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Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
When I look at truck and tractor pulling one thing is glaringly obvious, pulling is still in 1980. Sure the sleds are better, the vehicles look more professional, every class is making more HP year after year. However more HP has not translated into any different show. The track is basically the same length, same dirt, same show. However with in increase of more HP it has caused more breakage, more cost, fewer vehicles. The only growth is in the single charger, lower HP classes. After most multi national session events the number that can hook on day two is sometimes only 2/3 of the class. Not fair to the promoters, not fair to the fans. The travel, the time, the expense it's daunting to say the least. However over time the issue will take care of it's self in the 4000+ HP classes, with
aging driver pool, expense, etc those classes will struggle to survive. Having a class of 5 vehicles should be run as an exhibition show, 5 vehicles in a class is not fair to the fans. Sure in some classes 8/10 may show up, however more than half the classes will run 100' of the pace, not a good show. However there is one area in pulling that has certainly far out paced the the actual show it's self. The countless sites that have video's, photo's, content pertaining to pulling. The information that Sascha posted on the European pulling world. Jesse Post with great photo's and video's, Dan Mayer with his " Pulling Reference site", BMPT with it's never ending video's, photo's, promotion on the sport, No Practice Pod Cast with it's real time valuable information, with interviews that feature drivers, promoters, builders and fans that brings great information in a fun, informative way. The list is almost endless of sites with information from antiques to Unlimited Mods. The real time results, that are available at almost every national event. The impact of social media is amazing. However the show it's self is still the same show as 1980, is that a good thing or not? Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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not following
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What exactly is your point?
What specifically is so 1980 to you? What are you desiring to see/feel badly needs changed? If your beef is the HP wars, it is what it is. You won't change it.......and you already stated that essentially attrition will take care of that level all by itself. You say same length track and same dirt.......has any drag strip radically changed it's format for any glaring reason? Do we not still race in the same way and on the same surface as the day it was born? I am not saying you are wrong to ask questions, I'm just not sure what you think is wrong (1980's as you have stated) or what needs to change? To me pulling will always be what it is, it has a limited yet specific following, and I'm ok with not fighting off crowds of hundreds of thousands so that I can view it properly. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
I guess I didn't express my point very well. It was thinking out loud I guess.
What I was trying to get to: what does national pulling need to change, if anything, will the show look the same in 5 to 10 years. Will new pullers show up to fill the high HP classes? In it's current form will pulling still appeal to the next generation? Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2024 03:58AM by Dick Morgan. |
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Fan 2
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The best thing that could happen for pulling in the future is to make sure no new potential pullers or promoters EVER set their eyes on this message board!! This is the last place they should come for an objective view of pulling! |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
Fan 2: so that begs the question; why are you reading the page at all? Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2024 06:45AM by Dick Morgan. |
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Re: Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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TOM
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This weekend, the Dream Late Model race is going on at Eldora Speedway in Ohio. Saturday night's main event will pay something like $130,000 to win. There are 90somethign entries, maybe more if a few more pulled in the gate. Their other bit late model race, the World 100, is the weekend after Labor Day and is the most prestigious dirt late model race. If you went back to the 1970s, other than the # of entries being smaller than the 240 they had then, the track is the same. The cars look similar, especially once they went to the more aerodynamic bodies of the 1980s. The feature is still 100 laps. Yet, they still draw fans. The event outline has not changed and still works. Same with the Indy 500, or an NHRA race. The cars have more advanced rules, but the Indy 500 had their 2nd highest # of tickets sold since their 100th anniversary race a few years ago. I don't think it is necessarily the track length, or the sleds. Some classes, especially diesel supers, may eventually head to a more European-style national pull where the classes run once. Losing 1/2 or more of the Session 1 vehicles in Session 2 is not a good look, especially when the Saturday night Session 2 crowds are almost always the largest of the weekend. The rural background of most fans in the 1970s has been replaced by a populace with is more suburban. Lots of farmland in 1975 has been developed into housing additions, car lots, mega-warehouses, etc. Those folks who grew up around tractors are lost, and not coming back. |
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Ahh..........this is what I believe is the real problem right here:
"Those folks who grew up around tractors are lost, and not coming back" Corporate/Factory farming has also completely ruined the demographic that built the sport. It is also the animal that is helping feed the HP wars as well (to a degree). |
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Registered: 02/23/2012 Posts: 561 |
I’ll be there Saturday night for the first time, I was already thinking how it will compare, we went to Norwalk last year for the first time to the NHRA, that was a great experience and will continue to go every year, pulling should take notes as to how they operate especially with their sound system |
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Registered: 02/23/2012 Posts: 561 |
Went to Eldora and it was great, top notch facility and very well run event.
My take away is that was a very diverse crowd, most were passionate fans of what they were there to see, just by all the drivers t shirts and the passion they had for their drivers, much like you USED to see at a pull, the big thing that I noticed there and at Norwalk is that everyone is watching the racing, very very few people on their phones, unlike at a pull, so I think there’s an attention problem in pulling,and maybe not to many passionate fans anymore, more of a social event As a puller I personally don’t care if there is anyone in the stands, I’m there for the 15 second rush,but as a fan I’ll have to admit the other motor sports are a lot more exciting to set and watch The interviews of drivers by flow racing, the fireworks, the scoreboard all helped keep things interesting |
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not following
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Thanks for clarifying.......that helps me understand! 
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plb
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My opinion was deleted. it was a valid point I thought.... |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
I deleted it because it had nothing to do with the topic. If you want to post your political opinion feel free to use the " off topic forum ". Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2024 12:15PM by Dick Morgan. |
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plb
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It had everything to do with the topic. Keep your head in the sand at your own risk..Think "Big Picture" here, Or, end game..As a fan. I to am getting fed up with all the single charger diesel classes out there and will not go to some pulls anymore because of it. |
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well
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Until limits and restrictions are put on these high hp classes the numbers will always have a lot of variability due to cost, imagine if nascar only had a few limits cubic inch/blower, it would be chaos. |
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Re: Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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Ppl puller
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1980 .
Bowling Green sells out what!! 3000- 4000 campsites in a few short weeks every year . How many thousand fans go . They had to put in stricter rules this year to tame the crowd #s there . I'd say the 1980 way of pulling is still working here . |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
I realize that my first post was very disjointed. What I was trying to say was that pulling it's self has not embraced any new technology, pullers are still scouring junk yards for engine blocks. The overall show could stand a face lift. A few ideas have been posted numerous times. Ideas like a top speed obtained during the pull, strain gauges to let the fans know how much weight each class is pulling, yes, traction control, I know that traction control is a taboo topic among the pullers that are not using it and even the pullers that are using it. The sport is really about the fans, traction control allows the fans to see more vehicles go down the track. Lets face it traction control is used by some/many pullers. It will take away the advantage those using it now have. I'm sure there are several more ideas that national organizations could use. And using BG as your bench mark is not fair to the rest of the sport. BG is the largest, best show that the pulling world has to offer. No one does it better, however how many of the other 100 national events have more that 10k fans at their events? And I don't believe that they sell 3000 to 4000 camping sites. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Ppl puller
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Let me rephrase . They have 2100 in house camping sites at bowling Green.
I wonder how many locals house campers and campgrounds in the outside. ( Undetermined non factual for this # on my part ) My thoughts, maybe we should learn how BG do things to grow the old way of the sport . We all must remember it's a business...and businesses steal business ideas to get the business. It's a fact . Figure out the business of BG , you will get your answers in my opinion. Local level Saturday night fair pulls can't sustain the cost hardly to reinvent a 1980 sport . Everything is two expensive for a weekly event. Maybe I'm off topic...in that few paragraphs. But ita a combined business |
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Registered: 09/26/2021 Posts: 80 |
2,121 campsites. |
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Re: Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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Alkyfan
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Seems pulling as a whole needs you dick to pony up the money and take it over
You guys always seem to have the answers without any skin in the game |
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Re: Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
Pulloff is a site that is used by many people [ including you ] to express their opinions. And it's a very lame comment to say if you can do it better then put up the money and shown us how. I'm a fan, not a puller,nor promoter, just a fan that happens to see it a certain way. I'm sorry if this offends you. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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FansOnly
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One thing that ain't changed and won't. Is the leadership of the national organizations see pulling as a way to make a living, not as a hobby like the pullers are forced to do. |
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Re: Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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TAP
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The funny thing is every time an organization tries to changes something, only negative comments come out. Take for example the whole online registration debate.
Organizations: Hey we found a way to be more predictable to promotors, fans and competitors. Plus it'll mean less time standing in line outside a trailer. Pullers: Here's 100 reasons why the system is rigged and a few are controlling everyone and gambling is the devil. Pulling doesn't change because pullers don't want it to, it's that simple. |
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THE EARLY ONLINE REGISTATION IS A BAD IDEA.LETS SAY A PULLER GOES TO BENSON NC PULLS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY THEN DRIVES HOME ON SUNDAY 7 OR 8 HUNDRED MILES OR MORE GETS HOME LATE SUNDAY NIGHT OR EARLY MONDAY MORNING HAS NOT EVEN HAD TIME TO LOOK AT TRACTOR OR TRACTORS TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS WRONG OR BROKEN AND THEN EXPECTED TO SIGN UP FOR THE NEXT PULL BY NOON ON MONDAY.THE PROMOTER DOES NOT NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY ARE COMING HE CANT ADD TO PARKING TO HIS GROUNDS IN 4 DAYS .NTPA SHOULD DRAW PULLING ORDER IN FRONT OF PULLERS LIKE OSTPA NOT IN SECRET.AND TRACK LENGTH SHOULD BE NO LONGER THAN 320 FOOT. AT BOWLING GREEN IN THE MINI CLASS THE MAJORITY OF BREAKAGE WAS ON THE LONG RUNS PAST 320 FEET. |
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Fan 2
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From a fan perspective I like the early registration for the purpose of attending pulls. The lineups look really good, and the Unlimiteds are in Hutchinson. I had every intention of going there this weekend. Unfortunately, 775 miles one way was a little much for me to take a chance with the weather forecast for Saturday up there. A better forecast and I would be there. Hopefully the weather folks are as accurate up there as they are here and the pull goes off without a problem both nights. |
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 646 |
I've said for several years that at some point in the not too distant future the two or three premier high dollar classes will become exhibition only. I hope I'm wrong but doing the work and spending the cubic dollars it takes to keep these machines on the track is very difficult. The old guard that is willing to do this is getting gray and thin just like my hair!
I know I get tired and I don't even run in the elite classes that require more money and more time. S'no Farmer |
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TOM
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Nobody likes being dictated to. Many pullers are successful businessmen with lots of money and used to being in charge. They've spent massive funds to pull at the level they wish to compete at.
That being said, one solution is for a benevolent dictator to implement rules as needed with an eye to sustainability. Isn't that basically what Doug did with Outlaws? The question is- was Doug's approach successful for Outlaws as a whole? |
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Badgerfan
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The only thing wrong with pulling is we have tunnel vision and only care about ourselves. The only time we want change is when it benefits us or our tractor. We need to open up to watching other organizations and our neighbors across the pond to get ideas on what worked for them and try it here. We need to start changing our focus away from creating more classes or modifying more classes to how do we put on a better show, how do we make it more exciting, how do we draw and keep a spectator for 3 to 4 hours without losing them. If you want it to survive, change, and grow you need the fans. The younger generation is fast paced every second is exciting or I get bored easily. We need to meet them at there level at some point. Funny to hear Dick say that when in the last thread he asked pullers to stay home until they get more money. If we better our product and draw more eyes you will draw more money. We also need to get pullers to realize if they want bigger pay outs like racing they need to open there wallets for bigger entry fees. Allot of the racing organizations can give better pay outs because there is a larger entry fee that goes into the purse. I have heard Simons say it, I have heard team Galot say it and I have seen it on TV.
I find it funny Dick is saying nothing has changed since 1980. Things are starting to change and or talk about change and Dick is the first to bring up the negatives and how its not good (new websites, FullPull, early registration, betting, anything NTPA well mostly NTPA.). Even when the pullers are for the change. I can watch videos on Youtube from the 80's yeah its fun to watch and reminisce but I would rather see a modern day pull. Tracks are better, vehicles are better, shows are faster paced, and teams are way more professional just to name a few. You are the first to tell someone when they complain maybe they shouldn't be on this site. (this is the only place where the owner of the website will chase away his patrons) But your always the first to complain and then tell us this is an opinion forum where anyone can talk. Ever notice most of the other organizations that have podcasts and interviews always discuss the negativity here and talk about how they don't pay much attention. Why don't you see any of the bigger names on here commenting anymore? The negativity is what sucks the fun and life out of the sport. |
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Re: One answer
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 676 |
I have to take issue with the premise of a larger entry fee contributing to a larger purse. That is ultimately an unsustainable model. Sure, your winning check may be bigger, but it was not from more attendance, or more and bigger sponsors. Those dollars came right out of the trailers parked around you. Sooner or later, fewer trailers will show up.
CP |
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
Badgefan; Thanks for response, I guess I've never thought about how media platforms view the page or my posts, it's not about " likes" or "traffic" for me, it's just what I think. I could write all day long on how great pulling is, which I agree with.
However I see things that the sport/organizations could do ( in my opinion ) to improve their product. I write about things that I believe need to change to make the pulling a long term motorsport. I certainly have nothing against any organization, to me NTPA, PPL and Outlaws, they are all doing the best as they see it. They all put on a first rate show, but successful businesses are always trying to improve their products. Pulling is no different than any other business, constant improvement. Someone posted recently that pulling should find out what BG does and why do they have the biggest, best pull in the world. It's simple, every year they review the previous years pull and make changes to improve their pull. I'm not saying that others promoters aren't also trying to improve their show year after year, but for BG it's what drives them, they review from session to session, year after year. No magic, just always making changes that benefit the pullers and fans. It's that simple. Once again only my opinion. Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2024 11:40PM by Dick Morgan. |
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Badgerfan
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CP I was just sharing what some of the other racing orgs do and what a couple of pullers that cross over to the racing world thought was a good idea. Everyone always asks why they have larger pay outs then pulling, that is one reason, weather it is right or not or will work or not for pulling I don't know but the racing orgs still pull allot of racers at those bigger events even though they have to pay more to win. Some are also winner takes all or a split between the top 2 or 3 and they still have large turnouts for competitors and no issues filling there brackets. If we invest a half million or more in a vehicle but then complain about a $1000 entry fee it doesn't make sense in my mind (we also buy a $20,000 turbo at the drop of a hat).
Dick, I agree discussion is good for changes being made or changes coming. Having a negative attitude towards them all the time and bashing it before you know all the facts or how the competitors feel about it is a downer. You can also look at other posts (even a recent one related to Farley) you get called out for constantly bashing the NTPA and no one else. No one talks about the PPL or Outlaws too much here anymore good or bad. Too bad they don't make major changes trying to improve as well that stirs the pot occasionally. If stirring the pot is bad why does the organization that stirs it the most have the bigger list of competitors if they are truly that bad? As I said before I like all the organizations and appreciate what they do, unfortunately they all don't get the same shake down on here. Here's a fun idea, too bad the class rules differ between some of them though. The 3 big orgs work together have there own points systems and have an end of year Enderle style pull where they come together and top 3 from each class run for the big money or title. If they worked together you could also iron out class scheduling and share classes at each event instead of forcing competitors to chose where they go or forcing promoters to not be allowed to have a class or classes because of overlap between the big 3. |
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Moderator Registered: 03/19/2018 Posts: 676 |
I do agree that I wish there was enough overlap for an end of season shootout.
CP |
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The NTPA
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Moderator Registered: 03/25/2008 Posts: 1,540 |
Badgerfan; I started to think about why I always have the NTPA in my cross-hairs, I think it's because I view the NTPA to be the leader in the sport. They are first when it comes to safety, class rules, show quality. Not that PPL and Outlaws don't have programs of their own that address these issues, however by and large the NTPA has taken this role and done it very well. With the hiring by PPL of Larry Richwine I expect to see PPL having a larger presence in rules and safety. Larry was the driving force in these area's for the NTPA, now hopefully PPL will also take that role. And the Outlaws have rules and classes that fit their pullers perfectly. I remember when everything Doug Roberts did was viewed with skepticism, time has proven that Doug was right in a lot of these areas. I view NTPA in a different light than the other organizations. Dick Morgan www.PULLOFF.com Independent Pulling News |
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Re: The NTPA
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Sounds
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I get that to a point because I used to feel that same way about NTPA. With that said then my question is why did so many NTPA member states leave NTPA years ago? |
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Re: The NTPA
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Registered: 04/04/2008 Posts: 1,564 |
Good question |
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1997 or 98
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Moderator Registered: 07/06/2008 Posts: 1,420 |
I believe in the same year, NYTPA, ESP, and East Coast joined ATPA, IA joined Outlaws, and Illinois went independent. Cannot recall if the new roll cage requirement plated a role or not. |
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Why did member states leave
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Registered: 01/07/2022 Posts: 121 |
That’s such a loaded question. I can speak most specifically on Ohio and in a broader sense make educated guesses on others. I do know specifically with Illinois it was a clash of personalities between the leader of Illinois (Mike Miller is the name in my head, don’t know if that’s right) and DPS and the roll cage issue was also the straw that kinda broke the proverbial back. I also know that DPS didn’t believe NTPA needed member states to survive. Was he right?? I don’t know, I do know R2 has grown to the point over the last 20 years they have had to split it into sub regions. So as far as my neck of the woods goes business is good for NTPA. So why did Ohio leave? First you have to understand that Ohio from a historical point of view, we were spoiled well into the early 2000s. Ohio pulls were often a who’s who of pulling. The list of GN vehicles and champions that would show up to an OSTPA event is to long to go through and I don’t want to forget somebody. State organizations always felt like an after thought and as if they didn’t matter. NTPA was receiving thousands upon thousands of dollars in membership money and the states were getting very little in return was the general feeling that all the focus was on the GN. Again, see thoughts on NTPA not seeing member states as vital to future success. There was also always a sense of competition between the state and NTPA. Both vying for the business of the promoters in Ohio. There was a point in time in Ohio where they could almost guarantee you a GN caliber show every event but at a state price and not GN price. With guys like Jim Miller running their shows, national champions on the executive board the bar was set high. So to keep attracting that level of talent year end points money becomes a thing. Along comes Lucas Oil PPL offering 10k per class in year end points and the rest is history.
States as a whole like to do their own thing. NTPA’s rule book provided uniformity as far as safety but that is where most uniformity stops. For instance in Ohio for the SS class who has what head, what CI, and what fuel all have a different weight and hitch height. Some are 8300, some are 8000, some run at 20” drawbar, some at 18” etc. So the states decided what worked best for them concerning their shows. Safety rules were followed but what may be able to run the SS class in Ohio may not be able to run the SS class in Indiana or UPOC. Really it was just a combination of a bunch of little things over time that I believe states and NTPA realized maybe they don’t need each other. Many of the states have become excellent in the marketing and attracting sponsors, many of them have extremely well run shows. Did it hurt the long time viability of the sport, you can make an argument both ways. |
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Re: Why is tractor/truck organizations still operating like it's 1980?
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CB1997
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I was talking with a fellow puller in the class i run in this past saturday night about payouts. He said he was going through some stuff in his basement and found a photocopy check for 1st place in that class in 1990. paid 200 bucks. That could explain why lot of trucks/tractors are still sitting and proved a point as to why i don't run mine very often. For goodness sakes we're pulling for the same prize money we did 30+ years ago. And he was saying he's got more money in the cylinder heads now than he did in the whole truck he pulled with then. I mean you sink all that money into it, and considering the diesel fuel, racing fuel, entry fee, and other various things. You're losing a lot of money even if you place. some can't afford it some can. Personally i'm not gonna go broke or deep in debt chasing a hobby. I understand these promotors are wanting to have pulls but the associations need to either add a little more to the quote they provide the promotors to sanction a pull or if you have some classes empty or short. take the payouts from that and split it up amongst the ones who showed up instead of putting it back in the promotors or association pockets. Just a thought |
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Badgerfan
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By your comments I am guessing you never worked on scheduling or getting contracts signed. Most places if you raise the cost to the promoter you are going to lose the pull. If we raise prices the promoter needs to make the difference up somewhere. Are we bringing a better show, more tractors, drawing a bigger crowd, or anything different to make the increase worth it for the promoter? Not really we just want more money. Scheduling events and figuring out price there is a fine line to walk. We can easily be replaced by a band or some other form of entertainment. And none of our promoters that I know of are big organizations making tons of money off us. They are all non profits that depend on the money they make off the event to survive. Most of which goes back into the community. We knew when we built the tractor we weren't going to make money but we built it anyway, why complain about it after the fact?
We as pullers are the dumb ones for paying the extra money and allowing rules to open up to let us go bigger, better, and more expensive when there is absolutely no gain for us by doing it other than we might be at the top for a few events or a season until the others catch up. Until we increase the excitement level, bring in higher attendance, and bigger sponsors there will not be more money for the pullers. One thing that is different from the 80's or 90's is we don't have title sponsors anymore like Skoal or Wrangler back in the day or the main stream TV coverage. We shot ourselves in the foot losing them because we knew better or didn't want to promote them (we still have the same attitude and I hear it on here allot, I'm not putting the sticker on they didn't sponsor me directly. They might not have but they supported the check you got at the pull or end of year). Yeah we had Lucas for a while but he didn't see the money in it and backed off as well. |
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Less is more
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Registered: 01/07/2022 Posts: 121 |
You make a true statement that if you raise the purse you will lose promoters. I don’t see this as a bad thing. Less hooks would mean more participation. Look no further than Clinton County the year of COVID. In R2 there were so many hooks for certain classes (30+) they've split the region multiple ways depending on the class. So now instead of getting 8-10 to show up you’re getting 3-5. County fairs won’t switch to concerts. To book an act that will draw people you are going to spend 2-3x as much as you do on a pull. I’ve done my time on a fairboard and know this to be a fact. So if you increased the purse by 30% and lost a few promoters and guys now have fewer hooks to make I see this as a win. It will increase participation, a lot of guys will quit cherry picking events. Right now the market is oversaturated with pulling. |
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To your point
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TOM
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A few years ago, Light Pros were falling out of the trees like apples in R2. They had many hooks, and split the region.
Now, they're lucky to get 7 or 8 to show up when 5 years ago they could get 20+, sometimes pushing 30 at a pull like Ft. Recovery. More hooks didn't translate to more Light Pro participation. (Also, success breeds copycats. A number of the PPL light pros, and OSTPA light/limited pros, and Indiana Pulling League light/limited pros are guys who in prior years may have ran in R2). Light pro is a great class, but an honest assessment would conclude it's been diluted in R2 because of all the R2 hooks, plus OSTPA and IPL hooks where those tractors are legal. |
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