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Small Cube Deere
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LLSS-Questions
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I have been seeing more talk about the llss class and I would like to know what the smallest cubed 6 cylinder Deere was. I would like to be around 315 cubes so that I can run 2 chargers on Diesel. Any help would be great. If it matters it will be bolted to a 3020 rear. |
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I am doing the 329 engine right now. I am going alcohol but definately twin diesel was a close second choice. That motor was used n the 3130 , 4030, and in a combine . 359 was in the industrial loaders. Cross flow head 4.330 stroke . 3.925 " bore and you would be at 315. |
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Registered: 03/31/2008 Posts: 762 |
The Clevite book (and I recall seeing it in an old NAPA catalog too) shows a 303D in the 329/359 family. 3.858 bore x 4.328 stroke |
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Any 4 cylinder Deere block, that would take a 466 bore & stroke? |
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Registered: 09/23/2008 Posts: 632 |
the 303 gas bolts to a 2010 I would like to find a diesel but so far haven't , I don't know what a 3020 would cost but there are a couple of 4010 rear and trans here with a 404 dsl and a 4010 gas torn down. take 2500 the 4010 stuff or take 1500 for the 303 and the 2010 rear and trans, make some one a deal on all the deere stuff. |
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micky
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Any advantage to 329/359 Deere over the Cummins 5.9? Whats it take to make a 3020 rear/trans strong enough for pulling? |
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Here's my pros and cons. I am doing alcohol on the 329 Jd motor. A 4.250 bore puts you at 368 which is perfect in the llss rules. I have lots of 4.250 stuff around from my other tractor so it was perfect for me. I like the cross flow head possibility but the combine head is definately the best one to get looks sweet.
Pros for twin diesel is a liitle less bore would get you 315 easily. Cons are for diesel they had pencil injectors, I can't see why they can't be opened up. They had a small bolt (pin)holding the timing gear which gives trouble. I would imagine the Deere builders out there have already had solutions for both. The flywheel side of the crank would need more bolts added to it. Only 4 bolts and one dowel. I liked the bore and stroke combination and it is a sleeved block. The cummins is a great motor definately easier to build but sometimes being different is fun too. Good luck. If anyone builds one on twins diesel I would love to see it. As far as what it bolts up to ag wise I do not know I am not going that route. |
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Registered: 12/03/2013 Posts: 74 |
Any of the 300 series John Deere engines including 3. 4, and 6 cylinders can be bolted to the small block Waterloo 400 series clutch housing pattern using the 4030 or the right combine adaptor/rear main seal housing. Theses short stroke six cylinder motors 303, 329 and 359/5.9 all have the 4.3 stroke and can really go upstairs on RPM. Bore on the 303 was 3.875, 329 4.02, and 359 4.19. Used to be a tractor out of Canada that was called the Canadian Mist that ran the 329 motor. My concern is the 1/2 size bolts on mains caps but I suspect a good girdle would take care of that. I have a running 359 out of a combine if anybody is interested. DW |
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What's the head like. Is it the one without the 2 cast ports is the side fully open? I would be interested in that. |
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Registered: 12/03/2013 Posts: 74 |
The 300 series cross flow head with the bolt on intake manifold, (That looks like an IH) that has very large individual intake ports is actually a "marine" application head. This same head was used on a 9400 combine 6.8/ liter/414 cubic inch 300 series engine for a short time. Head bolt patterns are all the same and will fit any of the six cylinder 300 series 6 cylinder engines. DW |
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I can get one from a dealer but if you know anyone getting rid of one let me know. |
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micky
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So I take it Deere doesn't have a 4 cylinder motor that can get to 360 ci? Does anyone? With a good head? |
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An idea
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If one were to take a 3010/3020 Diesel engine and install 466 sleeves like they do on the 4010/4020 blocks it would be you up to 310 ci. As far as a good head or crank, I make no guarantees. |
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Registered: 11/21/2008 Posts: 167 |
Is there any info on what Moore Kentucky Sled Hunter is running for a combo. I have only seen videos of this tractor but drool every time I watch them. I believe I heard they run a 359 Dubuque engine with a 4010 chassis??? using spark plugs. If memory serves me right there is also a 8130ish JD also pulling LLSS on the BOB circuit, what is there combo?? |
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Grey area
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Early 4010 gas was 302 CI. Some LLSS rules allow swapping of factory cylinder heads allowing spark
plugs on a diesel shortblock. Could you reverse this and put diesel head on a gas shortblock ? Of course the first upgrade to this setup would be the factory replacement seven main block. |
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