Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 04:18AM
Anyone who runs pro stock in ohio and penn better be on the lookout shotgun red ran awesome at wooster ohio on saturday night. sled operator put two blocks in the box and he still went 368 and something



coming off the line
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 06:38AM
hard to believe they haven't gone component.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 07:12AM
Were there any other prostocks at Wooster? Any update on the Deere that had the flywheel come apart?

DPS
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 11:51AM
SHOT GUN RED DID AWESOME,,, I WAS THERE,,,SEEN HIM RUN... ALSO SEEN THE FLYWHEEL COME APART...BYALL WAS THE KIID DRIVING THE 4010. HE WALKED AWAY WIITH A FRACTURE TIBIA AND LOTS OF BRUSIES..... TALKED TO HIM ON THE PHONE AND HE WAS IN GOOD SPIRITS. i HAVE PIC OF THE TRACTOR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM. THE CRAZY THING ABOUT THE FLYWHEEL IIS THE BOLT WERE STILL IN THE PART OF THE FLYWHEEL AND WAS STILL ATTACHED,,, NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

I GREW UP TRACTOR PULLING WATCHING MY DAD AND UNCLE PULL,,, WE RAN DEERE 4020. MY DAD IS A DEERE MECHANIC OF 50 YEARS,, HE IS WELL KNOWN FOR HIS WORK IN WAYNE COUNTY,,,,
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 12:12PM
Cummins+IH= A great combo.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 01:05PM
lol cummins ok,,, as for ih well,,, ,,,, kidding
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 01:33PM
Well it sure wouldn't work in a Deere ! Deere and Cummins are as far apart as you could get.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 02:18PM
I know at least the 8960 and 8970 articulated tractors had Cummins in them. I don't think they were ever put in any 2wd applications, though.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 04:09PM
you all are couch pullers if you knew anything that would be a surprise it didnt have the cummins in it they went back to the dt still working on the cummins
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 11:51AM
pspuller, you didn't have to be a jerk about it. I hadn't heard anything about them switching back. Will they ever return to Cummins ?
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 01:39PM
okkk ... lol..... how aout a minnie mo with cummins pistons???? how does that sound??
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 01:45PM
I don't what the heck deeredaughter meant. All I said was are they ever going back to the Cummins again ?
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 02:05PM
my dad knew lorentz...
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 02:07PM
That's good to hear ! I've been a fan of Lorenz and Wilkins for years. I heard somebody say they worked for John Deere at one time. Is that true ?
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 02:11PM
my dad did...
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 01:41PM
pulled out my alchol engine so i can blow smoke with my cummins pistons...
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Re: Shotgun Red May 03, 2010 04:12PM
what was the name of the 4020 they pulled also seemed they aged 5 years since yesterday
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 01:53PM
l\the orgninal owner never pulled a 4020 lornintz is the his name he ran a 466 motor...if it has a cummins in iit now then it is by new owner and that 466 motor had deere6030 pistons in it they bored the sleves and put deere pistons in it,,,, deere piston have a steel insert and they will not bust
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 02:04PM
deeredaughter, Lorenz never owned Shotgun Red. You're talking about Sneaky Snake. Sneaky Snake is still running an IH motor. I've never heard about it having 6030 Deere pistons. I remember a 4320 JD called Deere Harvester had an IH head on a JD block. Sneaky Snake is now in Michigan in the hands of Henry Smith who has done a fine job with the tractor.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 05:09PM
6030 piston never fit in ih block piston dia to big 5.125 have no cylinder wall
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 05:44PM
Actually, stock 6030 pistons are 4.75. Remember that ALL 6030's had 531 CID. Not 619 CID as many think.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 04, 2010 05:54PM
Right about that elderly deere
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Re: Shotgun Red May 05, 2010 05:28AM
Lorenz/Wilkens pulling team did own shotgun red... for those of you who weren't around pulling back in the 70's and 80's... That tractor was Bartie Nelson's original "Dreaded Red"... Bartie was rumored to have given it back to Hypermax. Since basically everything under the hood was from Hypermax at the time. Then was sold by Hypermax to the Lorenz/Wilkens team..
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Re: Shotgun Red May 05, 2010 11:33AM
I thought somebody said Wilkins bought Shotgun Red from Bartie, because John ran it as Dreaded Red for a couple of years then switched it to Shotgun Red. John still owns Shotgun Red and he, Paul Wolfe and John Lorenz drive the tractor.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 05, 2010 01:48PM
show of hands who thinks deeredaughter is full of hot air
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Re: Shotgun Red May 05, 2010 01:51PM
This hand won't come up. I believe her about Sneaky Snake having Deere pistons, after all her dad knew Lorenz. pspuller, you lost my vote especially after the comment about us "couch pullers".
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Re: Shotgun Red May 06, 2010 10:43AM
Don't know about the red ones... but I know of some retired orange pro stocks that were using 619 deere pistons. Actually had the bore and stroke to exactly match the 619. In that class there is no replacement for displacement was a closely followed rule for many years.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 06, 2010 12:14PM
i think you have been told wrong or misunderstood the bore on a 619 is 5.12 [if my memory serves me]. a orange block isnt physicly big enough to take it. back in the day everyone had 4.75 bore .
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Re: Shotgun Red May 06, 2010 04:24PM
didn't misunderstand, nor was I told wrong... both of the tractors I'm talking about happened to belong to family.

If the JD 466, and IH 466 can get to 640 and above, why do you question whether or not a 426 AC can get to 619??
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Re: Shotgun Red May 06, 2010 11:39PM
not questioning that a ac cant get to 616. it is just done with stroke not bore. and if you look at the good supers they are not close to 600cubes . if a ac is over 600 with a bore over 5.00 chances are that it is not a a** kicking pro. the the best ones i can think of is doman's and kenny and shelly briant i dout they are over 5.00 bore. the ac block looses a lot of strength when you bore it out. then you have to have main bolts that hold the head on and the block together. i could be wrong but thats what i have seen over time
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Re: Shotgun Red May 07, 2010 08:58AM
No sir you are wrong, The ih, jd's and the ac used the 4.750 pistons which came in the 531 cu.in not the 619 pistons.
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Re: Shotgun Red May 07, 2010 10:39AM
puller642 is right. thats what i am saying you can get ac over 600 cubes just not with 619 pistons
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