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David Runkle(earls dream)
Have Questions I would like answered or input How can photographers take pictures of tractors and then put it on calendars or make T-shirts or Sweatshirts and then sell them? Should they get permission. Is it legal for these guys to do this?

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lutefisk and lefsa
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Tomah winner
I have a question: why can they take pictures of our trucks and tractors without permission with this so-called "rule" that they can do it cause the promoter allows them, yet we can't use their pictures to our liking without THEIR permission. It seems like photographers get a little too ticked when we use their pictures without permission, yet it's all fine n dandy when they take the picture.

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Bryan Lively

I have a question: why can they take pictures of our trucks and tractors without permission with this so-called "rule" that they can do it cause the promoter allows them, yet we can't use their pictures to our liking without THEIR permission. It seems like photographers get a little too ticked when we use their pictures without permission, yet it's all fine n dandy when they take the picture.

That so-called "rule" is better known as the First Amendment. Like it or not photographers are also photojournalists and their work is protected intellectual property. Again, as I explained earlier, unless a promoter of a private event explicitly limits it, photography is legal and protected. We're rendering a service to be at the right place and right time to get the photos we get...that's exercising a skill that is developed over time with relatively expensive equipment that no smart phone camera can replicate; otherwise it's a blink of an eye moment that would be long forgotten. We're preserving moments and memories...you want to place a value on that?

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Tomah winner


I have a question: why can they take pictures of our trucks and tractors without permission with this so-called "rule" that they can do it cause the promoter allows them, yet we can't use their pictures to our liking without THEIR permission. It seems like photographers get a little too ticked when we use their pictures without permission, yet it's all fine n dandy when they take the picture.

That so-called "rule" is better known as the First Amendment. Like it or not photographers are also photojournalists and their work is protected intellectual property. Again, as I explained earlier, unless a promoter of a private event explicitly limits it, photography is legal and protected. We're rendering a service to be at the right place and right time to get the photos we get...that's exercising a skill that is developed over time with relatively expensive equipment that no smart phone camera can replicate; otherwise it's a blink of an eye moment that would be long forgotten. We're preserving moments and memories...you want to place a value on that?

I never had a problem with photographers doing this, I just wanted to see what the responses would be. I have the confusion though as to why we can't use your photos for free when you can use our tractor for free. Yes, going to the event allows photographers to do that, but what can the pullers get in return? I ask this question because I wanted to use a picture that Harold Card Photo took to use on t shirts, and I got yes from him, but why couldn't I just have made the shirts and given him a free shirt and not have to ask permission from him.

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lutefisk and lefsa
Nope, if you take your truck/tractor to a public venue its open content.

If they owe anyone anything, it should be the promoter getting paid for the access.

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Unpopular opinion
What’s confusing to bystanders is if it’s a video which In my limited brain capacity takes the same kind of time and equipment to produce as a photo, the revenue model is watch, share, like, follow and suscribe….all free! But on a photo it’s you must pay me or face my wrath, just seems like the revenue model needs a change to keep up with changes in technology??

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doc Riley
A promoters side:
If you pay admission to an event, it's no longer "public" and there is usually a promoter involved. Since cell phone cameras are so a part of everyday life a promoter can't do much about what you do with the image. You probably are not making money from that image. So, event venues restrict you type of equipment and location. Zoom lens and pro style cameras are usually not allowed or require a PRESS/Photo Pass. That credential gives you access to key photo locations. As a guy who approved thousands of photo/press passes for sanctioning bodies and event producers, Simple rule of thumb. Let me see examples of your past work and where your images were used. Give me a copy of what you shot at my event. I can use those for marketing, advertising etc. for the sanctioning body. That's my tradeoff. If I have to hunt you down and ask repeatedly for copy of what you shot....you won't be give access to any of the events I work....I really didn't care about your calendar or book use. If you gave acknowledgement of the photos used more the better.
Video can be live or delayed BROADCAST. If a media production company has gained rights to the content of the event. I CAN DENY you video credentials and if you shoot from the grandstands I can ask you to stop or remove you from the event.
If you use a video that you didn't shoot or have rights to and you sell or profit the rightsholder may come after you. Probably not unless you make big bucks....
That same video product is like the photograph.
Most pullers sign their photo or likeness image at events to the licensing company/sanctioning body. Doesn't mean pullers can't produce their own t-shirts etc.
Videos shown on utube or additional social media are treated as content and not moneytized promotional product.

Merry Christmas to all. Don't be afraid to buy a 12 month puller inspired daily keeper of events.