medical-only mindset it that it ignores the economic reality. As I said earlier, there are tradeoffs. not to acknowledge that reality is, frankly, denying reality.



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Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 06:08AM
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The Original Michael

I'm sure all the Smithfield employee's think it's a big joke and conspiracy too. Keep having your protests and your gatherings. I'll listen to science and the medical community. This isn't just going to go away because you want it to. That type of reasoning is probably why we have the most cases in the world. Like when a bunch of idiots go to Mardi gras or spring break. Or to a tractor auction in Iowa and then wonder why the number if cases spiked. Do answer this one for me: what's YOUR life worth? Is a factory running for a week worth more than your life? How about a restaurant opening for a few days? Is that worth more than your life? What's a human life worth to you people that say we need to open it all up again. You say forcing these closures is against your rights. Well I say forcing them open is against mine.


Grubby, I invite you yo read another thread posted earlier today titled "Did we have to shut everything down? (Sweden's approach)?" There are two articles linked, one dealing with Sweden's less restrictive approach and how they are doing no worse (or even better) than other countries, and the other showing no empirical difference in death rates between US states with lockdowns vs those without lockdowns. If you want to "listen to science," there you go.

Despite the "listen to science" rhetoric, most of this is emotional hyperbole. Asking what a life is worth is disingenuous. Everything has tradeoffs. What's a life lost to suicide, crime (people have been killed due to criminals released during this pandemic, Talk to Mayor Diblasio about that), cancer, heart disease, or other non-Covid conditions (MANY facilities went all-in on Covid, stopping biopsies that could diagnose cancer, or treat other diseases), or loss of thousands of business and millions of jobs by state government fiat?

The last sentence in the quote shows a lack of perspective imo. "You say forcing these closures is against your rights. Well I say forcing them open is against mine." Grubby, please describe exactly how an owner's decision to reopen a business is against your rights? Which rights? Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to go to those businesses? If you feel self-quarantining is the right choice for you and your family, great. That's not your call to make for anyone else, though.

One of my frustrations with the medical-only mindset it that it ignores the economic reality. As I said earlier, there are tradeoffs. not to acknowledge that reality is, frankly, denying reality.

Once again the article doesn't prove Sweden is doing better, it proves it is doing much worse.
Texas Population 30,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 543
Sweden population 10,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 1937

Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 08:23AM
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Once again the article doesn't prove Sweden is doing better, it proves it is doing much worse.
Texas Population 30,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 543
Sweden population 10,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 1937

Massachusetts Population 6.9 million, deaths 1961 (and not updated for 4/22 as of this post)
New Jersey Population 8.9 million, deaths 5063
Michigan Population 10 million, deaths 2813.

See, I can also pull stats without context. The 3 states I listed have more restrictive guidelines in place than Texas. Maybe they should ease up. Is that your message?

The actual article does not "prove" what you claim it does. I would ask you to read the other article linked to from Wired, the one demonstrating that states without a lockdown are not faring worse than states with lockdowns. That article also references Sweden, and includes this paragraph comparing Sweden to other European countries.

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there is very little evidence that Sweden has become an unlivable Covid-19 hotbed. As of 17 April, Sweden’s Covid-19 statistics were: 13,216 total cases, 1,400 total deaths, 1,309 cases per million and 139 deaths per million. In terms of cases per million residents, Sweden ranks slightly ahead of its close neighbours, Denmark (1,221) and Norway (1,274). But in Europe as a whole, Sweden ranks 23rd in terms of cases per million and 10th in terms of deaths per million.

One other aspect referenced in the first article (Spectator article) about Sweden is estimates of a sizable % of their poplulation already has antibodies. As I understand the Swedish model, they took into account there would be some sickness and deaths, but they would also gain herd immunity quicker. The big picture is if Sweden is generally doing no worse than other countries without destroying their economy, then they would have made a reasonable decision. As (I think) Jake pointed out in another thread, we won't know whether they made the right call until a number of months have passed. Jake is right that at the moment, it's an interesting discussion topic (as is Gov. Kemp reopening Georgia).

I don't want to see people die from covid-19.... but I also don't want to see people die of other illnesses, suicides, and other fallout form lack of resources due to the shutting down of the economy. Everything has tradeoffs. At some point, the economic harm is going to overcome the virus harm, if it hasn't already started doing so.



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Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 10:26AM
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Once again the article doesn't prove Sweden is doing better, it proves it is doing much worse.
Texas Population 30,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 543
Sweden population 10,000,000 COVID 19 deaths 1937

Massachusetts Population 6.9 million, deaths 1961 (and not updated for 4/22 as of this post)
New Jersey Population 8.9 million, deaths 5063
Michigan Population 10 million, deaths 2813.

See, I can also pull stats without context. The 3 states I listed have more restrictive guidelines in place than Texas. Maybe they should ease up. Is that your message?

The actual article does not "prove" what you claim it does. I would ask you to read the other article linked to from Wired, the one demonstrating that states without a lockdown are not faring worse than states with lockdowns. That article also references Sweden, and includes this paragraph comparing Sweden to other European countries.

there is very little evidence that Sweden has become an unlivable Covid-19 hotbed. As of 17 April, Sweden’s Covid-19 statistics were: 13,216 total cases, 1,400 total deaths, 1,309 cases per million and 139 deaths per million. In terms of cases per million residents, Sweden ranks slightly ahead of its close neighbours, Denmark (1,221) and Norway (1,274). But in Europe as a whole, Sweden ranks 23rd in terms of cases per million and 10th in terms of deaths per million.

One other aspect referenced in the first article (Spectator article) about Sweden is estimates of a sizable % of their poplulation already has antibodies. As I understand the Swedish model, they took into account there would be some sickness and deaths, but they would also gain herd immunity quicker. The big picture is if Sweden is generally doing no worse than other countries without destroying their economy, then they would have made a reasonable decision. As (I think) Jake pointed out in another thread, we won't know whether they made the right call until a number of months have passed. Jake is right that at the moment, it's an interesting discussion topic (as is Gov. Kemp reopening Georgia).

I don't want to see people die from covid-19.... but I also don't want to see people die of other illnesses, suicides, and other fallout form lack of resources due to the shutting down of the economy. Everything has tradeoffs. At some point, the economic harm is going to overcome the virus harm, if it hasn't already started doing so.

The point is, can you prove that Sweden would not have cut their case and deaths in half with a lock down?
All the places you mention had high case counts before the lock downs, and likely would be much worse without them.

There is no doubt the whole world needs to go back to work really soon.
What would the economic impact be if we have 60,000,000 infected this fall, with a death rate of 5-6% ?
Keeping in mind the Spanish flu was under 3% mortality rate.

We need to go back to work, and we need to keep the spread down so as not to over run the medical system like in New York.

Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 12:33PM
The bottom line with all this for the guys who think this is all a joke and and things shouldnt have been shut down what if deaths were hitting closer to home.I have a 22 year old smart Ass son going to college to be a chemical engineer made a smart ass remark. This is just getting rid of the week well i said your mother has had cancer i have asthma your grand parents are 74 what about that tears came from his eyes and his whole smart ass out look changed .Death is forever for the ones who die from this so what is the worry about if thers a pissy ass old tractor pull this year and i do love tractor pulls

Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 01:01PM
Lewis

Well said

Rich

Re: to Grubby April 22, 2020 01:46PM
What about the overwhelmed health care workers that have died dealing with this? Those same workers that wouldn't have died from someone dieing from heart disease/suicide/ cancer/the flu, etc.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 02:46AM
We have higher number than the european countries and the UK because we have a higher population than they do combined and China is most like;y lying about their numbers![www.cnbc.com]

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 08:06AM
The EU has a bigger population than the US... 515 mio vs 320 mio

That said - I said it on here weeks ago already (Topic "angry with the media" further down):
Stop counting "tested positive" people. Nobody knows exactly how many people are affected and show no symptoms because these people are unlikely to get tested.
The only thing using that "case count number" is giving you screwed up mortality rates which then lead to unrealistic death assumptions.



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 22, 2020 04:23PM
Who exactly is saying they think this is a joke ? I'm not seeing it, & I'm not laughing. But just exactly how long can we reasonably deny healthy lower risk individuals the ability to go out & earn a living ? I have a news flash. Not everyone is receiving the monopoly money the feds are passing out, other than the $1200 . That $1200 may seem like a substantial amount to some, but if it doesn't even cover a months rent on your livelihood, & you have insurance, utilities, licenses, plus living expenses, well you get the picture. The French researcher Luc Montagnier who 1st identified the aids virus feels this virus may be a failed attempt at an aids vaccine, in which case he says there may never be a vaccine. Others say he's a conspiracy nut. Who knows, but there's at least a possibility this is here to stay. What then ? We're closing in on depression era unemployment numbers. Is that a joke ? Do we make them permanent. If I'm a high risk individual I try to mitigate the risk as best I can. I am not not going to expect my neighbor to submit to a life of poverty, & live in lock down when it may very well not even mitigate my risk one iota. Scary stuff ? Yes, somewhat. But I suppose being dumped out of a boat & told to storm a beech at Normandy or parachuted into some jungle in the dark of night was somewhat scarier, yet countless Americans did that so that we did not have to live in some heavy handed dictatorship where they track your movements, your contacts, tell you what you can purchase, what medical procedures you can have , government paid snitches & all the rest.. These politcians are NOT going to give these powers up easily & keeping the masses afraid is very much needed.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 01:34AM
First let me say that I think some of the restrictions have been too much. Having said that I would not like to be this race promoter if two weeks after his race his area becomes a hot spot for CORONA-19. In our litigious society I would not want to be in his shoes if that hot spot develops.

There is a small town near us that became a hot spot because someone had gone to an insurance conference then came home and went to a party. There were at least 47 cases and 6 deaths that were thought to be a result of this one interaction.

I don't have the answers and can see both sides but I don't buy the theory that it is a phony illness made up for political reasons. I also don't buy that it's no worse than the seasonal flu, you don't have 700+ people dying in one city in one day day after day from the seasonal flu.

S'no Farmer

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 02:15AM
but don't you think it needs to run it's natural course, no vaccine for a some what long time for sure,staying home now just delays the outbreak til later???? We need to get immune from contacting the virus, we as a people in general are very weak, to much running to the dr. for every little thing makes us more vulnerable.Some will die,(as proven), same with any sickness, no answers here, just questions and not much good info for and meaningful fix.We are way to mobile for one thing, we flew into China for six weeks after the virus was known about.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 03:54AM
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but don't you think it needs to run it's natural course, no vaccine for a some what long time for sure,staying home now just delays the outbreak til later???? We need to get immune from contacting the virus.

That's one of the biggest unknowns we have right now, will we ever become naturally immune? I'm guessing No (but that's just a guess). There are a growing numbers of cases where people are contracting the virus a second time. Those people were positive, recovered, and have tested negative for a month and a half. Then they have re-contracted the virus and tested positive again. There's also a growing number of cases where people are unable to clear the virus from their system at all. They've continued to test positive for months and have been living in complete isolation for months for fear of spreading the contagion. Months... alone... isolated... Not "locked down" with their family but still able to go to the grocery store... or for walks... or play in their yards... months of solitary confinement with a hope that they test negative at some point.

Is it a problem with the testing? Is it a problem with our immune response? We just don't know yet.

We don't even know yet if you will fight it off in a similar fashion the second time or if your bodies response different? Will your body handle it better? or will your body handle it worse? We just don't have enough data yet.

As for vaccines, yes we may never get one... or do we already have one, it's one more factor we don't know yet. We currently have 5 vaccine candidates that are in clinical trials (in actual human testing... right now). We have at least another 7-10 vaccine candidates that will start human testing in 2020. There are another +60 vaccine candidates that will start human testing by this time next year. Johnson & Johnson is so confident in one of their vaccine candidates they are going to manufacture 1,000,000,000 doses before it's received approval. You don't make that kind of decision unless you feel pretty good about it's efficacy. The resources being thrown at this are absolutely unprecedented. Again, all we need is some time to see if they work. Personally, if I had to put money on it I'd say we already have a vaccine, it just needs time to be proven safe and effective.



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 07:28AM
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That's one of the biggest unknowns we have right now, will we ever become naturally immune? I'm guessing No (but that's just a guess). There are a growing numbers of cases where people are contracting the virus a second time. Those people were positive, recovered, and have tested negative for a month and a half. Then they have re-contracted the virus and tested positive again. There's also a growing number of cases where people are unable to clear the virus from their system at all. They've continued to test positive for months and have been living in complete isolation for months for fear of spreading the contagion. Months... alone... isolated... Not "locked down" with their family but still able to go to the grocery store... or for walks... or play in their yards... months of solitary confinement with a hope that they test negative at some point

We don't even know yet if you will fight it off in a similar fashion the second time or if your bodies response different? Will your body handle it better? or will your body handle it worse? We just don't have enough data yet.

Jake, I read an interesting response on another website about reinfection. It was interesting enough to post here (including spelling errors). I have no knowledge whether the person who posted is in the medical or scientific profession (I would say likely no). I neither agree nor disagree with him. His idea is an interesting take on the reinfection phenomenon. He may be onto something... or full of beans.

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There is ZERO evidence of reinfection. What there is evidence of is the virus reappearing in patients. What that means is that they produced a negative test, and later tested positive again.

To put that into perspective, let's just say that 5% of the population has the virus. That would mean that 5 out of 100 people have it. For those 5 people to become "reinfected" would mean that they would need to once again have to be exposed to the virus (again, 5% chance that that could happen) and then contract the disease a second time from exposure. At that point you have a 25 out of 10,000 chance of that happening AT THE MOST.

However, what we don't know, is how infectious the disease really is. Believe it or not, not everyone who is exposed to an infectious disease actual gets it. That's why you could live in your house with someone with the flu and not contract it. Is it because you wore a mask and washed your hands and never had a single viral molecule enter your body? Likely no, more likely is you had a strong immune system and were able to fight it off.

So what is more likely: The 25 out of 10,000 chance that you get reinfected again and thus antibodys are useless against this virus and no one ever develops an immunity (making this virus completely unique compared to literally every other virus known to man.) OR, in an immunocompromised state after fighting off a strong virus your body simply didn't have enough antibodies yet to prevent viral RNA from reactivating?

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 02:47AM
One of the main reasons for the social distancing, self quarantine is to flatten out the curve. If we had not had these things put in place the medical field would have been completely over run. As it is now in some hot spots our medical staff is being pressed to the max. Does every restriction make sense, no. Take a look at all the varing points of view that are expressed on this site where basically we all have the same background and interests. Now imagine a diversified town, city , state and trying to please everyone.



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 02:53AM
The medical field would have been overrun with the bogus numbers that the models projected, which already had social distancing factored in, that we now know were comletely wrong. The curve everyone wanted to flatten was flattened when more accurate numbers were released.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 03:40AM
V8 ; I would like to respond to your post but it makes no sense. Let me get this straight, the medical field was over run by bogus numbers. I believe they were over run with sick people. And maybe, just maybe these so called bogus numbers are a result of the social distancing, quarantining that was put in place. Or maybe everyone took the miracle drug [Hydroxychloroquine] that President Trump pushed for weeks, However, facts and logic don't fit into your narrative.



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Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 04:16AM
The curve everybody wanted ti flatten was based on bogus numbers ( the 2.2 million deaths that were predicted) and the only place the medical field was over run was in New York and maybe parts of California. Other place there's been plenty od beds, ventilators and ppe available. Turn off the MSM.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 05:38AM
It was my understanding the early models, the 1-2.5 million deaths was factoring in the lock down, shelter in place, whatever that days term was. I was never aware New York City, the hot spot of hot spots ,medical system ended up being over run. I saw some temporary field type hospitals were put up, but also heard the big navy ship went basicly unused. Good news for sure. I think what v8 puller is trying to say is that the models put out there change almost daily & are almost always wrong. Way wrong. Meanwhile chemotherapy, heart procedures, etc. Are being put off based on these models. I heard one man with a shattered leg bone complain he was sent home with a brochure on how to spot gangrene because his shattered leg was not life threatening. However the 4.4 million unemployment numbers are not models, they are real. Thank you very much communist China.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 26, 2020 03:49AM
Just listened to the owner of a drag strip in Norwalk Ohio publicly announce he's opening his facility this year with or without permission of the governor, who as he correctly assessed don't know I exist & don't care. He makes a good case it's not about greed, it's about survival. Be interesting to see how that plays out. He pointed out things he's had to consider including the wildly inaccurate death projections , the decline in new cases & a media that reports like facts don't matter. To that end I was listening to the radio last night. I think it was ABC news, report Milwaukee County WI. announced that 40 people were infected with covid due to the in person voting during the primary, double ( emphasis on double ) what was first reported. End of story. A few questions immediately came to mind. How did you know these 40 infections were a result of in person voting ? What percentage of the population of Milwaukee County is this ? How many of these 40 cases resulted in hospitalizations & or death. Why were the initial numbers 100 % off ? None of this addressed. Why not ? Don't fit the agenda maybe ?? The sad part as I look back is if the government had not over reacted by shuttering every little business they could think of & passing out 3 trillion $$ in monopally maybe they could have directed some real help to business that depend on larger gatherings, which seem to be the most risky. I wish the drag strip the best.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 26, 2020 04:29AM
He as already walked those comments back. Now he is going to not open.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 25, 2020 05:52AM
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The curve everybody wanted ti flatten was based on bogus numbers ( the 2.2 million deaths that were predicted) and the only place the medical field was over run was in New York and maybe parts of California. Other place there's been plenty od beds, ventilators and ppe available. Turn off the MSM.

Who predicted 2.2 million deaths in 2 weeks with lock downs?
I have seen estimates in that 2 million range over the next 12 to 24 months, but none that said 2.2 million would die during the lock down.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 02:23AM
Well said Pen...Theres no guarantee that a successful Covid-19 vaccine will ever be developed..We all know that we cant stay locked down forever...If and when the states governors open things back up,some people will have to make a choice...Do I wait this out and stay at home for whom knows how long,or do I try and go on with life the best way that I can facing the unknown..

This may sound real harsh but mankind thought that they had things all figured out and could face anything....Then Covid-19 came along and brought us the most scariest thing that most of us have ever seen...For thousands of years when sickness hit only the strong survived...Sadly,it may come down to that again..A couple of years ago I visited my grandparents grave site in another state..Beside them were graves of 3 infant children that didnt survive because they didnt know what to do back then..My Dad and 6 other kids all died of old age..

For me the choice is easy...I'm in my early 70's and in good health...I'll be at the first tractor pull or tractor show that can legally be held in my area whether it be in 2020 or 2021..I cant wait to go eat a good steak at my favorite restaurant if it survives..On the other side is my wife whom is a good christian lady...She is in her mid 60's and in real poor health..She told me the other day that if Covid-19 lasts for years she would just as soon be dead as she didnt grow old to live in fear and not be able to go anywhere or do anything...We all are going to have some choices to make when the time is right.

I hope that this doesn't offend anyone as I didnt mean for it to..

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 09:41AM
All the doomsdayers can quit shedding their possibly covid 19 infected tears and stay safely inside there's no spectators allowed. [www.imca.com]

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 23, 2020 02:23PM
As of tonight, both racetracks will be refunding the admission price paid by the spectators. The only ones allowed will be pit crew for the vehicles. It will be available to watch online for $30 per viewer. The racetracks will be paying the purse out of their own pockets. They have said they know they will lose money but are continuing on. They are trying to keep the governor and board of supervisors for the county happy. Both governor and board said they would not stop it, but they were also not happy is was going to happen. So this is a way to try and keep the peace between all.
Just my opinion but it is local media that is giving them the raking over the coals. It is time to let some things happen and this is a good start. The pit parking has been expanded to keep the distance more than usual and more than the 6' recommended. One venue seated 1500 and they had sold 700 tickets. The other venue seated 4000-4400 and they sold 700 for that also.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 24, 2020 05:24AM
I wonder if staying home alone will make the virus just magically disappear? no none knows, only time will tell. My common sense says that we might be just delaying the spread til later when we come out.Most of the numbers are just guesses, no one knows how many have it with no symptoms and how many deaths need to be in a completely different column.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 24, 2020 06:53AM
1234, I am not sure how many different ways the same thing can be said. The social distancing and isolation WAS TO FLATTEN THE CURVE. One more time, TO FLATTEN THE CURVE for the medical community. If everyone one contacted covid 19 at the SAME time it would have been catastrophic. Please check back on the page because I am sure that this question and answer will be repeated.



Dick Morgan

www.PULLOFF.com
Independent Pulling News

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 24, 2020 11:36AM
I’m afraid that once it makes it’s way through all the bigger cities, as is happening now, the powers that be won’t give a rat’s behind about it going through the rural areas. We don’t really matter, there aren’t many votes out here.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 24, 2020 08:18AM
Way back machine: Park Jefferson Speedway hosted NTPA Copenhagen Skoal Grand National event.
Wasn't a great show numbers were there from pullers, just not from crowds. Also, late night super stock 4 wheeler racing was not a great thing. "ERN"

Not sure if opening a race track at half capacity is the answer, but, it's probably a start for a season of racing. At least a race track has many opportunities to make money during the summer.

Items to consider, NEBRASKA, SOUTH DAKOTA and IOWA have all INCREASED the COVID 19 number of cases and deaths in a very short period of time.

RURAL hospital would service this area, Sioux City area is probably the dig hub. Yankton, Vermillion etc. not huge populations but 80 percent of RURAL Counties have COVID 19 impact.

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 24, 2020 09:10AM
Dick, that logic does make sense,however,my experiences in this hy tech world we Live in -- common sense and logic do not apply so much anymore, - wish it still did

Re: interesting deal at jefferson south dakota April 26, 2020 08:30AM
I couldn’t imagine wearing a mask at a tractor pull in July or August with a mask on.

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